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deadp00l7217

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:02 pm


Tirion
Leviticus can shove it
Thomas Neo Anderson
Indeed, this is not a popularity contest.

I am.


You are a popularity contest? ._o


... Oh the urge to make a completely crude sexual joke right now...
Before you say anything I would like to congratulate you on that. Nice job. Oh the fun of being a guy sometimes. xd

Anyway, I'll be back in a few.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:03 pm


ButterBalls
To be truly honest I don't really know how to answer your post without sounding like another leader that's trying to evade questions or not tell the truth or be a politician (haha-clever).

Well, this is exactly what you did, Brian. And I don't mean to be a pain in the a**, but I am going to pick your post apart. Sorry. sweatdrop

ButterBalls
This is mostly Soleq's knowledge though and he knows a lot more about what's going on with this than me. He's the writer of it all and he came to me with everything. I like the idea mainly because, as I said in the Guild News, that it was so other people in the guild can directly make decision or be apart of the decision making process, so it's not a dictatorship. I mean, if there really wasn't a Guild Crew it would just be Soleq and I making the decisions privately, in PM or not even on Gaia.

In short, more people will be helping to make decisions rather than just us two.

Well, maybe it's for the better if all the decisions are made outside of this guild, like on MSN? I believe Kupi-chan's crew meetings were all over MSN, well assuming she had crew meetings. I think she did, they were mentioned in the guild at one point.

ButterBalls
I have to agree with you that it's a popularity contest but if you vote you might get what you want. As far as me voting, I don't really think I voted on popularity although I'm not going to say I didn't because I might have. I looked at all the applications and based my opinion on who I thought would have been the best suited for each seat.

The popularity thing is unavoidable. I can't blame you for that.

ButterBalls
That does poes a problem though. However, I can assure you (well maybe I can't) that we're trying to make it as fair as possible. Just give us time to set everything up and get things going.

I really don't mean to be a complete b***h/a*****e/cynic/etc, but this guild has been around since May of this year. One would assume you would have things "going" by now, or at least know what you're trying to do. Alot of what's said makes it sound like the guild was started just yesterday... neutral

ButterBalls
I think it's a good idea to have a crew sub-forum because it can be more organized. We can easily lay out the rules, guidelines, jobs, elections, announcements, times, and things like that. We can easily debate issues too. Again, that might not satisfy what you're looking for but we're trying to make it as fair as possible. We're also going to come out with announcements on everything. Again, there are still being kinks and some things aren't for certain.

I never said I didn't like the idea of a crew subforum! I just don't like that I can't read what's said there. It bothers me... I guess this could be my personal paranoia or just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate not knowing what is going on.
Oh, and if I had donated to the guild to help buy that sub-forum, I would be mighty pissed off if I'd paid for a sub-forum that I couldn't even read.


xLaurelX
Now, the appointing the other three people was kind of unannouced.... and well... how long are they going to be on there? Untill January or later? That part didn't make a ton of sense... I really shouldn't complain though.

I'd just like to point out that nothing was said in responce to this part of my post.


Again, I'm really sorry for picking apart your post like that, and I'm sorry that I was so mean. /=

xLaurelX
Vice Captain


xLaurelX
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:05 pm


Leviticus can shove it
Chalda
Umm... what now? Maybe I just got here at a bad time. And I'm not sure I'm up for any debating or hurt feelings at the moment so I'm just going to back away slowly...
:3 Smart woman.

I second that.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:08 pm


xLaurelX


Oh, and if I had donated to the guild to help buy that sub-forum, I would be mighty pissed off if I'd paid for a sub-forum that I couldn't even read.


Does it really matter where your donation is going if it benefits the majority anyway?

I personally don't care.

Great post, though.

Thomas Neo Anderson


Leviticus can shove it

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:08 pm


xLaurelX
Well, maybe it's for the better if all the decisions are made outside of this guild, like on MSN? I believe Kupi-chan's crew meetings were all over MSN, well assuming she had crew meetings. I think she did, they were mentioned in the guild at one point.

We had a few while I was crew. I remember one about Danielle, I think.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:10 pm


Thomas Neo Anderson
xLaurelX


Oh, and if I had donated to the guild to help buy that sub-forum, I would be mighty pissed off if I'd paid for a sub-forum that I couldn't even read.


Does it really matter where your donation is going if it benefits the majority anyway?

I personally don't care.

Great post, though.

Well, I'm a selfish b***h. mad
If I pay, I wanna at least read it.
Oh, and the only reason I didn't pay is because I'm questing.
and Thank-you!. 4laugh

xLaurelX
Vice Captain


xLaurelX
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:13 pm


Bah, I'm gonna go pull up Gaia slots and do a few other things... I'll be back in like a half hour at the most.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:13 pm


xLaurelX
Bah, I'm gonna go pull up Gaia slots and do a few other things... I'll be back in like a half hour at the most.
What room'll you be in? I was just gonna b***h at you to get on yahoo, but I can help my quest and talk to you at the same time in slots.

