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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:48 am
I'd like to add my 2 cents on the Schiavo issue as well, although for the most part I'll be echoing (and perhaps elaborating on) the very concise and well summarized bullets Jahoclave has provided. Fundamental to the issue here is abuse of power.
The Schiavo case had been (as I understand it) strictly a matter of Florida State law, and had been handled under the jurisdiction of the appropriate state courts and had reached it's ultimate end, with Schiavo's parents on the losing side of the guardianship battle and the feeding tube removed.
In comes the federal government, they don't have any business, and can't add constructively to the situation, but it will be popular with a large chunk of their constituency, and hey, that helps with winning elections. I have yet to see in the news a coherent and reasonable explanation to how this case would fall under federal jurisdiction.
It strikes me a similar in some ways to crime. If you commit a crime in a state, for the most part you are responsible only to the state. Only if you cross state borders, or have done something intrinsically linked to the federal level (ie mail tampering, post-office crimes) do the big boys have reason to come after you. Nothing that I have seen in this case warrants federal involvement.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:14 am
My point is that the Legislature is still somewhat controlled by the people, not whether it is right or not. I have to agree that they don't have any business doing this, but the fact that they are means they are listening to the people, at least the majority. As for the issue of the majority squashing the rights of the minority, well, that IS one of the problems of democracy. Just goes to show that our form of government is not perfect. I do think they are doing this to win elections, but hey, thats how we control them. They either do what we want, or they get booted out of office. Unfourtunantly, what the majority of letter writers seem to want is for Congress to overstep it's authority. Congress is caught between Rule of the People and Rule of Law, and it seems to have chosen Rule of the People. At least, I HOPE that's the case.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:32 pm
Seems to me that it's really just vote pandering, the religous sector was really uprooted and set in motion with Bush agaisnt the hate messages that the far left has been sending out. In other words, they've really generated a lot of interest among people who have no idea what the laws are, rights of man, etc...
Right now it seems to me that we could invent a more specific term for theocracy, meaning theocratic rule of a democracy by a religous majority.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:01 am
Time to move on. There has been a bit of talk about Steriod use by Athletes. I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. On the one hand, theres the issue of freedom to do as you wish with your own body. On the other hand, there's the issue of having unfair advantage, and the fact that Steriods are dangerous. And another thing. If Steriods were taken off of the Banned list, then the ones that spent the most money on them would be the best perormers, so the ones that are truley dedicated to the game and worked out would be at a disadvantage. In short, Steriod users could end the careers of non-steriod players. What do you people think on this issue?
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:08 pm
High_Assassin Time to move on. There has been a bit of talk about Steriod use by Athletes. I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. On the one hand, theres the issue of freedom to do as you wish with your own body. On the other hand, there's the issue of having unfair advantage, and the fact that Steriods are dangerous. And another thing. If Steriods were taken off of the Banned list, then the ones that spent the most money on them would be the best perormers, so the ones that are truley dedicated to the game and worked out would be at a disadvantage. In short, Steriod users could end the careers of non-steriod players. What do you people think on this issue? It's the issue of baseball, not congress. I don't remember paying taxes to run major league baseball. (though, St. Louis is using taxes to fund the building of the new stadium...) It's industry regulation, most other sports have a lot harsher rules.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:47 am
Jahoclave That's what screwed us in Vietnam and that's what is screwing us now. No, what screwed us in Vietnam was that the millitary was trying to fight WWII agaisnt guerilla tactics, and that just plain doesn't work. Jahoclave What we really need to do is woop the s**t out of the people causing the problem. What problem? Terrorism the red herring? Jahoclave Not just go in there and p***y-foot around. Treat the entire middle-east like the warzone it is and just lay down wanton destruction on terrorist institutions. It's generally considered a bad idea to treat foreign powers like they aren't there, and you can be damn sure that we wouldn't be able to muster enough warm bodies for that without a draft. Our forces are already stretched out and suffering forced renlistment. Jahoclave Especially considering we can have GPS guided carpet bombing. So we MEANT to kill all those civilians we hit with them? Jahoclave We shouldn't be waiting for insurgents to come to us. We should be going door to door kicking their a** at every chance. "Insurgent" means "Rebel". They're civilians, and can be identified only when they get caught