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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:00 pm
OneWithDunamis Or if you feel comfortable, why don't we tackle the root of the issues as a family? What's bothering you? What's driving you to the brink of suicide? Anything any one of us can help? Technically no. But a friend of mine decided to push me away in the most hurtful way imaginable and so it's a double-whammy of being afraid for her and being hurt myself. Of all the horrible situations, friends having little to no reason for abandoning me is one that I could never quite avoid being hurt about. It seems as though people are downright drawn to hurting me, like it's everyone's favorite pass-time now. "Oh let's see if we do [this] or [that] and see how angry she gets! Oh man if she cries that'll be so awesome!"
I just can't stand it anymore.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:07 pm
Mistifear I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies... I'm also not going to bash, but I am going to point out one thing: as long as you are a Christian (meaning that you've accepted the gift of Christ's salvation) then suicide is not something that you can be held accountable for on judgment day. If God punishes you for one sin, despite that you are a Christian, than God's work through Christ would be completely invalid.
It is through Christ that we have found the final forgiveness for all of the sins that we commit, past, present and future. Therefore, if you commit suicide, and are a Christian, you will not be punished for it.
Anyway, that's my two cents on the comment Babbalui made. I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... I agree with you. Even though Babbalui had a really good point and everything, it's like he's saying that Jesus forgives you, BUT [strings attached]. Of course I should refrain from sinning, but suicide, as bad as it is, is NOT an exception to Salvation. It's just that for UNBELIEVERS, they're punishment may be more powerful because it only adds on to their heaping pile of guilt. This is the struggle; the fact that you're forgiven, but not sinless yet.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:04 pm
ChibiLi Mistifear I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreaka
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies... I'm also not going to bash, but I am going to point out one thing: as long as you are a Christian (meaning that you've accepted the gift of Christ's salvation) then suicide is not something that you can be held accountable for on judgment day. If God punishes you for one sin, despite that you are a Christian, than God's work through Christ would be completely invalid.
It is through Christ that we have found the final forgiveness for all of the sins that we commit, past, present and future. Therefore, if you commit suicide, and are a Christian, you will not be punished for it.
Anyway, that's my two cents on the comment Babbalui made. I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... I agree with you. Even though Babbalui had a really good point and everything, it's like he's saying that Jesus forgives you, BUT [strings attached]. Of course I should refrain from sinning, but suicide, as bad as it is, is NOT an exception to Salvation. It's just that for UNBELIEVERS, they're punishment may be more powerful because it only adds on to their heaping pile of guilt. This is the struggle; the fact that you're forgiven, but not sinless yet. Thing is, we actually have to recognize our sin and repent. we cannot just expect to just be forgiven in each little turn of our lives. If it were that way, more people would be Christians because, hey! they don't have to worry about Hell!
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:42 am
Babbalui Let me rephrase; It's a sin that you can't repent for after death. Also, if you are christian and follow the teachings of God, then you wouldn't commit suicide in the first place, because it specifically says in the Bible not to. I found places in Corinthians, though there are likely other places that it talks about it. Given time I can find more, though at this point I don't think it matters. I just wanted to speak to all of you who may not know much about the Bible and are considering suicide. I am not using it as a scare tactic or to offend. God knows I don't want you to get angry at this. Another point that I think should be mentioned (I don't want this to be an open debate, but I want to throw this out there) if "He's uhm God," and can forgive suicide, then wouldn't that mean he'd forgive all sinners despite their sins against him, known or not? If he was to forgive something like that (Which I'm not saying it doesn't happen), then wouldn't he just forgive everyone and keep Satan from having any victory at all? But enough of that. I am saying that if you are a believer that the Bible is God's Word and it is true, then you are hopefully taking those verses to heart. I found exact verses that tell you specifically that "You are that temple," and "Therefore honor God with your body," and "if anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him." "Anyone" means ANYONE, including you. Committing suicide is destroying God's temple, therefore God will destroy you. That's as plain as it gets right there and that's directly from the Bible. There is no misinterpretation because it spells it out for you loud and clear. I've said my peace. I do not want to argue and I am just sharing with you what we are all taught (or should be taught) from the Bible. I have taken to heart your ideas as I hope you all take to heart my ideas