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 Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:02 pm
Rukario_Rue Captain Amaranth Taerinn Since the internet isn't as knowledgeable as I thought, could you share your information about dieselpunk? I've never heard of it... sweatdrop It does to the internal combustion engine what steampunk does to the steam engine. Same sort of 'thing', more advanced technology/later period. Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow could be considered an example. What period? Hard to define - certainly after the Victorian age - but where it ends is not so clear. Some might say it ends with the advent of Jet engines, others with the coming of computers and the Electronic age.
I loved Sky Captain. It was so delightfully campy. Actually inspired a character for I fanfic that I'm perpetually meaning to write. Jude Law. heart Angelina Jolie has the worst British accent, but who cares??
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:19 pm
I think there is a significant overlap between the two genres...
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:18 pm
I'd like to point out that Dieselpunk and Nukepunk go hand-in-hand much in the same way that Clockpunk and Steampunk often go hand-in-hand. Sure, they can all be completely separate, but like Sidnay said, there is significant overlap. With enough pseudo-science and history twisting, you could even have all four in one time period, much like real life, but with all the technological advancements blown out of proportion.
Fallout 3 is the typical example for Nukepunk and Dieselpunk coexisting. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 (and other games in the Red Alert series) is another good example.
Mad Max is mostly Dieselpunk. The story takes place in a largely "post-nuclear" world, however apocalyptic it may be. Gasoline/petroleum is still the primary focus. Dieselpunk, like Steampunk and others, can theoretically be put in almost any alternate time period or fictional universe. You could have neo-Victorian Dieselpunk quite easily. It's most comfortable between 1890 and 1990, however.
There's nothing to say you can't take Dieselpunk's aesthetics (and more "punk" attitude) and slap it on Steampunk style machines. It would just be a darker, grittier, more post-apocalyptic Steampunk.... And post-apocalyptic Steampunk seems to be rather rare, as Steampunk is usually set during what seems like the peak of civilization.
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:09 pm
Kurisu of the Hellfire And would Crimson Skies happen to fit in there too? Crimson Skies is always my first referance for Dieselpunk. I always imagine the Dieselpunk dystopia to be a world of American flyboys vs Russian communists.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:59 pm
I usually keep the nuke outta my dieselpunk, keeping it closer to steampunk instead. Still, I like a touch of chaos and grim feel to my punk, so I add some to it. Besides, I only like dieselpunk cause of it's visual style. I still consider it steampunk.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:29 pm
Diesel punk tends to veer into what We call Dystopian steampunk.
Whatever would happen after an apocolyptic war, diesel...meaning....well, diesel fueled technology.
zepplins I believe were popular in dieselpunk.
uhhh....yeahhhhh.....that's about all I know.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:58 pm
Silk Stiletto Diesel punk tends to veer into what We call Dystopian steampunk. Whatever would happen after an apocolyptic war, diesel...meaning....well, diesel fueled technology. zepplins I believe were popular in dieselpunk. uhhh....yeahhhhh.....that's about all I know. Um, no... Dystopian steampunk is just that -- Dystopian Steampunk. Same steampunk technology and aesthetics, but in a more grimdark setting with dictators, world war, oppression, scarcity of resources, etc. For example, you could say that in the USA, steam technology rapidly advanced and the Civil War got out of hand, leading to an early WWI (in the late 1800's rather than the early 1900's). That could easily lay the ground for dystopian steampunk, with no mention of diesel. Dieselpunk is not necessarily dystopian, though most examples of dieselpunk are dystopian just because the two go so well together. Diesel is just a sort of heavy oil (not quite refined to the point of being gasoline/petrol) used in a Diesel engine, which was invented in 1897 by Dr. Rudolph Diesel, 6 years after Nikola Tesla invented his Tesla Coil. Diesel itself has nothing to do with war, but as far as I know it is significantly more efficient than gasoline AND it's safer since it's not as flammable. And in a post-apocalyptic world, when fossil fuels (and thus regular "petrodiesel") have long run out, it wouldn't be that farfetched to run everything off of biodiesel... assuming this postapocalyptic world still has the capacity to grow crops with some comfortable excess. We'd be talking Mad Max post-apocalypse, not Tank Girl or Soylent Green post-apocalypse. Cyberpunk is typically dystopian, too, but I don't think I've ever seen cyberpunk without the dystopia element. Otherwise, it's just futuristic sci-fi, I suppose. Maybe if you take the dystopia out of cyberpunk, you get things like Cowboy Bebop or Ghost in the Shell.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:22 pm
I didn't say it WAS dystopian steampunk, I said it tends to veer into.
