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DanskiWolf

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:39 pm


itsthatKat

There is no such thing as "Jewish blood", at least in a biological sense. There are Jews of all "races", but Jewish spiritual lineage travels through maternal lines, not paternal. If their mothers weren't Jewish, they aren't Jewish.


I'm using "Jew" in the secular sense and a Russian context (since we're discussing Soviet migrants). In Russia if you were a Jew, not by religion but by ancestral links to the Yiddish-speaking descendants of the Israelites (who I'd call ethnic Ashkenaz Jews) , then you would have this as your "nationality" printed on your passport. Not only that, but since you inherit your father's surname your Average Joe (or I suppose Average Ivan) would view you in the context of your father's surname. Therefore, while someone with a Jewish dad would be discriminated against, such a thing would be unlikely to happen to someone with a maternal Jewish grandma or great-grandma.

And in the Russian language, the word Yevrei does in fact imply a person of Jewish/Hebraic/whatever-you-wanna-call-it ethnicity. The term Yudei, which is a rather uncommon word, means someone who practices Judaism. That's just the way it goes in Russia. If you're name is David Abramovich Kaplinsky no one is going to ask for your maternal records before beating the crap out of you.

The Law of Return was supposed to save people from anti-Semitism. Therefore having it only based on Orthodox halakha would be silly. Imagine if someone was of overwhelming Jewish descent, but their mother's mother's mother turned out to be gentile...to reject such a person from their ancestral homeland would be ridiculous.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:42 pm


BTW Behatzlacha, as a matter of interest, did you have to "convert" or were you simply allowed to practice Liberal Judaism like any child born to a Jewish mother?

(I'm just interested, in my eyes you'd be Jewish even if you were a pork-eating atheist wink )

DanskiWolf


itsthatKat

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:49 pm


Hmm yes, perhaps you are right in this context. However to be fair, in regards to collective psychology, Russians are a few years behind the West in modern liberal reasoning, in comparison to nations like ... France for example. e.g. the concept of race and nation being intertwined, or even the concept of "race" at all, although Japan is also similar in this aspect even considering it's modern developed status. But nevertheless, to see "Jews" as a "blood-tied race" rather than one tied by spiritual bond and Torah is primitive and lead to things like Shoah.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:24 pm


itsthatKat
Hmm yes, perhaps you are right in this context. However to be fair, in regards to collective psychology, Russians are a few years behind the West in modern liberal reasoning, in comparison to nations like ... France for example. e.g. the concept of race and nation being intertwined, or even the concept of "race" at all, although Japan is also similar in this aspect even considering it's modern developed status. But nevertheless, to see "Jews" as a "blood-tied race" rather than one tied by spiritual bond and Torah is primitive and lead to things like Shoah.


I also disagree with the matrilineal definition- it just doesn't seem right to me...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:56 pm


DanskiWolf
BTW Behatzlacha, as a matter of interest, did you have to "convert" or were you simply allowed to practice Liberal Judaism like any child born to a Jewish mother?

(I'm just interested, in my eyes you'd be Jewish even if you were a pork-eating atheist wink )


I had to prove my faith through study and dedication. That's all.
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