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 Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:09 pm
Benjamin Bradt Clockpunk is essentially the same as SteamPunk, I think, although most people affirm a much greater degree of tech to damn near everything. Ah...I'd not heard the work before coming into this guild~
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:03 am
Benjamin Bradt Clockpunk is essentially the same as SteamPunk, I think, although most people affirm a much greater degree of tech to damn near everything. Oh, oh, oh! May I be a smart buttocks? xp Actually, the big difference is just that there's no (or at least less) steam in Clockpunk - so, most things are clockwork based, there's lots and lots of cogs and springs, and of course everything has those... wind-up handles... or whatever it's called in English... sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:18 am
As I've stated elsewhere, clockpunk tends more toward the powdered wig/tricorne hat era than the Victorian/Edwardian. Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle is a fair example of clockpunk.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:42 am
No Such Machine As I've stated elsewhere, clockpunk tends more toward the powdered wig/tricorne hat era than the Victorian/Edwardian. Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle is a fair example of clockpunk. I find it nearly impossible to add specific eras between the various 'punks', because, as I have stated, they are all essentially a sense of ethics one applies to an era of his choosing. There is no defined barrier between them. Literature presents its own uninverse to us, and as the writer, you can do whatever you want with it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:00 am
Sidnay No Such Machine As I've stated elsewhere, clockpunk tends more toward the powdered wig/tricorne hat era than the Victorian/Edwardian. Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle is a fair example of clockpunk. I find it nearly impossible to add specific eras between the various 'punks', because, as I have stated, they are all essentially a sense of ethics one applies to an era of his choosing. There is no defined barrier between them. Literature presents its own uninverse to us, and as the writer, you can do whatever you want with it. I do not disagree. Creative works should be unhindered, beholden only to those limits imposed by the artist. Genres are useful only to the extent that we do not become slavish to them. That being said... Steampunk generally has a distinctly 1800s feel, and I by-the-old-gods defy any of you to argue with me about that. Clockpunk, in my experience, posits that same world a century or three earlier; steam engines are not in widespread use and the industrial revolution is yet to come, but clockwork technology has been developing since the renaissance. There are plenty of shiny gears, just not so many smokestacks. And the style of dress is waaaay more ruffly. I think flintlock laser-rifles dovetail nicely with that. After all, Messrs Smith and Wesson have probably developed breech-loading laser-rifles by 1860 or so wink .
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:48 am
No Such Machine Sidnay No Such Machine As I've stated elsewhere, clockpunk tends more toward the powdered wig/tricorne hat era than the Victorian/Edwardian. Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle is a fair example of clockpunk. I find it nearly impossible to add specific eras between the various 'punks', because, as I have stated, they are all essentially a sense of ethics one applies to an era of his choosing. There is no defined barrier between them. Literature presents its own uninverse to us, and as the writer, you can do whatever you want with it. I do not disagree. Creative works should be unhindered, beholden only to those limits imposed by the artist. Genres are useful only to the extent that we do not become slavish to them. That being said... Steampunk generally has a distinctly 1800s feel, and I by-the-old-gods defy any of you to argue with me about that. Clockpunk, in my experience, posits that same world a century or three earlier; steam engines are not in widespread use and the industrial revolution is yet to come, but clockwork technology has been developing since the renaissance. There are plenty of shiny gears, just not so many smokestacks. And the style of dress is waaaay more ruffly. I think flintlock laser-rifles dovetail nicely with that. After all, Messrs Smith and Wesson have probably developed breech-loading laser-rifles by 1860 or so wink . We do not disagree, but I want to raise a question. I take as my example, Theodore Judsons work 'Fitzpatricks War', a book I strongly recommend. I think I would not be betraying too much, if I were to say that the story is essentially the story of Alexander the Great. The flavor is, however, as you say, a facimile of Victorian society. However, the question this raises is whether this is the story of Old Macedon applied to Steampunk or, as I maintain, Steampunk applied to Old Macedon. Nobody would contend that there are differences between the aesthetics of the various 'punks', but one can apply these aesthetics to whatever era one wishes.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:55 am
No Such Machine Steampunk generally has a distinctly 1800s feel, and I by-the-old-gods defy any of you to argue with me about that. Clockpunk, in my experience, posits that same world a century or three earlier; steam engines are not in widespread use and the industrial revolution is yet to come, but clockwork technology has been developing since the renaissance. There are plenty of shiny gears, just not so many smokestacks. And the style of dress is waaaay more ruffly. Hm, but most of my experiences with Clockpunk are completely Victorian (or Weird West) based - actually, the first time I heard about Clockpunk was on a Victorian Island in Second Life, in a shop that was specializing on clockwork gimmicks (ah, sweet memories, so many beautiful *punk places to explore...). Most of the Clockpunk stories and images I know are actually less... sooty variations on Victorian Steampunk - ornate, filigree gadgets for those Ladies and Gentlemen who wouldn't want their clothing stained... xp That's just my experience, though - and it's rather interesting that you've made completely opposite ones. (I guess that's just another reason the *punk genres are so alluring - there's just so much diversity!)
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:21 pm
Just take a look at the TV series and movie Wild Wild West and you got your answer.
I mean, the movie has a giant steam powered mecha tarantula.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:46 pm
Gearfish Is there a name/genre for the steampunk equivalent of the American Revolution? I only bring it up because I've been drawing American rebels running about with laser muskets. I'm not sure about a particularly steampunk equivalent, but there is speculative fiction, which I think "alternate history" falls into. I shelved quite a few books with lasers and historical wars in the SciFi section of the bookstore I worked. I'm not sure if that helps.
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