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Those defense contractors also needed to hire additional people to complete the job.

I've had it! If people can't learn to save thier money its their own fault that they run out of money in thier old age, maybe people should be more responsible with thier money, and if they were maybe we wouldn't be in the financial trainwreck!

That is besides the point, you brought up the cold war, which was an arms race between a free market economy, and a communist economy to determine which was superior.

Communisms last few leaders? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

Stalin: Dictator
Lenin: Dictator
Mao: Dictator
Kim Il Sung: Dictator
Kim Jong Il: Dictator
Fidel Castro: Dictator

only now is Cuba starting to see the good life since Fidel's brother Raul is much more open minded. Every communist economy has been lead by a dictator, and you say its unrelated.

Was it wrong for Reagan to inflate American pride, if so then I guess we should all just leave because Obama from what I've seen is trying to inflate American pride, he ran his campaign off of belief in the American work ethic, which is great I applaud him for that, but the way to get people to work hard is not giving them free money.

Thats because of insurance companies... under the current system they know they can charge more and more because insurance companies are [supposed to] foot a large part of the bill, in essence the doctors get more money for doing the same thing, I bet you'd charge more in thier position too.

While I agree insurance companies are the problem, the solution is not socialized healthcare, because doctors would still just up thier prices so that socialized healthcare gives them more and more money, and who pays for socialized healthcare? Taxpayers, socialized healthcare would only invent a different way for doctors to suck more money out of our wallets, all though we wouldn't really notice because it would just be deducted from our checks. We would never see the money at all so we wouldn't really be able to miss it now would we?

What about those of us who live healthy lifestyles and consequently live healthy lives and don't need to repeatedly going to the doctor? They lose out, I lose out. Socialized healthcare would only reward unhealthy lifestyles I mean hey, if you're paying for the system you might as well get your use out of it right?

The solution here is getting rid of the insurance companies, enacting a one time legislation slashing drug and doctor costs and then carry on with life.

The failed government programs are have government oversight, the problem is not capitalism, the problem is politicians. Sadly politicians are a necessary evil, we just need to keep them on short leashes. Socialism creates beaurocracy that is something to be avoided, I fear that you may not work under a system that functions like a beaurocracy. I do, that is how I know it is so horrific I will give you some examples from my library and you will see that my library does not rule.

1. If a patron asks a page [book shelver] where a book is, we may not show them. We must direct them to a librarian so that the librarian can look up the number and then lead the patron to where to book is. Even if we know exactly where the book is, even if we just put it away we must tell the patron to go see the librarian, wasting both the librarians and the patrons time.

2. Breaks are at mandated times only. Once I got reprimanded for taking my break at 6:58 two minutes before the time mandated by the library, even though I planned to return from my break at 7:13 two minutes before the ending time had I taken it at 7:00

3. We have a new magazine shelving system, previously all back issues were kept in the department called the magazine alcove [page's home base] when someone rang the bell we would go back there and get them their magazine. This system worked beautifully, now 1 years worth of back issues are kept under a swivel shelf system, however we did not tell the patrons this. Now most often someone rings the bell says they want the lets say december issue of national geographic. Now we have to lead the patron all the way back to the other side of the library, approx. 400 feet. Show them the swivel shelf system, for those that have learned about the new shelf system they always come back demanding to know why there are no back issues up there, at which point we have to explain to them that those issues have been checked out, and we have no system to look up when the magazines are due back, so we have to just suggest they come back another time, giving them no clue as to when another time is.

4. When our new director came in, she decided that she didn't want people to have to read signs in the library and took them aaway. The only sign left standing is the one that says EXIT. God forbid you might go to a library and have to read something.

My library does not rule, my main conclusion is that we are trying to make things as difficult as possible for our patrons.

Trains? Your solution is trains? Do you have any idea how noisy it is to live next door to a train track? I live on a main road, thats loud enough, if trains come by I'm packing up and leaving.

What has NASA actually accomplished in the last 30 years besides blowing up 2 rockets? 1960 something we went to the moon, then nothing happened for a long time. We have sent out hundreds of satellites that have been lost or never even started working in space. NASA has been irrelevant for quite some time, I have doubts that we actually found spores of life under mars's soil, I don't think we did I think NASA probably just wants to justify its massive budget.

