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 Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:57 pm
Eh.. so many long posts.. @_@ I feel mine is going to be insufficient to the conversation. @_@
I dont dress lolita much. Mostly because i only have about two nice skirts to work with, and 4 tops, that are hard to match with the skirts. @_@ So I dont dress it much.
I would glomp someone I saw lolita and squeal. I think lolita fashion is uber adorable.
However, Based on what I observed from high school, 9th grade, when Good Charlotte and Avril came out, and were all badass, and Hot topic sprung up in everyone's language, and it seemed like just about everyone at my school wore something spiked or chained.. I'm mot saying people are bad, but were ignorant, when they strutted stuff they were very ill informed about. And that's something I dont want to happen to lolita, where it becomes a joke to wear, and it relates to Blah blah Famous Person who "brought it out" mad These are just my opinions though. I did go to Hot topic in 8th grade for my first time, and thought it was so cool. But then everything seemed to just fade or get nasty looking quickly, and I learned that the stuff in that store isnt that great. They do have nifty novelties though. But when I'm in the mall, I usually try to avoid that place.
I think its more of an interesting challenge to find clothes from JC Penny and Walmart and make "loli" Than just finding some easy way out and going to Hot topic and buying their lolita stuff. confused
Im just difficult like that.
But for anything else that doesnt involve like the example I gave, i wouldnt mind. it would be fun. I wantt to have some more people knowing about lolita, so I can have loli friends and have tea parties. ._. It makes me sad really, knowing I cant share this stuff with anyone. I did kind of have a friend who liked lolita, she was kind of.. ignorant though. And she seemed to coin lolita with mini skirts that showed your butt cheeks, and dressing more like a hippy rather than a Victorian lady. domokun
And as for Kamikaze girls. I think that's already showing in New York, and chicago. Im mad, because I was in chicago this summer, if i knew it was showing there, I would have tried to sneak away to see it. D:
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:09 pm
it would be nice to be able to just walk into a store in the mall and fond something lolita. that would be great. what i dont like about it coming to america is that most people just think its a cool and trendy thing and dont know much about it. granted, im not an expert, but i know some stuff about it. as for hot topic, i dont really care. they can sell waht they want. i get my stockings and hair dye there. im not a big fan of their "lolita" stuff, but i dont have to buy it or wear it, so it isnt my problem.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:07 pm
[Lolita] Seraphynthetic biggrin Exactly!
Which why I created this topic, to understand why some lolitas feel the urge to stick up their noses at any American attempts. It doesn't fit to the personality a lolita should display. O-o
It also left me wondering that if I ever actually achieved my dream of becoming a fashion desginer, would I be treated the same way some of these lolitas treat Hot Topic? Would they claim that I'm doing it for just the money when in all honesty I wanna put the dresses out at low prices (under $70) and try to reach all with my love for the lolita culture and its subcultures? I mean...OUCH! Kinda harsh treatment from fellow lolitas. x: Yeah, I'd thought about that, too; I wanted to be a designer for a while, but I gave up on it when I realized that if I designed clothes in the style I loved, nobody would buy them. The people who don't like gothic lolita obviously wouldn't buy it, but those who did wouldn't either simply because it wouldn't be straight from a big-name Japanese company or might be less expensive and more readily available to lolis over here through one of the only stores that might sell it: Hot Topic. whee I mean, we all want loli outfits in the States, but which other chain store would sell them? I doubt that a chain store only for loli clothes would be a success, no matter how many dresses we all bought; there just aren't as many people who would shop there as they would at, say, the Gap. 3nodding I dunno, it's a complicated issue, it seems..
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:13 pm
PsychodelicPenguin However, Based on what I observed from high school, 9th grade, when Good Charlotte and Avril came out, and were all badass, and Hot topic sprung up in everyone's language, and it seemed like just about everyone at my school wore something spiked or chained.. I'm mot saying people are bad, but were ignorant, when they strutted stuff they were very ill informed about. And that's something I dont want to happen to lolita, where it becomes a joke to wear, and it relates to Blah blah Famous Person who "brought it out" mad These are just my opinions though. I did go to Hot topic in 8th grade for my first time, and thought it was so cool. But then everything seemed to just fade or get nasty looking quickly, and I learned that the stuff in that store isnt that great. They do have nifty novelties though. But when I'm in the mall, I usually try to avoid that place.
If I became an uber big fashion designer and designed only lolita style clothes (plus lingerie that isn't so very lolita but work with me here) would you hate ne because I am some "blah blah Famous Person who brought it out"?
