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 Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:50 pm
Dis Domnu Behatzlacha-S I don't agree with the archaic Christian view of G-d as some big bearded man. In fact, I don't agree with people giving Hashem form. It does say we were formed in his likeness, but to picture Hashem is to think you can know G-d, which you never can entirely. I swear I've read somewhere that you're not supposed to picture G-d at all, because He's infinite and by picturing Him you're limiting Him to a finite form. Which is exactly what I said in my last sentence.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:59 pm
Behatzlacha-S Dis Domnu Behatzlacha-S I don't agree with the archaic Christian view of G-d as some big bearded man. In fact, I don't agree with people giving Hashem form. It does say we were formed in his likeness, but to picture Hashem is to think you can know G-d, which you never can entirely. I swear I've read somewhere that you're not supposed to picture G-d at all, because He's infinite and by picturing Him you're limiting Him to a finite form. Which is exactly what I said in my last sentence. I was agreeing with you. o_O Saying I thought it was official.
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:14 pm
Dis Domnu Behatzlacha-S Dis Domnu Behatzlacha-S I don't agree with the archaic Christian view of G-d as some big bearded man. In fact, I don't agree with people giving Hashem form. It does say we were formed in his likeness, but to picture Hashem is to think you can know G-d, which you never can entirely. I swear I've read somewhere that you're not supposed to picture G-d at all, because He's infinite and by picturing Him you're limiting Him to a finite form. Which is exactly what I said in my last sentence. I was agreeing with you. o_O Saying I thought it was official. Oh okay. sweatdrop Sorry about that then.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:50 am
Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes.
My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork.
I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to.
Judaism... am I doing it wrong?
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:49 pm
Lord Baron Prince Babel Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes. My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork. I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to. Judaism... am I doing it wrong? Good politics, interesting Judaism. I can see the Buddhism there. As Hashem simply IS, and therefore has no form, I suppose you're right. I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was a form of Karma, but then again I'm highly influenced by Hinduism. I also share your belief that each law was laid down for a reason. Some of these reasons are outdated now or have become ridiculous, and so I don't follow some.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:16 pm
Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes. My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork. I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to. Judaism... am I doing it wrong? Good politics, interesting Judaism. I can see the Buddhism there. As Hashem simply IS, and therefore has no form, I suppose you're right. I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was a form of Karma, but then again I'm highly influenced by Hinduism. I also share your belief that each law was laid down for a reason. Some of these reasons are outdated now or have become ridiculous, and so I don't follow some. Indeed. I love Judaism but I'm also having trouble with overcoming my love for Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism and some of the ideas of the Celtic religions since I feel so tied to those beliefs. I'm starting to think I should juggle ideas of all those faiths to help me on my spiritual journey instead of conforming to one religion. ... Though Judaism is probably my favorite next to Zen Buddhism.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:04 pm
Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes. My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork. I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to. Judaism... am I doing it wrong? Good politics, interesting Judaism. I can see the Buddhism there. As Hashem simply IS, and therefore has no form, I suppose you're right. I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was a form of Karma, but then again I'm highly influenced by Hinduism. I also share your belief that each law was laid down for a reason. Some of these reasons are outdated now or have become ridiculous, and so I don't follow some. Indeed. I love Judaism but I'm also having trouble with overcoming my love for Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism and some of the ideas of the Celtic religions since I feel so tied to those beliefs. I'm starting to think I should juggle ideas of all those faiths to help me on my spiritual journey instead of conforming to one religion. ... Though Judaism is probably my favorite next to Zen Buddhism. One contrasting thought is this: "I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to." I don't think that. I believe Hashem has no form, yes, but I do not believe He is a mystical power we can tap into. G-d seems to be a non-material, omnipotent/-scient being with set standards. I do hold the belief that pagan gods are non-existant.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:56 pm
Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes. My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork. I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to. Judaism... am I doing it wrong? Good politics, interesting Judaism. I can see the Buddhism there. As Hashem simply IS, and therefore has no form, I suppose you're right. I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was a form of Karma, but then again I'm highly influenced by Hinduism. I also share your belief that each law was laid down for a reason. Some of these reasons are outdated now or have become ridiculous, and so I don't follow some. Indeed. I love Judaism but I'm also having trouble with overcoming my love for Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism and some of the ideas of the Celtic religions since I feel so tied to those beliefs. I'm starting to think I should juggle ideas of all those faiths to help me on my spiritual journey instead of conforming to one religion. ... Though Judaism is probably my favorite next to Zen Buddhism. One contrasting thought is this: "I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to." I don't think that. I believe Hashem has no form, yes, but I do not believe He is a mystical power we can tap into. G-d seems to be a non-material, omnipotent/-scient being with set standards. I do hold the belief that pagan gods are non-existant. I don't know. People used to acknowledge them, even the Jews and early Christians. They weren't 'gods'... they were more like other beings that were worshiped by humans. I've had enough weird experiences to make me wonder if there are other beings on this earth that aren't human. As much as I haatteee the New Age movement I'll quote some of its participants by saying these beings are mostly gone now. We've scared them off and they went back to wherever they came from. I'm not saying I believe in these beings as much as I believe in Hashem because I don't. I'm just curious about their possible existence, have some experiences before I reached a level of Judaism on my spiritual journey to make me take them more seriously then others would, and the fact that on a cultural level everyone has stories similar to the ones other people have. (Fairies and Djinn and the like...) I'm completely agnostic about their existence. I won't say they exist, no doubt about it but I won't say they don't exist because we just don't know. This idea is what anchors me down from converting to a fully monotheistic faith. I'm not monotheistic, I'm softly henotheistic. I'm not one to look at a Wiccan's or Hindu's face and tell them their gods aren't really. Heck, maybe nothing really exists. I'm completely agnostic about all of existence and all knowledge and being open minded about all things is probably the best way of living. Scientists with their formulas and equations are damn fools with their stance that science can prove almost anything and religious people are damn fools for not listening to scientists or accepting some of the natural laws. Disagreement ultimately leads to conflict and if you take a good middle ground and are humble in the face of all beliefs and lifestyles then you won't get in as much trouble. I've felt that if I limit myself to one religion then I'll anchor myself down to the ground and my soul will scream out for freedom of thought and action. I love Judaism, it's probably one of my favorite religions and I apply a great deal of the 613 mitzvahs in my life. I can't bring myself to eat pork or drink milk with meat anymore. Out of all of the monotheistic faiths, especially out of the main three, Judaism is the most sensible in my opinion. I've always felt connected to the Jewish people and the Jewish way of life but there are other religions I love too. So, yeah. By the way, I wasn't calling anyone here damn fools, I was talking about the zealots.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:26 pm
Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes. My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork. I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to. Judaism... am I doing it wrong? Good politics, interesting Judaism. I can see the Buddhism there. As Hashem simply IS, and therefore has no form, I suppose you're right. I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was a form of Karma, but then again I'm highly influenced by Hinduism. I also share your belief that each law was laid down for a reason. Some of these reasons are outdated now or have become ridiculous, and so I don't follow some. Indeed. I love Judaism but I'm also having trouble with overcoming my love for Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism and some of the ideas of the Celtic religions since I feel so tied to those beliefs. I'm starting to think I should juggle ideas of all those faiths to help me on my spiritual journey instead of conforming to one religion. ... Though Judaism is probably my favorite next to Zen Buddhism. One contrasting thought is this: "I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to." I don't think that. I believe Hashem has no form, yes, but I do not believe He is a mystical power we can tap into. G-d seems to be a non-material, omnipotent/-scient being with set standards. I do hold the belief that pagan gods are non-existant. I don't know. People used to acknowledge them, even the Jews and early Christians. They weren't 'gods'... they were more like other beings that were worshipped by humans. I've had enough weird experiences to make me wonder if there are other beings on this earth that aren't human. As much as I haatteee the New Age movement I'll quote some of its participants by saying these beings are mostly gone now. We've scared them off and they went back to wherever they came from. I'm not