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 Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:37 am
Kurama being able to revert to his original form is fanon not canon.
His human form can turn in to the appearance of his demon form by the end of the manga but it's still the same body.
How human or demon it is isn't really explained. Everyone recognises him as a demon so I'd probably say it's at least partially demonic but how that will affect his aging is anyone's question.
Personally while I love the anime I much prefer the manga ending as without the revelations about Enma and the taking down the barrier the anime ending doesn't really make as much sense.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:23 am
Kurama's always been a mystery to me...I mean, he says that he took refuge in a human body until he was strong enough to leave and, I assume, resume the life of a demon, but he decided to stay when his mother saved him...but had he not stayed, what would he have done? A human body is not nearly as efficient as a demon body in the demon world...x.x
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:32 am
Ayana Maisha Kurama's always been a mystery to me...I mean, he says that he took refuge in a human body until he was strong enough to leave and, I assume, resume the life of a demon, but he decided to stay when his mother saved him...but had he not stayed, what would he have done? A human body is not nearly as efficient as a demon body in the demon world...x.x It's implied he'd have just taken off in his current body and just have disappeared one day leaving his human family wondering about where he went. Sure his new body isn't as strong as his old body but he would have most likely resumed his old life just going after smaller treasures until he was stronger.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:27 pm
Watching the subtitles, Kurama is referred to as having reiki (human energy) for most of the time, but when he's the youko, he's referred to as having youki (demon energy). I'm not sure what that means in terms of his body, but it's possible he's got limited access to both, kind of the way Yuusuke does now.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:50 am
As far as I can recall Yuusuke being a YinYang bomb was something the anime added.
He never mixed spiritual energies in the manga. After Chapter black he just used demonic energy.
Similar to how Kurama never had that whole fight where he refused to return to his demon form and won by waking up a tree. (the fight wasn't shown in the Manga at all)
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:24 pm
Wow guys. Party hardy without me eh? lol ; D
Ummm....as for the Kurama case, the whole running off in his human body cleared up a few things and the subtitles did too.
So we know that he can't ever TRULY revert back to Yoko. At some point, he might be able to steal a fellow demon body like he stole the human body, which could make sense.
As for the transformation, it might be something like in Naruto (sorry for bringing the show up). Naruto, the main, has the demonic Kyuubi, or Nine-Tailed Fox, sealed inside him. Naruto gets mad. He loosens the chains of the seal and the Nine-Tailed Fox feeds him energy. Now we could use this with Kurama.
Kurama needs stronger energy, more than his feeble little human body can provide (assuming here that he had the knowledge to release the bonds that once held back his Spirit Energy and this is what he is emitting as Shuuichi) so Kurama says "Hey, I have a demon soul in me. I'll just loosen a few ties and it'll feed me IT'S energy." (Referring back to Dr. Ichigaki in the Dark Tournament who said humans hold back most of their Spirit Energy and assuming demons do not have this same problem) Yoko says "Lol, Okay my good man. Here ya go. Spend it wisely."
Because bonds were loosened, the Yoko appearance is brought out if we think of souls as having each their own unique identity. The reason why this unique identity didn't grow up with Shuuichi is because Yoko's power was practically gone, so the human DNA overpowered the soul.
Kay. Craptastic theory I came up with. Hopefully, this gets us somewhere. o_o;
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:04 pm
Lol hmmm...your theory actually makes a good amount of sense. So, going by what you said, it can be safe to assume that Kurama will either A) Die like a normal human or B) Take over another demon body when his human time is up.
I wonder what hh would choose...?
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:23 pm
Depends on the situation. This could actually set writers off on a fan fiction. If he found a demon and grew affectionate towards him (Hiei) obviously he'd want to be with them, but right now his priority is with his mother. But Kurama's character is hard to put your thumb on. He might surprise us.