red-handed. What you are proposing, then, is a policy of full-blown genocide. Jahoclave It's still sad, considering all the techonology and ability that the Western powers have, that they simply refuse to flex their muscle and prove that they aren't going to put up with this sort of s**t from other countries. You either play nice, or you get your a** wooped. Ironicly, it was the US flexing it's muscle and not playing nice that caused the problems that we're allegedly trying to fix. Jahoclave Then again, we wouldn't be in this mess right now if it wasn't for our genius allies of Britian and France screwing over the middle east after WWII. Saddam was installed after we promoted a coup against the democratic government of Iraq out of fear that they might side with the USSR. He was loyal until Bush Sr stabbed him in the back by hinting he should invade Kuwait to keep them from causing an economic collapse in Iraq by underselling on oil. Osama bin Laden was trained for and funded to conduct terrorist acts against the USSR. Sure, Israel is a HUGE part of it, but if we weren't funding them to the tune of the combined GNP of half the middle east per day then they wouldn't be blaming us so much, would they? stare
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:43 pm
Tanasha Jahoclave That's what screwed us in Vietnam and that's what is screwing us now. No, what screwed us in Vietnam was that the millitary was trying to fight WWII agaisnt guerilla tactics, and that just plain doesn't work. They also played a part in it. On one of their holidays we scored a massive success against the Viet Cong, losing very few men. However the news called it a major defeat in which we lost hundreds of men. They helped turn opinion against the war, making it seem like we were royalling getting killed. It also kept politicians from letting the soldiers do what the needed to do.Jahoclave What we really need to do is woop the s**t out of the people causing the problem. What problem? Terrorism the red herring? This was more of the, if we're going to do it, we should just do it.Jahoclave Not just go in there and p***y-foot around. Treat the entire middle-east like the warzone it is and just lay down wanton destruction on terrorist institutions. It's generally considered a bad idea to treat foreign powers like they aren't there, and you can be damn sure that we wouldn't be able to muster enough warm bodies for that without a draft. Our forces are already stretched out and suffering forced renlistment. Well I was more of the dropping bombs from 30,000 feet, I don't see ground invasions neccisary. We know where training camps are, blow them, even if nobody is there.Jahoclave Especially considering we can have GPS guided carpet bombing. So we MEANT to kill all those civilians we hit with them? No I mean we should target specific targets, and then overkill them. Jahoclave We shouldn't be waiting for insurgents to come to us. We should be going door to door kicking their a** at every chance. "Insurgent" means "Rebel". They're civilians, and can be identified only when they get caught red-handed. Hince going door to door and catching them. It also encourages the citizens to fight insurgancy in order to get our troops to leave. What you are proposing, then, is a policy of full-blown genocide. I never said to kill anybody. I meant to search the houses for ammunition, bombs, etc... Of course you know some soldier is going to go too far and ******** it up anyways.Jahoclave It's still sad, considering all the techonology and ability that the Western powers have, that they simply refuse to flex their muscle and prove that they aren't going to put up with this sort of s**t from other countries. You either play nice, or you get your a** wooped. Ironicly, it was the US flexing it's muscle and not playing nice that caused the problems that we're allegedly trying to fix. Well mines more of the, I don't give a s**t if you're our allies or not, start a way and you're getting bombed. A lot of my policy towards war doesn't really go with out current situations. I don't start, I finish.Jahoclave Then again, we wouldn't be in this mess right now if it wasn't for our genius allies of Britian and France screwing over the middle east after WWII. Saddam was installed after we promoted a coup against the democratic government of Iraq out of fear that they might side with the USSR. He was loyal until Bush Sr stabbed him in the back by hinting he should invade Kuwait to keep them from causing an economic collapse in Iraq by underselling on oil. I was refering more to the unrest in the middle east due to unkept promises and interfernces by Britian and France after the war. Not just what is going on with Iraq and Saddaam.Osama bin Laden was trained for and funded to conduct terrorist acts against the USSR. Sure, Israel is a HUGE part of it, but if we weren't funding them to the tune of the combined GNP of half the middle east per day then they wouldn't be blaming us so much, would they? stare True, but they could also realise that if they weren't being such jealous pricks, and allowing these terrorists to spread hate, they'd get help as well. Though my policy is pretty much that we should look mighty and powerful will avoiding war, and put more pressure on political leaders to keep their countries from going to war. And granting asylum to any soldier of forgien nations that refuses to fight in a war, or some other hypocritical thing that doesn't do that for our soldiers, who wouldn't be fighting for the most part anyways. Basically, if we do wind up having to fight, I don't want to be sitting around passively fighting. I want to beat them into submission as quick as possibly to prevent farther loss of life.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:28 pm