and the Word from the Bible and from God. I know that God doesn't want you to kill yourself. He has a purpose for all of us here on earth. What good will you bring from killing yourself before you fulfill that purpose? If you have family problems, they will only increase for your family if you kill yourself. My brother was a suicide. He hung himself. I loved him. This even chokes me up to think about it. He was not a good person and I didn't look up to him at all, but I still loved him. I bawled my eyes out for days when he died and I still have trouble with it. It's been two years. If you think no one loves you, then go ahead and kill yourself, but just know that once you do, you'll be missed and cried for whether people do or do not show it now. Someone cares for you deeply. By killing yourself, all you are doing is causing that person pain. If anything, think about that person. If you don't think you're worth it, just think about that one person, whether you know who it is or not, that truly cares about you. They exist. Please, don't cause them the pain that has been done to me and my own family. Again. It's not the one unforgivable sin. God will forgive you. If he is a caring loving and UNDERSTANDING father then he will forgive you.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:32 am
Dark Angel Rai Babbalui Let me rephrase; It's a sin that you can't repent for after death. Also, if you are christian and follow the teachings of God, then you wouldn't commit suicide in the first place, because it specifically says in the Bible not to. I found places in Corinthians, though there are likely other places that it talks about it. Given time I can find more, though at this point I don't think it matters. I just wanted to speak to all of you who may not know much about the Bible and are considering suicide. I am not using it as a scare tactic or to offend. God knows I don't want you to get angry at this. Another point that I think should be mentioned (I don't want this to be an open debate, but I want to throw this out there) if "He's uhm God," and can forgive suicide, then wouldn't that mean he'd forgive all sinners despite their sins against him, known or not? If he was to forgive something like that (Which I'm not saying it doesn't happen), then wouldn't he just forgive everyone and keep Satan from having any victory at all? But enough of that. I am saying that if you are a believer that the Bible is God's Word and it is true, then you are hopefully taking those verses to heart. I found exact verses that tell you specifically that "You are that temple," and "Therefore honor God with your body," and "if anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him." "Anyone" means ANYONE, including you. Committing suicide is destroying God's temple, therefore God will destroy you. That's as plain as it gets right there and that's directly from the Bible. There is no misinterpretation because it spells it out for you loud and clear. I've said my peace. I do not want to argue and I am just sharing with you what we are all taught (or should be taught) from the Bible. I have taken to heart your ideas as I hope you all take to heart my ideas and the Word from the Bible and from God. I know that God doesn't want you to kill yourself. He has a purpose for all of us here on earth. What good will you bring from killing yourself before you fulfill that purpose? If you have family problems, they will only increase for your family if you kill yourself. My brother was a suicide. He hung himself. I loved him. This even chokes me up to think about it. He was not a good person and I didn't look up to him at all, but I still loved him. I bawled my eyes out for days when he died and I still have trouble with it. It's been two years. If you think no one loves you, then go ahead and kill yourself, but just know that once you do, you'll be missed and cried for whether people do or do not show it now. Someone cares for you deeply. By killing yourself, all you are doing is causing that person pain. If anything, think about that person. If you don't think you're worth it, just think about that one person, whether you know who it is or not, that truly cares about you. They exist. Please, don't cause them the pain that has been done to me and my own family. Again. It's not the one unforgivable sin. God will forgive you. If he is a caring loving and UNDERSTANDING father then he will forgive you. I did rephrase my comment and we've already covered all of this. Just look back over the past posts and it's all there. I've said my peace on forgiveness. To add to Sloan's comment, I agree. If we were constantly forgiven despite our sins even if we never asked for it, then we'd never have to worry about Hell. It's the matter that we have to try. God puts trials in our lives to test our faith. It's our choice whether we are willing to endure those trials and pass God's test. If we trust in Him, we let Him take the reigns and trust that all will work itself out. (I touched on this earlier, I believe) As for being pushed away by a friend for no reason at all.... Well, chibi... I've lost family to suicide. My brother killed himself because his girlfriend left him and took his child. It hurts to leave without a reason, but to give a reason and know your faults in the eyes of another person hurts much more. Though, it gives us a chance to fix our faults or even identify if they are true faults. They may not be our faults, but misperceptions of that person judging us. My brother killed himself because his girlfriend left him, though she also refused to give him a second chance when he tried to change for her. It wasn't his fault at that point, but he refused to see it that way and took his own life because he blamed himself for the faults of another. I've lost friends the same way. They left for no reason at all and, to this day, have left me in the dark. I've come to terms with it and I have my peace in the understanding that they didn't have the will and strength to talk to me about the problems in our friendship (if there were any) and it wasn't my fault that they left. If a person can't tell you why they left, then it's their own insecurities and judgement that blinds them. That is how I have come to understand it and it has given me peace of mind to know that they played their role in my life and it is time to move on. God has bigger, better people to help me along my walk of faith, as he does with you and all of us.