P.S. Don't you think Kurama would look amazing in a cowboy hat? XDDD
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:43 pm
Hmmm...knowing Kurama, he'd probably surprise us. whee
Oh my goodness....YES! And Yusuke would look pretty darn good too heart hehe
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:37 am
Er, I wouldn't think him body-hopping again would be all that good of an option. Each baby born would have a designated soul (and any given adult would obviously have one already), and even if we assume that there's no energy- or spiritually-related problems that yet another merger would cause for the functioning of HIS soul, I'd think Koenma and the Reikai in general would take exception to it. They kind of know what to look for now, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say they'd have some method of preventing it when forewarned.
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:06 am
Your theory might hold up against the Anime version of Canon but things aren't as clear cut in the manga.
Frankly I think this is one area where just like with Yuusuke and his aging there is never going to be a clear cut answer cause the manga didn't go into enough details about what his awaked demon blood actually did to him.
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:27 am
Well, I haven't read the entire manga yet, sooo yeah. Sorry if my theories don't hold up in manga YYH. ^^;
And I don't know borderline_mary, I could see Koenma letting him pass. I mean, he kind of owes him for all the Spirit Detective stuff, and Kurama never gave him trouble, handing over the Forlorn Hope peacefully and never offended or exerted hostility towards Koenma or Spirit World. (Once again, going by anime.) So I think Koenma might back him on this. Plus, if we assume that the human life experienced will still have affects on his personality and soul and he won't be the previous, cold-hearted Yoko, he could actually benefit Spirit World by helping maintain order in Demon World. My theory. : D
Hmmm...I don't think a cowboy hat would fit on Hiei's head. Unless we like, stuffed it down like...REALLY hard...o_o;
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:53 am
havishanta Well, I haven't read the entire manga yet, sooo yeah. Sorry if my theories don't hold up in manga YYH. ^^; And I don't know borderline_mary, I could see Koenma letting him pass. I mean, he kind of owes him for all the Spirit Detective stuff, and Kurama never gave him trouble, handing over the Forlorn Hope peacefully and never offended or exerted hostility towards Koenma or Spirit World. (Once again, going by anime.) So I think Koenma might back him on this. Plus, if we assume that the human life experienced will still have affects on his personality and soul and he won't be the previous, cold-hearted Yoko, he could actually benefit Spirit World by helping maintain order in Demon World. My theory. : D Hmmm...I don't think a cowboy hat would fit on Hiei's head. Unless we like, stuffed it down like...REALLY hard...o_o; I see where you're coming from, but Kurama did the Reikai Tantei stuff partially as parole, so Koenma doesn't technically owe him for it. Also, cooperating with the law and not causing trouble isn't a favor, it's supposed to be a given. I'd think that just having the clean slate and freedom that he does late in the anime is the Reikai's reward for his service and good behavior . . . and there's still the thing about merging with another soul. I mean, the other soul doesn't get a say in it, and wouldn't that violate some kind of rule? Even Koenma should hesitate before he allows Kurama to essentially incorporate an unwilling soul into his own for the second time, just so he can have its body to perpetuate an already longer-than-should-have-been-allowed lifespan. This could just be me, but the morals of that don't really sit right, and it also screws pretty hard with the proper process for life/death/reincarnation. And consider that merging with yet another soul might have more drastic and perhaps negative effects on Kurama. Think FMA (the anime, at least) if you've seen it, and what was happening to Dante and Hohenheim. It probably wouldn't be the same thing exactly, but who knows what could happen if he were to add another piece to the merger?
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:29 am
There's also no proof that Kurama ever actually merged with another soul in the Manga as far as I can recall.
The anime added a whole lot more to the situation.
Kurama's last fight wasn't even shown in the manga.
Where as in the Anime they turned it into this whole soul searching moment for him where he decided to live as a human.
I love the anime but I'd have liked it a whole lot more if it had kept the Manga ending.
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:47 am
Hmmm...In can see where you stand from borderline_mary. And the fact that they didn't have the battle in the manga might affect some things...
Yes, I have seen FMA and I could see the issues regarding Dante and applying it to Kurama, as well as the whole soul's affect on Kurama and if it's right and such. The way I saw it was that there was no human soul to begin with really, that it was just him in a human form and the experiences that affected him...but maybe your right. Body-hopping would probably set up issues with Spirit World at some point in time.
I wonder why Spirit World has not tried to catch Yusuke...
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