High_Assassin By now, you have almost Certainly heard about "Harry the Nazi." I heard about it on Tv. Since everyone else seems to be making a big deal out of it, I guess we ought to discuss it. I feel that Prince Harry did nothing wrong. I think that what a person wears or what his/her opinions are on anything are their own business. The Nazis were racist, so this is about racism. I think that racism is a set of opinions that a person holds, and the right to express those opinions is protected under freedom of speech. If this had happened in the U.S., it would be constitutionally legal. (I don't know how this works in Britain.) Whether racism is right or not is not the issue here. The issue is if it should be legal to express or not. ( I personally think racism is Wrong, but if someone else doesn't, I don't think I or anybody else has the right to stop them from expressing that view.) I think freedom of speech is the right to hold and express opinions, even if society doesn't agree with it. What do you guys think? P.S. (I know, I know. Martin Luther King Day is probably the wrong time to bring this up. But oh well.) Does a Nazi uniform at a costume ball make you a racist? Hmmm. Think about the old TV show of Hogans Hero's. The guy who played Col. Klink was a jew and had relatives who died in the camps. Was he a racist? How many times you seen movies with men in nazi regalia. I am not trying to be an arse, but I really think people are just too sensitive. Suppose Harry dressed as El Cid or a Vlad the Impaler. I do not think it would imply he hates Moors or Turks. I guess it boils down to context. If Harry had gone to a holocaust memorial dressed in that manner, then fine, he is an idiot. If he had been seen at a neo-nazi rally, then fine, he is a racist. But a costume party is just a party with a bunch of people dressed up like whatever. Seems to me that this is just more symbolism over substance and the people who make thier living getting their panties in a wad went looking to justify their jobs.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:16 pm
High_Assassin Time to move on. There has been a bit of talk about Steriod use by Athletes. I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. On the one hand, theres the issue of freedom to do as you wish with your own body. On the other hand, there's the issue of having unfair advantage, and the fact that Steriods are dangerous. And another thing. If Steriods were taken off of the Banned list, then the ones that spent the most money on them would be the best perormers, so the ones that are truley dedicated to the game and worked out would be at a disadvantage. In short, Steriod users could end the careers of non-steriod players. What do you people think on this issue? Passing laws based on stopping an unfair advantage is a bit of a sticky wicket. Really should we shackle Deon Sanders because he can run faster than other players? Also think about all the high tech computerized gizmo's for improving batter's swings and whatnot. You look at how players trained 20 or 30 years ago and compare that to today, big difference. I think the push to beat old records and win more games has forced the players into the next logical step to improve performance. Steroids are dangerous, but so what. Professional ball players before steroids retired with blown out knees, shot out wrist, bad backs, and plan worn out bodies. Now add to that the risks of brain cancer. Mohammad Ali took so many hits to the head he does not know who he is today, and nobody cares. Most people will only complain when their team or guy does not win, not what they did to win. Until the fans start demanding the game be a game, baseball players will do what they feel they have to do to stay on top. Personally, I love baseball and I do not like the idea of Dow Chemical manufacturing my favorite team. But until the rest of the fans and the players union see this, we are stuck. P.S. The player's union for years has opposed steroid testing it has not been the owners fighting testing.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:30 pm
Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave That's what screwed us in Vietnam and that's what is screwing us now. No, what screwed us in Vietnam was that the millitary was trying to fight WWII agaisnt guerilla tactics, and that just plain doesn't work. They also played a part in it. On one of their holidays we scored a massive success against the Viet Cong, losing very few men. However the news called it a major defeat in which we lost hundreds of men. They helped turn opinion against the war, making it seem like we were royalling getting killed. It also kept politicians from letting the soldiers do what the needed to do.You know, those weren't exactly the days of digital links to the battlefield with live broadcasts. Communications sucked in general, and attempting to get facts out of the jungle was somewhere between futile and daunting. There's also the fact that there WAS a lot of ******** s**t going down over there - even if the media reported that one battle accurately, that still doesn't change the number of americans who got shipped home freight. While the media is many things, a mass-murderer is not one of them. People are bad at math. Very bad. They're told soembody died, it's a tragedy. They're told it's a hundred, it's not much more of a shock. Show them the flag-draped coffins and they'll treat the two vastly differently. Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave What we really need to do is woop the s**t out of the people causing the problem. What problem? Terrorism the red herring? This was more of the, if we're going to do it, we should just do it.Terrorism is far less of a problem than most things. Such as pork spending, social security, and welfare. People just seem to like problems where you can apply bullets more, I guess. Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave Not just go in there and p***y-foot around. Treat the entire middle-east like the warzone it is and just lay down wanton destruction on terrorist institutions. It's generally considered a bad idea to treat foreign powers like they aren't there, and you can be damn sure that we wouldn't be able to muster enough warm bodies for that without a draft. Our forces are already stretched out and suffering forced renlistment. Well I was more of the dropping bombs from 30,000 feet, I don't see ground invasions neccisary. We know where training camps are, blow them, even if nobody is there.So you're saying that you think bombing other nations isn't going to have the same result as a land assault? Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave Especially considering we can have GPS guided carpet bombing. So we MEANT to kill all those civilians we hit with them? No I mean we should target specific targets, and then overkill them. GPS isn't much better than deadfire. Yes, you're more likely to hit the target, but the target is whatever the systems are set for, not whatever you want to have destroyed. Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave We shouldn't be waiting for insurgents to come to us. We should be going door to door kicking their a** at every chance. "Insurgent" means "Rebel". They're civilians, and can be identified only when they get caught red-handed. Hince going door to door and catching them. It also encourages the citizens to fight insurgancy in order to get our troops to leave. Or kill our troops to make them leave. You must really like being hated, I guess. Well, that or you have no patience and planning skills. Jahoclave Tanasha What you are proposing, then, is a policy of full-blown genocide. I never said to kill anybody. I meant to search the houses for ammunition, bombs, etc... Of course you know some soldier is going to go too far and ******** it up anyways.Yes, you can use the magic anti-americanism detector to tell the otherwise identicle armed civilian apart from the armed insurgent. ... That was sarcasm, just in case you don't realize it. Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave It's still sad, considering all the techonology and ability that the Western powers have, that they simply refuse to flex their muscle and prove that they aren't going to put up with this sort of s**t from other countries. You either play nice, or you get your a** wooped. Ironicly, it was the US flexing it's muscle and not playing nice that caused the problems that we're allegedly trying to fix. Well mines more of the, I don't give a s**t if you're our allies or not, start a way and you're getting bombed. A lot of my policy towards war doesn't really go with out current situations. I don't start, I finish.The only thing your proposed methods could finish is the world. They wouldn't solve anything. Do you ever think about what the consequences of an action would be? Are you completely incapable of judging basic human responses? Jahoclave Tanasha Jahoclave Then again, we wouldn't be in this mess right now if it wasn't for our genius allies of Britian and France screwing over the middle east after WWII. Saddam was installed after we promoted a coup against the democratic government of Iraq out of fear that they might side with the USSR. He was loyal until Bush Sr stabbed him in the back by hinting he should invade Kuwait to keep them from causing an economic collapse in Iraq by underselling on oil. I was refering more to the unrest in the middle east due to unkept promises and interfernces by Britian and France after the war. Not just what is going on with Iraq and Saddaam.I'm citing examples. We ******** over the middle east more than any other nation. Jahoclave Tanasha Osama bin Laden was trained for and funded to conduct terrorist acts against the USSR. Sure, Israel is a HUGE part of it, but if we weren't funding them to the tune of the combined GNP of half the middle east per day then they wouldn't be blaming us so much, would they? stare True, but they could also realise that if they weren't being such jealous pricks, and allowing these terrorists to spread hate, they'd get help as well. So you're a jealous p***k if you want your home back after it's forcibly siezed from you? Great, I expect the deed to your house delivered to me by the end of the week - by the way, you're evicted effective immediately. Jahoclave Tanasha Though my policy is pretty much that we should look mighty and powerful will avoiding war, and put more pressure on political leaders to keep their countries from going to war. And granting asylum to any soldier of forgien nations that refuses to fight in a war, or some other hypocritical thing that doesn't do that for our soldiers, who wouldn't be fighting for the most part anyways. Basically, if we do wind up having to fight, I don't want to be sitting around passively fighting. I want to beat them into submission as quick as possibly to prevent farther loss of life. There's a large difference between looking strong and looking like a strong bully, and it's hard to NOT look like a bully when you go around beating on other nations. You can't beat covert guerilla tactics with brute force, and trying it just makes it worse - delecate surgery should not be conducted with a broadsword. By the way, you lose points for failure to at least try to use the quote system properly.