saying I believe in these beings as much as I believe in Hashem because I don't. I'm just curious about their possible existence, have some experiences before I reached a level of Judaism on my spiritual journey to make me take them more seriously then others would, and the fact that on a cultural level everyone has stories similar to the ones other people have. (Fairies and Djinn and the like...) I'm completely agnostic about their existence. I won't say they exist, no doubt about it but I won't say they don't exist because we just don't know. This idea is what anchors me down from converting to a fully monotheistic faith. I'm not monotheistic, I'm softly henotheistic. I'm not one to look at a Wiccan's or Hindu's face and tell them their gods aren't really. Heck, maybe nothing really exists. I'm completely agnostic about all of existence and all knowledge and being open minded about all things is probably the best way of living. Scientists with their formulas and equations are damn fools with their stance that science can prove almost anything and religious people are damn fools for not listening to scientists or accepting some of the natural laws. Disagreement ultimately leads to conflict and if you take a good middle ground and are humble in the face of all beliefs and lifestyles then you won't get in as much trouble. I've felt that if I limit myself to one religion then I'll anchor myself down to the ground and my soul will scream out for freedom of thought and action. I love Judaism, it's probably one of my favorite religions and I apply a great deal of the 613 mitzvahs in my life. I can't bring myself to eat pork or drink milk with meat anymore. Out of all of the monotheistic faiths, especially out of the main three, Judaism is the most sensible in my opinion. I've always felt connected to the Jewish people and the Jewish way of life but there are other religions I love too. So, yeah. By the way, I wasn't calling anyone here damn fools, I was talking about the zealots. Yeah, I get you. Not a belief I hold, but I understand. Every religion has its zealots. I suppose I'm biased against pagans because of the German Faith Movement. Though I've a Swedish friend who identifies with both Christianity and Norse beliefs. (PS: Hinduism isn't technically polytheistic as they are all aspects/symbols for the same G-d. Which is why any view of Hashem is technically right.)
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:34 pm
Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Recently I've started viewing Torah as more of a cultural guide and sacred text on how to be a Jew with stories explaining how the Children of Israel came about and all that jazz and all of the laws were created to make sure the continued existence of the tribes. My idea of G-d isn't really Abrahamic at all anymore because I've been reading a lot of philosophy lately and I don't think G-d is anything like like the G-d that shoots fire and brim stone down onto Sodom and Gamorah or the G-d who told us we can't eat pork. I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to. Judaism... am I doing it wrong? Good politics, interesting Judaism. I can see the Buddhism there. As Hashem simply IS, and therefore has no form, I suppose you're right. I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was a form of Karma, but then again I'm highly influenced by Hinduism. I also share your belief that each law was laid down for a reason. Some of these reasons are outdated now or have become ridiculous, and so I don't follow some. Indeed. I love Judaism but I'm also having trouble with overcoming my love for Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism and some of the ideas of the Celtic religions since I feel so tied to those beliefs. I'm starting to think I should juggle ideas of all those faiths to help me on my spiritual journey instead of conforming to one religion. ... Though Judaism is probably my favorite next to Zen Buddhism. One contrasting thought is this: "I think there is an ultimate force out there that everyone on this earth acknowledges and It takes a specific form to whatever culture It reveals itself to." I don't think that. I believe Hashem has no form, yes, but I do not believe He is a mystical power we can tap into. G-d seems to be a non-material, omnipotent/-scient being with set standards. I do hold the belief that pagan gods are non-existant. I don't know. People used to acknowledge them, even the Jews and early Christians. They weren't 'gods'... they were more like other beings that were worshipped by humans. I've had enough weird experiences to make me wonder if there are other beings on this earth that aren't human. As much as I haatteee the New Age movement I'll quote some of its participants by saying these beings are mostly gone now. We've scared them off and they went back to wherever they came from. I'm not saying I believe in these beings as much as I believe in Hashem because I don't. I'm just curious about their possible existence, have some experiences before I reached a level of Judaism on my spiritual journey to make me take them more seriously then others would, and the fact that on a cultural level everyone has stories similar to the ones other people have. (Fairies and Djinn and the like...) I'm completely agnostic about their existence. I won't say they exist, no doubt about it but I won't say they don't exist because we just don't know. This idea is what anchors me down from converting to a fully monotheistic faith. I'm not monotheistic, I'm softly henotheistic. I'm not one to look at a Wiccan's or Hindu's face and tell them their gods aren't