Sorry if you misunderstood, You shouldn't be so defensive about other people's mistake or opinions...You'll come off as condescending :[
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:36 pm
That's Xeigrich's fer ye.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:58 pm
Silk Stiletto I didn't say it WAS dystopian steampunk, I said it tends to veer into. Sorry if you misunderstood, You shouldn't be so defensive about other people's mistake or opinions...You'll come off as condescending :[ No, I didn't misunderstand, I read your post over several times before responding. Yours is the defensive post, taking defense against my contradiction against your statement. But that's how debate and argument (proper argument, not nagging back and forth) are supposed to work. I was just pointing out that dieselpunk is still a completely separate thing from steampunk. It's either dystopian steampunk OR it's dystopian dieselpunk. One doesn't "veer" into another. If anything, they go parallel. Of course, you could have both at the same time... A dystopian steampunk/dieselpunk world with instances of both present in the same world. But dieselpunk and steampunk as genres and as concepts of anachronistically advanced technology are still separate. Also, I know I come off condescending. I honestly don't intend to, though, but that's what the disclaimer in my signature is for. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:39 pm
>< I feel like a damn fool, I just read my post over again >_>
what i meant is that from what I've seen. the fashion((clothing styles)) of diesel punk are similar to the dystopian steampunk...but maybe it's just that it was dystopian dieselpunk and that's why they look almost identical? D:
>< *flail*
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:55 pm
Silk Stiletto >< I feel like a damn fool, I just read my post over again >_> what i meant is that from what I've seen. the fashion((clothing styles)) of diesel punk are similar to the dystopian steampunk...but maybe it's just that it was dystopian dieselpunk and that's why they look almost identical? D: >< *flail* From what I've seen personally, pretty much anything that is outright dystopian has the same general base for aesthetics -- it's almost a cliche or stereotype. Everything is dark and dirty, lots of leather and denim or all-out synthetic clothing; nothing frilly or too delicate, except for possibly the super wealthy and powerful who are "above" suffering and starvation. Also people wearing makeshift armor as part of their daily wardrobe since they never know when disaster may strike again. There are definitely other types of dystopian settings, though, like the pristine, blinding (literally) white buildings and simple clothing in Mirror's Edge (a video game). This sort of thing seems to happen most with the dystopias that are disguised as utopias, as in Mirror's Edge, or even Logan's Run (the film). But still, a dystopia is a dystopia, regardless of setting and fashion. I guess it's just hard to create a convincing dystopia when everyone's wearing sundresses and cargo shorts, running around with surfboards and sunglasses or something so we stick with the tried-and-true stuff. xp
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:22 pm
Xeigrich Silk Stiletto >< I feel like a damn fool, I just read my post over again >_> what i meant is that from what I've seen. the fashion((clothing styles)) of diesel punk are similar to the dystopian steampunk...but maybe it's just that it was dystopian dieselpunk and that's why they look almost identical? D: >< *flail* From what I've seen personally, pretty much anything that is outright dystopian has the same general base for aesthetics -- it's almost a cliche or stereotype. Everything is dark and dirty, lots of leather and denim or all-out synthetic clothing; nothing frilly or too delicate, except for possibly the super wealthy and powerful who are "above" suffering and starvation. Also people wearing makeshift armor as part of their daily wardrobe since they never know when disaster may strike again. There are definitely other types of dystopian settings, though, like the pristine, blinding (literally) white buildings and simple clothing in Mirror's Edge (a video game). This sort of thing seems to happen most with the dystopias that are disguised as utopias, as in Mirror's Edge, or even Logan's Run (the film). But still, a dystopia is a dystopia, regardless of setting and fashion. I guess it's just hard to create a convincing dystopia when everyone's wearing sundresses and cargo shorts, running around with surfboards and sunglasses or something so we stick with the tried-and-true stuff. xp I think there's a point to examine here that's not quite related to the general thread but none the less important; the cliche's of the steam(or what have you)-punk genre. Though I'd be willing to argue that Ergo Proxy presents a near dystopia with summer-dresses and khaki's. Just because no one in the society SEES the oppression doesn't make it less valid.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:30 am
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:54 pm
Clinton-kun http://www.dieselpunks.org/ Found this link posted at Brass Goggles. Looks to be a wonderful site for all things dieselpunk! Great link, but I can't find where to turn off the damn music! I wouldn't mind, normally, but I already have music of my own playing, and it's bothersome.
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