Giving my library money will only make the problem worse, we will buy more uneccessary equipment, meanwhile the necessary equipment like micro-fiche readers barely function since they have sat in our library for 35 years now, the plastic is brittle, the circuit boards have errors and we get TV's brilliant.

Sorry I've been away for a few days.

I think we're just going to have to disagree, I think the only thing keeping us from being healthy is our unhealthy lifestyles. Your linking to the other thread has failed to convince me that unhealthy lifestyles lead to our general unhealthiness.

I was pointing out that EVERY communist economy has been led by dictators, and I fail to believe that future ones will be any different.

I believe that communism makes everyone miserable except those below the poverty line. My co worker Anatoliy has told me of the evils of communism, according to his statements there was little to no innovation, and from what he percieved the general population merely existed, the only source of excitement: Alchohol and sex, to me thats a pretty miserable lifestyle. I will not change my views on communism, I have been told by people I respect [and disagree with politically I should add] that communism does nothing but demoralize the people.

Also call me old fashioned if you must, but I firmly believe and always will that hard work pays the bills. If you work hard enough, somebody will notice, you may be promoted and if thats not the case quit, I'm sure your employer after noting such a hard worker you are will gladly give you a glowing reccomendation for a future job.

You should read some of Napolean Hill's work, his teachings are that if you say to yourself tommorow you will do a better job, and continuely do that that at some point you will be working as hard as you can and prosperity will surely follow.

Three things that I will never stop believing. 1. Hard work pays off 2. Unhealthy habits lead to unhealthly lifestyles 3. Adding more government influence only complicates the equation.

If you have a problem with number one then dude I think you're in the wrong country, ask any business owner, ask the richest guy you know what got him there and you know what he's gonna say? Hard work and determination.

If you have a problem with number two ask somebody who works in a free clinic. Which is the primary cause for unhealthy living? Unhealthy lifestyles or lack of socialized healthcare.

If you have a problem with number three ask anybody who works for the government [besides the pr manager]


It sickens me to know that people would accept free money, I would not free money is not good money, good money is money you earned, I am sure that you would agree that it feels much better to have earned your money than to be handed it. I trust that you believe in hard work just as I do.

As for Bush genetics didn't get him everything, he still had to go out and garner the votes.

For those who see that financial independence is a pipe dream there are always fall back options. 1. Meijers is always willing to accept cart pushers, its not good money but if you spend it responsibly and purchase only necessities [bread, water, basic shelter perhaps a bicycle to get to work if you can afford it] you will be able to save money up. 2. The armed forces are always accepting especially in a time of war, currently a $20,000 signing bonus is offered, that means just for signing up you get $20,000. While in the armed forces you do not pay for clothes, food, shelter, utilities and you do not pay taxes.

I for one reject the idea that there are any people without options.

Under that system we would boil down to the same problem you seem to think is plaguing our current system just in a different form. Essentially it would be punishing people who do not have the means to change, some people just can't kick habits even if that means thier life. Do you think people who smoke desire to continue smoking? Some people are just unable to quit bad habits. Whether that is do to a genetic deficiency or a lack of will power is a whole different issue that I do not wish to get into because I do not know.

Also its not just leeches I worry about, I worry about government getting involved in healthcare, frankly that frightens me, ok I'll concede maybe canada has a better government or something that enables thier system to work. All I'm saying is I don't trust new government programs because I have seen so many fail, I am looking at this from a mathematical side: the more factors you add the more likely the equation will melt down.

I do not believe that I have tried to make hard work an ethical or moral issue, I"m just saying my belief is that hard works pays off.

First off unjust war depends on individual perception. Second, you see a problem with a system that enables people to work from the bottom up?
Third d**k Cheney is no longer in any sort of command of government, maybe your savior will kick him out of the pentagon.

Why not? I think if Henry Ford was alive today he'd be disgusted with his company probably shut it down and start over. I want as many companies built on the foundation of hard work and intelligence to spring up as possible.