really. Heck, maybe nothing really exists. I'm completely agnostic about all of existence and all knowledge and being open minded about all things is probably the best way of living. Scientists with their formulas and equations are damn fools with their stance that science can prove almost anything and religious people are damn fools for not listening to scientists or accepting some of the natural laws. Disagreement ultimately leads to conflict and if you take a good middle ground and are humble in the face of all beliefs and lifestyles then you won't get in as much trouble. I've felt that if I limit myself to one religion then I'll anchor myself down to the ground and my soul will scream out for freedom of thought and action. I love Judaism, it's probably one of my favorite religions and I apply a great deal of the 613 mitzvahs in my life. I can't bring myself to eat pork or drink milk with meat anymore. Out of all of the monotheistic faiths, especially out of the main three, Judaism is the most sensible in my opinion. I've always felt connected to the Jewish people and the Jewish way of life but there are other religions I love too. So, yeah. By the way, I wasn't calling anyone here damn fools, I was talking about the zealots. Yeah, I get you. Not a belief I hold, but I understand. Every religion has its zealots. I suppose I'm biased against pagans because of the German Faith Movement. Though I've a Swedish friend who identifies with both Christianity and Norse beliefs. (PS: Hinduism isn't technically polytheistic as they are all aspects/symbols for the same G-d. Which is why any view of Hashem is technically right.) I think many of the neopagan beliefs and the hippie culture of the New Age movement are silly but I think they might be rubbing up against a good idea but totally going about it the wrong way. (Don't forget about your culture's old beliefs but don't start wearing a sword and telling people how you worship Loki and sacrifice animals to Pan and what not... you'll lose friends that way, trust me!) That's my belief and I make fun of them a lot in spiritual conversations but I don't think they're wrong... just really, really weird. Whatever makes them happy. Oh, I know Hinduism isn't polytheistic. In a way it is but it depends on what form of Hinduism you're going about, folk Hinduism tends to lean more a pantheon. I'm never going back to occult magick and that sort of stuff because I think it was totally lame and more fantasy than fulfilling spiritual enlightenment. I'm much more at home blending Hinduism, Judaism, and Zen in bender while also, when not in a very spiritual mood, proclaiming myself to be a Discordian just to intimidate people.
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:59 pm
(Trimming the quote tree.)
I thought Discordianism was more philosophy than religion?
And magic does feature in the Torah. Zumbi seems to be an expert in it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:11 pm
Behatzlacha-S (Trimming the quote tree.) I thought Discordianism was more philosophy than religion? And magic does feature in the Torah. Zumbi seems to be an expert in it. Discordianism is a bit of a mock philosophy than a religion but it can get serious.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:46 pm
Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S (Trimming the quote tree.) I thought Discordianism was more philosophy than religion? And magic does feature in the Torah. Zumbi seems to be an expert in it. Discordianism is a bit of a mock philosophy than a religion but it can get serious. Aren't they banned from eating hot dog buns? And don't they marry the dead? Brilliant. It's like a cross between the Aerican Empire and the Church of the FSM.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:23 pm
Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S (Trimming the quote tree.) I thought Discordianism was more philosophy than religion? And magic does feature in the Torah. Zumbi seems to be an expert in it. Discordianism is a bit of a mock philosophy than a religion but it can get serious. Aren't they banned from eating hot dog buns? And don't they marry the dead? Brilliant. It's like a cross between the Aerican Empire and the Church of the FSM. When I said philosophy I meant religion. Basically the Discordians worship Eris. When I say 'worship' I mean like they do it for the lulz. They say you can talk to Eris through your pineal gland and whatever she says back is her Word, even if it contradicts something she told another person. You're encouraged to create chaos through schisms and making your own sects.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:18 pm
Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S Lord Baron Prince Babel Behatzlacha-S (Trimming the quote tree.) I thought Discordianism was more philosophy than religion? And magic does feature in the Torah. Zumbi seems to be an expert in it. Discordianism is a bit of a mock philosophy than a religion but it can get serious. Aren't they banned from eating hot dog buns? And don't they marry the dead? Brilliant. It's like a cross between the Aerican Empire and the Church of the FSM. When I said philosophy I meant religion. Basically the Discordians worship Eris. When I say 'worship' I mean like they do it for the lulz. They say you can talk to Eris through your pineal gland and whatever she says back is her Word, even if it contradicts something she told another person. You're encouraged to create chaos through schisms and making your own sects. LOL. Yeah I remember. Isn't everyone their own Pope or something?
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