I mean that's my hopeless goal, but it may happen one day...in 20 years... >_<
And did it ever occur to you that Mana was one of those "blah blah Famous Person" people who helped to bring lolita more mainstream? Well at least in Japan anyway. And for a time if that (you're not so cool if you dress lolita now, which is considered Cosplay over there).
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:35 am
I would have to say no, I dont mind people dressing in Lolita, but if they dress in Lolita badly it would annoy me- though then I would hopefully at least be able to think 'at least I look good'.
Wow- thats really vain of me confused But I do love it when I'm dresed up and people come up to me and say they really like me and wish they could dress like I do- I do just feel like saying to the 'normal' people who like my clothes, 'just dress like it then, dont worry about what people think!' Im glad I dont feel so constrained by society in that way 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:12 am
girl_no_13 I would have to say no, I dont mind people dressing in Lolita, but if they dress in Lolita badly it would annoy me- though then I would hopefully at least be able to think 'at least I look good'. Wow- thats really vain of me confused But I do love it when I'm dresed up and people come up to me and say they really like me and wish they could dress like I do- I do just feel like saying to the 'normal' people who like my clothes, 'just dress like it then, dont worry about what people think!' Im glad I dont feel so constrained by society in that way 3nodding I think that everyone messes up lolita before they get it right, though; I know that there are still things I mess up, and I've been following the fashion for years now. I feel similarly, though; it's great to feel that you've inspired somebody, so why can't we all just look at it that way? All of us have inspired others to dress like we do. How can that be so bad? whee
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:01 pm
Seraphynthetic cloudyhead arg. im in a bad mood so i yattaed a bit but i did touch on your topics. im left with one question though, is that dress really that straight or are you not supermodel trim in the middle? i cant tell but i do like the top part of that dress somewhat.
I wish I could sew. But there's no one around here to learn from. ;-; And my mom won't teach me 'cause she's too lazy. stressed
As for the dress part...My size is (inches):
Bust: 36
Under bust: 32
Middle: 30
Hips: 38
I have hardly any curve in the middle. The black dress fit to my body right there, and gave me the illusion of a more curvy middle. The pink dress though, was too big (I wear a size 6 dress but this was like an cool , so it gave me no curve and left me looking like a plump stuffed doll with porcelain extremitites. x: ah i see i went to ht the other day and they had pictures of that dress all around but nothing truly tangable. i did find some corsets at the mall though (not at ht, hell no) and they rock my fereaking socks. im sewing up a skirt to go with one right now. you should make an attemt to learn to sew, its really not hard. dont ever start with any thing you plan on wearing frequently though, it will be a sad sad momnet when you screw up and cant fix it. learn to use the machine first. read the instrustons carefully and (like driving) get a feel for what the foot dose on the petal. its a verry delicate thing with some machines. (ive recently switched to a singer from using a brother for many monts and its fab. singer all the way exclaim )
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:04 pm
and what every one has said about it becoming main stream and stuff, here is something to think about, if lolita becomes main stream then its just up to us to dress better than the masses. its not that hard to do espically with a litte imagination and pervious loli knolege and just sheer dressing skill.
i can not stand how really gaudy colors are the style now, and espically how they dont match.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:11 am
I've said this before and I'll say it again. I would love if the entire world was lolita. Being lolita makes me SOOOO FREAKING HAPPY that I can't help but want to share that with everyone. I want everyone to enjoy lolita as much as I do.
It really urks me that people try to treat it like it's a secret society that you must go through some horrifying initiation of public ridicule in order to be worthy enough to say that I dress lolita. Lolita is so wonderful that it has a right to be experienced by the world!!
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:15 am
cloudyhead and what every one has said about it becoming main stream and stuff, here is something to think about, if lolita becomes main stream then its just up to us to dress better than the masses. its not that hard to do espically with a litte imagination and pervious loli knolege and just sheer dressing skill. i can not stand how really gaudy colors are the style now, and espically how they dont match. that's the way to think about it, just do it better. it's like the reverse of "if you can't beat them, join them" If the join you, just beat them, or rather out do them (just in case anyone is feeling violent, do beat someone down.)
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:36 pm
Lolita becoming mainstream woul be somewhat bittersweet, though more bitter than sweet in my opinion.
It would make loli fashion more widely available in the US, and also drive down the prices of loli outfits... though I do greatly enjoy designing and making my own clothing.
Perhaps tea parties would come into high style as well, in which case I would be thrilled as I always love an afternoon tea party!