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:22 am
Tanasha, as much as a tried to be civil. Go ******** yourself. You're not even trying to get what I say. Especially when I say ammunition and guns, it's kind of obvious they have weapons. I don't need some magic detector. Stop being such a god damn troll.
And in no way am I going to sit here and be treated like a damn ignorant child. If you want to be an elitest p***k, go do it somewhere else.
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:08 pm
Um, I don't quite know about whats going on, so my facts may be a little inaccurate, but from what I read in the Tampa Tribune, Senator Jim Davis is retiring sometime this June. The Democrats are having a frenzy, the Repubicans are promising a canidate, and the Libertarians? Nothing. Not a peep that I've heard, anyway. I THINK Jim Davis is from Florida, and according to the LP Canidates list, No Libertarians from Florida are running in 2005. Are we planning to enter this? I want to vote for the Libertarian Canidate, and I don't see one. gonk Whats going on here?
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:35 pm
High_Assassin Um, I don't quite know about whats going on, so my facts may be a little inaccurate, but from what I read in the Tampa Tribune, Senator Jim Davis is retiring sometime this June. The Democrats are having a frenzy, the Repubicans are promising a canidate, and the Libertarians? Nothing. Not a peep that I've heard, anyway. I THINK Jim Davis is from Florida, and according to the LP Canidates list, No Libertarians from Florida are running in 2005. Are we planning to enter this? I want to vote for the Libertarian Canidate, and I don't see one. gonk Whats going on here? Hmm.. http://www.house.gov/jimdavis/Apparently he's a Rep. for district 11 (yours?) http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/26/Knowyourcandidates/US_HOUSE_11.shtmlSeems the libertarian candidate trying to unseat him next time around is Robert Johnson. http://www.uselections.com/fl/fl.htmThe senator you might be talking about is Bob Graham, who is a Democrat and is retiring. There appears to be quite a few Democrats, Repubs, and a few Independants lined up to fill that spot, it's early though, I bet a Lib will come up soon.
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:05 pm
Jahoclave Tanasha, as much as a tried to be civil. Go ******** yourself. You're not even trying to get what I say. I understand what you're saying, it's simply absurd. Jahoclave Especially when I say ammunition and guns, it's kind of obvious they have weapons. I don't need some magic detector. You assumed that ONLY insurgents have guns, when in truth Civilians are far better armed over there than they are over here. Telling one armed person dressed like a civilian from another armed person dressed like a civilian based entirely on some abstract quality is not possible, and therefore requires magic. You know, you'd make a good liberal - you have very effective suggestion for gun control. Jahoclave Stop being such a god damn troll. I'm not trolling, I'm raising valid arguments with sarcasm inversely proportional to the amount of logic apparently exhibited by each point to which I am responding. Personally, I'd say anybody who suggests door-to-door executions is a troll.
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:31 pm
Tanasha Jahoclave Tanasha, as much as a tried to be civil. Go ******** yourself. You're not even trying to get what I say. I understand what you're saying, it's simply absurd. Jahoclave Especially when I say ammunition and guns, it's kind of obvious they have weapons. I don't need some magic detector. You assumed that ONLY insurgents have guns, when in truth Civilians are far better armed over there than they are over here. Telling one armed person dressed like a civilian from another armed person dressed like a civilian based entirely on some abstract quality is not possible, and therefore requires magic. You know, you'd make a good liberal - you have very effective suggestion for gun control. Jahoclave Stop being such a god damn troll. I'm not trolling, I'm raising valid arguments with sarcasm inversely proportional to the amount of logic apparently exhibited by each point to which I am responding. Personally, I'd say anybody who suggests door-to-door executions is a troll. A. It's not absurd, it's called total warfare and it's been used for centuries. B. Suicide vests and heavy weapons are not so hard to determine. C. It's a warzone D. You're not just using sarcasm, you're insulting me as well with some of your comments. E. I never said anything about excutions. Arrests maybe, but nothing about killing anybody. I'm not even for killing anybody if it can be avoided. The point is that I think if we have to fight a war we shouldn't hold back. Though, if it wasn't for the damn Truman Doctrine we wouldn't be in half this mess. F. I'd appreciate it if you would stop trying to put words in my mouth like saying I'm advocating door-to-door excutions.
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