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 Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:53 pm
20 Shades of Crazy marshmallowcreampie Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies. See, this is why I think it's inherently sexist, as it implies that every woman wants to be a mother, which is a gender role, yeah? xP
You mean to tell me females exist for something other than uterus utilization? :O
/shock
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:06 pm
Xxartistic_illusionXx Nayva I t turns out that the 13-year-old might not be the father. The two others that stepped forward are 14 (not much better) and 16. Plus, the mother has claimed to have slept with as many as 8 teenagers around the time she got pregnant...So, in other words, one of those 8 guys she slept with could be the father? Are they going to do a DNA test to find out who it is? That's horrible. My question: how come none of them came forward DURING HER PREGNANCY?
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:08 pm
Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. I don't and it's wrong to assume so. That is what happened years ago. I have no problem with single parent families. Married people tend to be more financially stable than that of a single parent family. As long as said parent(s) can provide I don't see any problems.
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:37 pm
20 Shades of Crazy marshmallowcreampie Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies. See, this is why I think it's inherently sexist, as it implies that every woman wants to be a mother, which is a gender role, yeah? xP I don't really see how they were implying that, but I did find the program sexist in other ways. They were implying that only men can pressure sex, and that only men can rape people, and that only men pressure to have unprotected sex.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:02 am
marshmallowcreampie 20 Shades of Crazy marshmallowcreampie Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies. See, this is why I think it's inherently sexist, as it implies that every woman wants to be a mother, which is a gender role, yeah? xP I don't really see how they were implying that, but I did find the program sexist in other ways. They were implying that only men can pressure sex, and that only men can rape people, and that only men pressure to have unprotected sex. Well, at the very least it's heterocentric and assumes everyone desires to get married. Knowing the kind of ideology backing up *that type* of sex ed, I wouldn't say it's far-fetched to assume it being implied that sex after marriage = baby-making.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:17 am
marshmallowcreampie 20 Shades of Crazy marshmallowcreampie Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies. See, this is why I think it's inherently sexist, as it implies that every woman wants to be a mother, which is a gender role, yeah? xP I don't really see how they were implying that, but I did find the program sexist in other ways. They were implying that only men can pressure sex, and that only men can rape people, and that only men pressure to have unprotected sex. I see your point, and yes, a few women can be jerks. And I'm for prosecuting those. But the statistics overwhelmingly point out that men are the rapists. It makes sense with as deep of a patriarchal history this world has seen. I'm glad both men and women work to chip away at it, but man.. It doesn't help that U.S. law does not protect a woman after 18 by assuming that she was lying about getting raped through questioning her sexual history/character instead of the alleged rapist.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:31 pm
_Morgane Fay_ Well, at the very least it's heterocentric and assumes everyone desires to get married. Knowing the kind of ideology backing up *that type* of sex ed, I wouldn't say it's far-fetched to assume it being implied that sex after marriage = baby-making. True. Apparently it's oh-so-bad to have a kid outside of marriage, even if the father is around and you're perfectly capable of supporting it. Barack Obama didn't see his biological father much, but most people would say that he turned out pretty successful. I always thought it was "heterocentric", as you said, because gay people can't get married in most states. To Grip of Death: It's not just about the rape. It's just that they implied that only men can pressure women to have sex. They never even slipped in "Guys, if a woman pressures you to have sex, you should think about it".
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:51 pm
marshmallow, I agree with your point...
Though I addressed rape because pressure, etc, is the precursor to rape.
Sex is mutually consensual, if not, then it is rape. "No means NO", even if said softly the first time. Even if it took 30 "nos" on the same night to finally manipulate and guilt-trip the partner into saying "yes". Especially if the partner ends up getting drunk or has a drug slipped in their drink. No means no.
Men are still overwhelmingly more motivated to pressure women for sex than the other way around. They have the least at stake due to
- unfair double standards that benefit men, that men can be "playas" but women "hos"
- no chance for pregnancy occurring in their own bodies. Even if a pregnancy happens, it's easier for a man to bail out and run away from it.
- biologically, only 30% of women can experience vaginal penetrative pleasure, so unless the guy is a knowledgeable and giving lover, the woman is not automatically going to even have a fun time in bed for all that it's worth. d'oh!
Though, both genders have sexual diseases at stake, at least, without protection.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:12 pm
Fran Salaska Xxartistic_illusionXx Nayva I t turns out that the 13-year-old might not be the father. The two others that stepped forward are 14 (not much better) and 16. Plus, the mother has claimed to have slept with as many as 8 teenagers around the time she got pregnant...So, in other words, one of those 8 guys she slept with could be the father? Are they going to do a DNA test to find out who it is? That's horrible. My question: how come none of them came forward DURING HER PREGNANCY? Maybe they didn't know? Or maybe they didn't think the girl would be on the news and that she might start calling on them.
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