Leviticus can shove it


xLaurelX
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:27 pm


Leviticus can shove it
xLaurelX
Bah, I'm gonna go pull up Gaia slots and do a few other things... I'll be back in like a half hour at the most.
What room'll you be in? I was just gonna b***h at you to get on yahoo, but I can help my quest and talk to you at the same time in slots.

It's called "All your wings are belong to us" but it's generally packed full of people. If you wait a few minutes a space should open up. xp
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:29 pm


xLaurelX
ButterBalls
To be truly honest I don't really know how to answer your post without sounding like another leader that's trying to evade questions or not tell the truth or be a politician (haha-clever).

Well, this is exactly what you did, Brian. And I don't mean to be a pain in the a**, but I am going to pick your post apart. Sorry. sweatdrop

ButterBalls
This is mostly Soleq's knowledge though and he knows a lot more about what's going on with this than me. He's the writer of it all and he came to me with everything. I like the idea mainly because, as I said in the Guild News, that it was so other people in the guild can directly make decision or be apart of the decision making process, so it's not a dictatorship. I mean, if there really wasn't a Guild Crew it would just be Soleq and I making the decisions privately, in PM or not even on Gaia.

In short, more people will be helping to make decisions rather than just us two.

Well, maybe it's for the better if all the decisions are made outside of this guild, like on MSN? I believe Kupi-chan's crew meetings were all over MSN, well assuming she had crew meetings. I think she did, they were mentioned in the guild at one point.

ButterBalls
I have to agree with you that it's a popularity contest but if you vote you might get what you want. As far as me voting, I don't really think I voted on popularity although I'm not going to say I didn't because I might have. I looked at all the applications and based my opinion on who I thought would have been the best suited for each seat.

The popularity thing is unavoidable. I can't blame you for that.

ButterBalls
That does poes a problem though. However, I can assure you (well maybe I can't) that we're trying to make it as fair as possible. Just give us time to set everything up and get things going.

I really don't mean to be a complete b***h/a*****e/cynic/etc, but this guild has been around since May of this year. One would assume you would have things "going" by now, or at least know what you're trying to do. Alot of what's said makes it sound like the guild was started just yesterday... neutral

ButterBalls
I think it's a good idea to have a crew sub-forum because it can be more organized. We can easily lay out the rules, guidelines, jobs, elections, announcements, times, and things like that. We can easily debate issues too. Again, that might not satisfy what you're looking for but we're trying to make it as fair as possible. We're also going to come out with announcements on everything. Again, there are still being kinks and some things aren't for certain.

I never said I didn't like the idea of a crew subforum! I just don't like that I can't read what's said there. It bothers me... I guess this could be my personal paranoia or just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate not knowing what is going on.
Oh, and if I had donated to the guild to help buy that sub-forum, I would be mighty pissed off if I'd paid for a sub-forum that I couldn't even read.


xLaurelX
Now, the appointing the other three people was kind of unannouced.... and well... how long are they going to be on there? Untill January or later? That part didn't make a ton of sense... I really shouldn't complain though.

I'd just like to point out that nothing was said in responce to this part of my post.


Again, I'm really sorry for picking apart your post like that, and I'm sorry that I was so mean. /=
Yeah, I know, but I just thought I'd throw that out there. I didn't really think I was going to answer your post like that.

As of now we don't know what the form of contact will be but it's kind of sketchy and not very well documented if they're all on MSN. It was definitely an idea and will be taken into consideration. We have to get all the contact information and what would work better for everyone though. Maybe we'll do it on mIRC, or AIM, or Yahoo!, I don't know. I think it's definitely for the best if we're all there in a forum (in general as an area to talk).

It happens. Not really much you can do about. I mean, I guess we can try and make some form of Electoral College but it doesn't seem practical. Even if we size it down to fit the proportion of the guild we'd have to size it down to each elector would have 2 people. Considering that only 10 or so people voted in the recent election. And, it's kind of hard to divide the guild into certain congressional districts (basically divide the guild into certain areas) easily. So, there's really only room for a direct voting (basically on popularity).

