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Hai - Last I checked with Mei, I was told Niji was "too soft" to be leaving the herd. I can't state exactly what Niji's character traits are, but if the group RP was anything to go by, I think I know what Mei means. <3

Lynx - Fascinating. -KIVs- I think in Aerithe's main thread elfy and I were wondering when Temper was going to "come out" to his parents. If I'm not wrong elfy said "definitely" to Temper x Enfys RP at least, and I was on the fence because I wasn't sure if I wanted Iris to know about Enfys' eating habits the whole time, waiting for him to tell her... or if Iris was generally oblivious to everything. If it's the latter, then it would be shock and double-shock for her. xD

elfy - Ok, understood. So we have Leaders and their Heirs... I take it you'll go with my idea that Leaders will stay Leaders until they find the council meeting too strenuous to get to, then their Heir will take over?

So... all for claiming Crescent Mountain Range? We're having a lot of ideas thrown around for how the Nomads herds plan to treat their kingdom join territory, so I take it there's interest and we can slowly work this out.

I might pay Fel to do an in-depth map for us, a sort of "close-up". Then label which valley is for what, where councils meet, winter hideout, foal nursery, sacred place for expectant mothers etcetcetc.

Crescent Mountain Range: Yes. Aye. You get the gist, ja? ^^;

Heirs: Yes, the heirs are the ones who inherit the leadership position and the lands. At the very least, the heirs will start steadily gaining power when the old leader can't make the council anymore. ^^;

Lynx: Yeah, I definitely want to do an RP with all of those in the family of any predatory variety: Temper, Enfys, and Kesh. They should discuss their views on being a Pryrin and stuff like that. ^^;

Hai: Whatever Rikki wants to do is totally cool with Enfys, as long as Rikki doesn't wreak havoc or become a kirkani. ^^;

OK, the big bit for everyone. Ever since I worked out Enfys' heritage as the son of one of the latest (now dead) herds of kirkani, I've been batting around the idea of making Enfys schizo, and for sometime over this summer to have his schizo nature come out. The main personality we all know and love will at the end of this plot will stay the main personality. The repressed personality that we'll see this summer (if there's sufficient consent) that will afterwards periodically pop up but never succeed in hurting anyone (unless someone really wants it) is the insane kirkani who remembers the taste of kirin flesh as a colt, when his herd had him try kirin flesh. The insane kirkani is pretty homicidal, just as a warning, and even though the insane kirkani will probably natter on endlessly on how he hates the Goddess and loves his own blood, there's a chance that in this phase of madness this summer, he'll try to attack his current family, or even try to hunt the Goddess. Ivory and I are working on a way to help keep Enfys from hurting everyone (namely the custom she's trying to get at the moment, with whom I'll be probably the only one RPing).

How does everyone feel about this schizo Enfys plot? I'd like to hear from Kes and Llia at the very least, and hearing from Akima and Zak on this matter would be good, too, since they're joining the herd with Chi and Wystan, and they'll also be considered close enough to be at risk. Hai, kit, Lynx, everyone else, you can also weigh in on this idea, but I'd definitely like to hear from those whose kirin would be most "in the danger zone" if/when Enfys proves to be schizo and the dark side comes out. ^^; Everyone has full right to say no to the plot, I just somehow feel it would be...interesting.... >>;

You can count Iris out of the action. .-. She will probably flee the minute she no longer recognises Enfys, and during flight, find her Benu (in the mountain range?).

Then again, she is lifemated.

I'm finding it a little awkward to figure what exactly she'll do, so take my answer as a tentative "no".

First post in this thread~ I have been following the conversation, however, for those wondering. :d

I also have to mention that while I agree with the Crescent Mountain Range as the territory, I just want everyone to know that those mountains are Tuyet's homeland. Namely, the base of the mountain to about midway up being the roaming range of his family when he was young (only a small part of the mountains, mind you. Could be a completely different place).
That doesn't really affect anything. It's just a bit of info one might like to know. And another reason why Tuyet would probably support that area as a 'base.'

On the subject of the plot, I'm chosing to take a mostly neutral-nay spot on it. I have nothing against the idea, I do think it could be rather interesting, although I'm not sure how affected Tuyet would be or how important he would be to the entire thing. However, Iris's position also concerns me.

OK, it sounds like there's a leaning towards "yes" with some objections. Just as a note for everyone:

When Enfys can no longer control the other side of him, he'd absent himself from the herd. During the time he's away from everyone else, he'd be working on finding a way to deal with the kirkani side of his nature and finding a way to permanently bring the kirkani inside under control. I plan to have him return as sane as ever at the end of the summer.

It has been suggested I look into bringing Draven into the plot instead of Ivory's custom, for reasons I will not elaborate on here. I will say this: if Draven can deal with Enfys according to a certain criteria I've got, at least as well as Ivory's custom, I'm willing to strongly entertain the notion of bringing Draven into the plot instead, with Kes' permission. If, however, Draven does not fit the bill, then I will not ask. There is a chance I won't strongly involve anyone in this plot, maybe the occasional very dangerous encounter with another kirin, and anyone who's helping Enfys deal with the kirkani inside will not be dealing with anyone else in Enfys' herd, under any circumstances. Anything that happens while Enfys is away from the herd will have no effect on the herd.