However, there are downsides. We all would hope for the polite Lolita attitude to be taken up by more people as the lolita style became more popular, however I do believe that very few would actually adopt such habits.
Also, I enjoy being outside of the mainstream. It makes me feel as if I'm my own person, both inside AND out, not some mass-produced plaster casting. I enjoy being well recognized at my school as 'the chick with the poofy black dresses', even though I am often called a freak (but truly, such comments really don't bother me... I refuse to pay them any mind).
I don't know... if it ever became mianstream in the US I probably would go on living my life the way I have been and long outlast those who just tumble in and out as the fad passes.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:19 pm
EGL Goddess I've said this before and I'll say it again. I would love if the entire world was lolita. Being lolita makes me SOOOO FREAKING HAPPY that I can't help but want to share that with everyone. I want everyone to enjoy lolita as much as I do. It really urks me that people try to treat it like it's a secret society that you must go through some horrifying initiation of public ridicule in order to be worthy enough to say that I dress lolita. Lolita is so wonderful that it has a right to be experienced by the world!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:37 am
Yeah, so I get annoyed when loli becomes more mainstream. Why? Not because I don't want to "share the lolita love" or whatever.
I am annoyed with loli becoming more and more mainstream because it is turning into a big, idiotic fad. I consider it a beautiful artform... so when it is suddenly cheapened to the state of a fad, a cheap fashion style that people are only wearing because they think it is going to make them Japan-savvy and unique... well, that bothers me. For a whole list of personal reasons.
I feel that as you grow and change in personality, the way you project yourself often grows and changes. When I think of how I want to project myself, for example, I think of lace, frills, ruffles, ribbons, and the appearance of an innocent Victorian doll: Gothic Lolita, but with a disruption: hot pink hair and a lip ring. That is how I feel I should be projecting myself because that is who I feel like. I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone else. No, I don't feel like a sweet little delicate, well-mannered girl. But the look is how I feel. It's hard to explain.
Naturally, I am offended when people cheapen the idea of how one projects themselves; fads in general irritate the hell out of me. So when someone takes MY projection and something that is sacred to so very few honest lolis, not just trend followers or Japanophiles. People who not only like the way it looks, but like the way it feels and feel at home wearing it. Something sacred to them is being desecrated when it is being sold as a fad, and that pisses me off to no end.
Okay, end of long post. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:55 pm
I don't really hate hot topic I think it's nice (though it can be a bit too expensive for my taste xp ). I would just love it if EGL became mainstream also, but all I pray is that the media and the clothing companies would potray it for what it really is, elegant, classy, beautiful, and modest. Not make it look slutty or associate it with tons of piercings and tatoos. I try to keep an open mind when it comes to non-japanese clothing companies selling EGL clothing, unfortunatly some make the mistake of making it look like western goth clothing with lace.
I think if it does become mainstream it will only be popular amongst the kids who shop at hot topic. No one else will wear it unless the more popular stores sell lolita items. (Which I think would be awesome if they did. whee )
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:53 pm
Seraphynthetic PsychodelicPenguin However, Based on what I observed from high school, 9th grade, when Good Charlotte and Avril came out, and were all badass, and Hot topic sprung up in everyone's language, and it seemed like just about everyone at my school wore something spiked or chained.. I'm mot saying people are bad, but were ignorant, when they strutted stuff they were very ill informed about. And that's something I dont want to happen to lolita, where it becomes a joke to wear, and it relates to Blah blah Famous Person who "brought it out" mad These are just my opinions though. I did go to Hot topic in 8th grade for my first time, and thought it was so cool. But then everything seemed to just fade or get nasty looking quickly, and I learned that the stuff in that store isnt that great. They do have nifty novelties though. But when I'm in the mall, I usually try to avoid that place.
If I became an uber big fashion designer and designed only lolita style clothes (plus lingerie that isn't so very lolita but work with me here) would you hate ne because I am some "blah blah Famous Person who brought it out"?
I mean that's my hopeless goal, but it may happen one day...in 20 years... >_<
And did it ever occur to you that Mana was one of those "blah blah Famous Person" people who helped to bring lolita more mainstream? Well at least in Japan anyway. And for a time if that (you're not so cool if you dress lolita now, which is considered Cosplay over there).I kind of ment someone like.. Gwen. Seems like she's suddenly bringing lolita and other types of Harjuku fashion out like it was some long lost species in the forest, when it really wasnt. I would hope you dont boast around saying you brought it out, when you more like embraced the fashion while it flowers more (because lolita is still evolving into many subgroups 3nodding ) So if you did that, no I wouldnt hate you. whee
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