Ah, yes, but wait a second. You're right, the guild was made back in May; however, let me give you just a little background to what actually happened. It took about three months for the guild to get up and going. One of the main issues in getting the guild going was an Entry Fee error in which Soleq and I couldn't join the guild because the invitation kept saying that we needed 600k to join the guild. A lot of time was wasted on that because we didn't know how to solve the issue. Once we resolved that we worked on editing and trying to make everything perfect. We mainly worked on the FAQs thread. When this happened, I was jammed with finals, Soleq was very busy with his job, and then my whole arm incident happened. So, yeah. This idea was just presented to me I would say within the week or maybe a span of two weeks. Some of this stuff we're coming up with on a spur the moment thing. We haven't been planning this since May. Soleq presented the idea to me and I liked it a lot because it takes out that whole idea of having a dictatorship.

Oh no, that's all good. I'd want to know what's going on. Again, the issues aren't resolved and Soleq and I are working on it. Soleq and I both agreed that everything would have to be a unanimous vote between both of us for it to be enacted, as far as rules/guidelines/jobs/etc of the Guild Council. So, I can't rightly say what's going to actually happen in the future. It's definitely an issue and if Soleq doesn't know about the issue when we go over it I'll certainly bring it up to him.

Soleq and I both agreed to put all the gold we had in the Life Issues account, which amounts to about 5k I think. So, your money is not being used for the cause of the Guild Council. We actually kind of thought this would be an issue so we took it upon ourselves to pay for it.

I'm not going to officially rule out any possibility of another forum that you won't be able to read, but the odds of it happening are slim to none. More than likely all other forums will be for the public.

Yeah, that's a part I wanted to leave for Soleq because I didn't know much about that part. I was going to suggest to Soleq how long they would actually be in, but I don't know. Soleq and I will discuss it.

It's cool. You're just doing your job as a member.

deadp00l7217


xLaurelX
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:37 pm


Too much politics.

Is it possible to have the council forum visible to everyone, but only crew can post there?

There we go, I'll be direct and to the point. That's what I'd like.
*sigh* I'm done arguing. I probably just look like a sore loser...
I hope Soleq gets on soon. I'd like to finish up this argument.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:44 pm


xLaurelX
Too much politics.

Is it possible to have the council forum visible to everyone, but only crew can post there?

There we go, I'll be direct and to the point. That's what I'd like.
*sigh* I'm done arguing. I probably just look like a sore loser...
I hope Soleq gets on soon. I'd like to finish up this argument.
Haha, that's exactly what I was thinking. No, there's no button for that to happen. However, I'll go bring it up in the Captain's Guild and maybe Dark can do something about that.

You're fine, don't worry about that. I'm sure there are plenty of other people that would like to know what's going on. As of now, I can tell you that there's absolutely nothing going on in the Guild Council. It's just a void right now.

deadp00l7217


xLaurelX
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:49 pm


I can bring it up in the Captains Guild's. You forget that I am the captain of a guild currently, a dead one, but a guild nonetheless. xd But I am lazy. If you would bring it up I would appreciate it. Hehe.

And I figured it was pretty damn empty right now. Not much going on here... not much should be going on. I doubt the council will have a ton of work... unless this guild gets trolls or something. O_o;
zOMG, I should become the Hazy of the LI Hangout Guild! xd Naaaaah. I don't really wanna get banned.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:53 pm


xLaurelX
I can bring it up in the Captains Guild's. You forget that I am the captain of a guild currently, a dead one, but a guild nonetheless. xd But I am lazy. If you would bring it up I would appreciate it. Hehe.

And I figured it was pretty damn empty right now. Not much going on here... not much should be going on. I doubt the council will have a ton of work... unless this guild gets trolls or something. O_o;
zOMG, I should become the Hazy of the LI Hangout Guild! xd Naaaaah. I don't really wanna get banned.


I'd kill you. Hazy and PA are enough in GD. I don't want to see that here. D:

(And he's not really.. Hazy anymore. He's Hazybear or Hazyboo or something like that now.)

Leviticus can shove it


deadp00l7217

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:56 pm


xLaurelX
I can bring it up in the Captains Guild's. You forget that I am the captain of a guild currently, a dead one, but a guild nonetheless. xd But I am lazy. If you would bring it up I would appreciate it. Hehe.

And I figured it was pretty damn empty right now. Not much going on here... not much should be going on. I doubt the council will have a ton of work... unless this guild gets trolls or something. O_o;
zOMG, I should become the Hazy of the LI Hangout Guild! xd Naaaaah. I don't really wanna get banned.
I brought it up in a new thread. I actually did forget, though. blaugh

Well, I think I pretty much implied to Soleq that he has all the writing responsibilities for this. I don't even think I'd be smart enough to draft them. I'll certainly revise, edit, and/or go over them.

This is another reason why I think it's a good idea to have an announcement forum so the regular members can voice their opinion on the issues of this guild if they wanted to. It's all up for debate though.

I really don't know what's going to happen. I think after the sub-forums their workload will greatly decrease.
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