I tend to play my RPs by ear, so I haven't planned this in depth, but as far as I've worked anything out, the series of events will go something like this: Enfys has a series of nightmares with his other self; Enfys starts slowly distancing himself from everyone, to make sure he doesn't hurt them if he loses control; he *does* lose control once, in front of at least one family member; Enfys leaves as soon as he regains sanity; Enfys returns at the end of the summer, sane and in control again, antsy to see his loved ones again, especially Iris.

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As for Draven...I scoured the guild this morning. I have seen nothing about Draven, except for his appearance, and since I'm making this decision purely on personality and back story and whether they would be able to deal with a kirin who's only a half-step away from Trigs, I cannot presently consider Draven for this position. If Kes can vouch for this and is willing, we'll talk, but if not.... *Shrugs* For all I know, by the time Kes gets Draven or Ivory gets her custom the whole plot may be over, or it may turn out that I need neither of them. At this stage, it's all up in the air, and I stress very strongly that I play things by ear, so I do not know in advance what's going to happen with this plot. We shall see what we shall see.

Discussion of what happens to Enfys outside of the herd this summer is CLOSED. I mainly wanted to get soundings on the immediate effects to the herd, and while I luff everyone for their concern for the shop (which shows just how much you guys love this place) and interest (which shows just how much you guys care about the herd and RP), we're getting away from the point of the plot and why I even brought it up in the first place: I'd like to further develop Enfys and the herd, to find a way for those close to Enfys to find out the truth and come to terms with it (as a group or on your own, it's all up to you guys).

I will say this: as Enfys will be away from the herd this summer while his plot plays itself out, it sounds like Llia is back on board, she'd just like to keep the death rate down. Probably a lot of luff and support from everyone else while this is happening would be nice for Iris, since this has the potential to hurt her a lot. I'm not entirely sure; I'll check again this evening, when Llia's more awake. ^^; Most of my concern is for those closest to Enfys, who will end up most in the line of fire. Abhy's little herd and Tuyet will probably *not* be really affected, I wanted to be fair and at least give a heads' up to everyone. ^^;

If anyone wants to catch me to chat, my AIM username is litetreegvr89. I'm not usually on, unless it's urgent, and I most definitely won't be on much this summer. ^^; Travels + 5 weeks of summer school (full term's course load in five weeks) = very, very busy elfy. sweatdrop

Oh, and I didn't have time to say this before, but I'll say it now: sorry for the text wall. ^^; I wanted to cover all the bases, close the subject from open discussion, and try to allay as many fears as possible in one go, rather than drag this discussion out. ^^;

EDIT: OK, talking to Kes now (5pm PST) about Draven and the plot, and we've reached a decision. Draven will *not* be in this plot. Draven will be recovering from bad experiences with humans, and he's going to be very paranoid for a while. Being around an insane, schizo stally who's going to, more often than not, be the kirkani who really does want to cause poor Draven harm isn't right for this plot, or for poor Draven. Kes is flattered you guys suggested Dra, sorry he doesn't fit, but we both feel this is for the best. Dra's going to need someone gentle and sympathetic, someone who won't scare the living daylights out of him on a regular basis. If other suggestions are going to be made, here's the criteria for what I'm going to be looking for here, and why Ivory's custom so far fits the bill quite neatly:

Must be calm, open, sympathetic, and friendly.
Must not freak out when the kirkani takes over (which will be at least 75% of the time).
Must be capable of dealing with the kirkani side of Enfys.
Must be able and willing to give a great deal of support to Enfys, even to help him gain control over the kirkani inside, no matter how hard or painful it gets, because believe me, Enfys will not be an easy customer.
Should preferably not be scared of kirkani.
Must be considered so trustworthy in the eyes of a sane, terrified, self-hating Enfys that Enfys would go through the very worst of fires and horrors for this stallion.

If you guys have any stallies, custom or otherwise, who would fit this bill, please, do fling them at me via PM or AIM. If not, please, drop the subject of replacing Ivory's custom. I know you guys are upset, and I know it means you guys care a great deal for the shop and the world around you, but I also know that I would probably spend so long looking for a replacement that might not exist anywhere else in this shop that it would detract attention and time from the plot, guys. ><

Couple of random notes:

Rikki isn't purely Pryrin or Sylrin, he's pretty much smack dab in the middle. He's just fine eating plants, but he does have cravings for meat... something he's mostly ignored up to this point, thinking it was simply curiosity due to Kesh and Temper's diets. If anyone was up for it I'd like to have a brief and perhaps somewhat humorous interlude where Rikki sneaks off "by himself" to try and catch a rabbit, trips over his own hooves, and promptly gets chuckled at by whatever herd member followed him out. XD Preferably one of the carnivorous brothers, but anyone would do, really... I was originally thinking Enfys but if this bit occured during Enfys' plot that wouldn't be feasible... and perhaps might also explan why Rikki decides to try and keep it on the down low once he can't bring himself to ignore it any longer. He wouldn't be so sure that displaying his carnivorous tendencies after all this time would be a good idea.

Also if he figured out they were anywhere near Tuyet's old home range he'd probably try to go find Tuyet's family, but as I get the impression that this is something based purely in Sae's backstory for him I don't think that would work out. >.>;

Enfys plot:

It sounds like it would be an uncomfortable thing for the characters, but it could be a good developement move, and in the end it might bring some closure to everything in that Enfys won't have to hide his past from the herd anymore, and they could actually be there to support him after the fact.

I would be interested in having Rikki be one of those around when Enfys snaps... it seems like a good plot point to lead into the vague ideas I have for him at this point. One of the things that really convinces him to start ranging out from the herd more and such. If there might be a way to accomplish that, anyway. XD;