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:53 am
Babbalui Dark Angel Rai Babbalui Let me rephrase; It's a sin that you can't repent for after death. Also, if you are christian and follow the teachings of God, then you wouldn't commit suicide in the first place, because it specifically says in the Bible not to. I found places in Corinthians, though there are likely other places that it talks about it. Given time I can find more, though at this point I don't think it matters. I just wanted to speak to all of you who may not know much about the Bible and are considering suicide. I am not using it as a scare tactic or to offend. God knows I don't want you to get angry at this. Another point that I think should be mentioned (I don't want this to be an open debate, but I want to throw this out there) if "He's uhm God," and can forgive suicide, then wouldn't that mean he'd forgive all sinners despite their sins against him, known or not? If he was to forgive something like that (Which I'm not saying it doesn't happen), then wouldn't he just forgive everyone and keep Satan from having any victory at all? But enough of that. I am saying that if you are a believer that the Bible is God's Word and it is true, then you are hopefully taking those verses to heart. I found exact verses that tell you specifically that "You are that temple," and "Therefore honor God with your body," and "if anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him." "Anyone" means ANYONE, including you. Committing suicide is destroying God's temple, therefore God will destroy you. That's as plain as it gets right there and that's directly from the Bible. There is no misinterpretation because it spells it out for you loud and clear. I've said my peace. I do not want to argue and I am just sharing with you what we are all taught (or should be taught) from the Bible. I have taken to heart your ideas as I hope you all take to heart my ideas and the Word from the Bible and from God. I know that God doesn't want you to kill yourself. He has a purpose for all of us here on earth. What good will you bring from killing yourself before you fulfill that purpose? If you have family problems, they will only increase for your family if you kill yourself. My brother was a suicide. He hung himself. I loved him. This even chokes me up to think about it. He was not a good person and I didn't look up to him at all, but I still loved him. I bawled my eyes out for days when he died and I still have trouble with it. It's been two years. If you think no one loves you, then go ahead and kill yourself, but just know that once you do, you'll be missed and cried for whether people do or do not show it now. Someone cares for you deeply. By killing yourself, all you are doing is causing that person pain. If anything, think about that person. If you don't think you're worth it, just think about that one person, whether you know who it is or not, that truly cares about you. They exist. Please, don't cause them the pain that has been done to me and my own family. Again. It's not the one unforgivable sin. God will forgive you. If he is a caring loving and UNDERSTANDING father then he will forgive you. I did rephrase my comment and we've already covered all of this. Just look back over the past posts and it's all there. I've said my peace on forgiveness. To add to Sloan's comment, I agree. If we were constantly forgiven despite our sins even if we never asked for it, then we'd never have to worry about Hell. It's the matter that we have to try. God puts trials in our lives to test our faith. It's our choice whether we are willing to endure those trials and pass God's test. If we trust in Him, we let Him take the reigns and trust that all will work itself out. (I touched on this earlier, I believe) As for being pushed away by a friend for no reason at all.... Well, chibi... I've lost family to suicide. My brother killed himself because his girlfriend left him and took his child. It hurts to leave without a reason, but to give a reason and know your faults in the eyes of another person hurts much more. Though, it gives us a chance to fix our faults or even identify if they are true faults. They may not be our faults, but misperceptions of that person judging us. My brother killed himself because his girlfriend left him, though she also refused to give him a second chance when he tried to change for her. It wasn't his fault at that point, but he refused to see it that way and took his own life because he blamed himself for the faults of another. I've lost friends the same way. They left for no reason at all and, to this day, have left me in the dark. I've come to terms with it and I have my peace in the understanding that they didn't have the will and strength to talk to me about the problems in our friendship (if there were any) and it wasn't my fault that they left. If a person can't tell you why they left, then it's their own insecurities and judgement that blinds them. That is how I have come to understand it and it has given me peace of mind to know that they played their role in my life and it is time to move on. God has bigger, better people to help me along my walk of faith, as he does with you and all of us. The unforgivable sin is blasphemy. Go to http://www.carm.org/questions/suicide.htm and look at the bottom for the true answer to this question. Actually... I will quote it here. "Is the Christian forgiven for suicide? Yes. But suicide is not an option. We do not have the right to take our own lives. That belongs to God." Basically, if you take your life, you are not trusting God to take care of you and help you in your struggles. One major part of our religion is TRUST! There are other options to suicide. PLEASE contact ANYONE about this. (check out the we site I mentioned earlier - To Write Love on Her Arms) Give yourself, and God, a chance to change your life and your outlook on life. You have been listed on my prayer list.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:23 pm
SloanSage ChibiLi Mistifear I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreaka
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies... I'm also not going to bash, but I am going to point out one thing: as long as you are a Christian (meaning that you've accepted the gift of Christ's salvation) then suicide is not something that you can be held accountable for on judgment day. If God punishes you for one sin, despite that you are a Christian, than God's work through Christ would be completely invalid.
It is through Christ that we have found the final forgiveness for all of the sins that we commit, past, present and future. Therefore, if you commit suicide, and are a Christian, you will not be punished for it.
Anyway, that's my two cents on the comment Babbalui made. I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... I agree with you. Even though Babbalui had a really good point and everything, it's like he's saying that Jesus forgives you, BUT [strings attached]. Of course I should refrain from sinning, but suicide, as bad as it is, is NOT an exception to Salvation. It's just that for UNBELIEVERS, they're punishment may be more powerful because it only adds on to their heaping pile of guilt. This is the struggle; the fact that you're forgiven, but not sinless yet. Thing is, we actually have to recognize our sin and repent. we cannot just expect to just be forgiven in each little turn of our lives. If it were that way, more people would be Christians because, hey! they don't have to worry about Hell! I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
But, Christ is the ultimate confession of our sins. It's only because of Christ can we go through life without fear of mistakes. It is important for us to confess our sins to God, but one unconfessed sin in the heart of a believer will not ruin their hopes of getting in to Heaven.
It is arguable, and I believe this myself, that true Christians accept salvation, and then have a strong desire not to do something wrong. Therefore, the people that go around, doing things that they know are a sin, and then claim to be Christians, may not actually be Christians.
Of course, I can't know someone's heart, so I can never truly speak for them, but the way things work is usually once someone puts their faith in Christ, they tend to lean more towards following him. Sure, we make mistakes, but God will not hold those against us anymore because of Christ.
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die...
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:55 pm
Mistifear SloanSage ChibiLi Mistifear I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreaka
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies... I'm also not going to bash, but I am going to point out one thing: as long as you are a Christian (meaning that you've accepted the gift of Christ's salvation) then suicide is not something that you can be held accountable for on judgment day. If God punishes you for one sin, despite that you are a Christian, than God's work through Christ would be completely invalid.
It is through Christ that we have found the final forgiveness for all of the sins that we commit, past, present and future. Therefore, if you commit suicide, and are a Christian, you will not be punished for it.
Anyway, that's my two cents on the comment Babbalui made. I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... I agree with you. Even though Babbalui had a really good point and everything, it's like he's saying that Jesus forgives you, BUT [strings attached]. Of course I should refrain from sinning, but suicide, as bad as it is, is NOT an exception to Salvation. It's just that for UNBELIEVERS, they're punishment may be more powerful because it only adds on to their heaping pile of guilt. This is the struggle; the fact that you're forgiven, but not sinless yet. Thing is, we actually have to recognize our sin and repent. we cannot just expect to just be forgiven in each little turn of our lives. If it were that way, more people would be Christians because, hey! they don't have to worry about Hell! I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
But, Christ is the ultimate confession of our sins. It's only because of Christ can we go through life without fear of mistakes. It is important for us to confess our sins to God, but one unconfessed sin in the heart of a believer will not ruin their hopes of getting in to Heaven.
It is arguable, and I believe this myself, that true Christians accept salvation, and then have a strong desire not to do something wrong. Therefore, the people that go around, doing things that they know are a sin, and then claim to be Christians, may not actually be Christians.
Of course, I can't know someone's heart, so I can never truly speak for them, but the way things work is usually once someone puts their faith in Christ, they tend to lean more towards following him. Sure, we make mistakes, but God will not hold those against us anymore because of Christ.
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... heart Well-said.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:04 pm
ChibiLi Mistifear SloanSage ChibiLi Mistifear I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreaka
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies... I'm also not going to bash, but I am going to point out one thing: as long as you are a Christian (meaning that you've accepted the gift of Christ's salvation) then suicide is not something that you can be held accountable for on judgment day. If God punishes you for one sin, despite that you are a Christian, than God's work through Christ would be completely invalid.
It is through Christ that we have found the final forgiveness for all of the sins that we commit, past, present and future. Therefore, if you commit suicide, and are a Christian, you will not be punished for it.
Anyway, that's my two cents on the comment Babbalui made. I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... I agree with you. Even though Babbalui had a really good point and everything, it's like he's saying that Jesus forgives you, BUT [strings attached]. Of course I should refrain from sinning, but suicide, as bad as it is, is NOT an exception to Salvation. It's just that for UNBELIEVERS, they're punishment may be more powerful because it only adds on to their heaping pile of guilt. This is the struggle; the fact that you're forgiven, but not sinless yet. Thing is, we actually have to recognize our sin and repent. we cannot just expect to just be forgiven in each little turn of our lives. If it were that way, more people would be Christians because, hey! they don't have to worry about Hell! I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
But, Christ is the ultimate confession of our sins. It's only because of Christ can we go through life without fear of mistakes. It is important for us to confess our sins to God, but one unconfessed sin in the heart of a believer will not ruin their hopes of getting in to Heaven.
It is arguable, and I believe this myself, that true Christians accept salvation, and then have a strong desire not to do something wrong. Therefore, the people that go around, doing things that they know are a sin, and then claim to be Christians, may not actually be Christians.
Of course, I can't know someone's heart, so I can never truly speak for them, but the way things work is usually once someone puts their faith in Christ, they tend to lean more towards following him. Sure, we make mistakes, but God will not hold those against us anymore because of Christ.
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... heart Well-said. That is true. However, the fact that we consider our sins and we acknowledge the wrong we have done, it only instills in us the fact that we NEED to be less sinful. Also... Constantly being in prayer in asking for forgiveness and in asking for help in changing habits that are harmful to us actually brings us closer to God and opens us to greater understanding. THIS is the reason why we are told to pray, to communicate and have a constant dialogue with God.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:05 pm
I will say once more...
"Is the Christian forgiven for suicide? Yes. But suicide is not an option. We do not have the right to take our own lives. That belongs to God."
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:34 am
SloanSage ChibiLi Mistifear SloanSage ChibiLi Mistifear I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreaka
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies... I'm also not going to bash, but I am going to point out one thing: as long as you are a Christian (meaning that you've accepted the gift of Christ's salvation) then suicide is not something that you can be held accountable for on judgment day. If God punishes you for one sin, despite that you are a Christian, than God's work through Christ would be completely invalid.
It is through Christ that we have found the final forgiveness for all of the sins that we commit, past, present and future. Therefore, if you commit suicide, and are a Christian, you will not be punished for it.
Anyway, that's my two cents on the comment Babbalui made. I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... I agree with you. Even though Babbalui had a really good point and everything, it's like he's saying that Jesus forgives you, BUT [strings attached]. Of course I should refrain from sinning, but suicide, as bad as it is, is NOT an exception to Salvation. It's just that for UNBELIEVERS, they're punishment may be more powerful because it only adds on to their heaping pile of guilt. This is the struggle; the fact that you're forgiven, but not sinless yet. Thing is, we actually have to recognize our sin and repent. we cannot just expect to just be forgiven in each little turn of our lives. If it were that way, more people would be Christians because, hey! they don't have to worry about Hell! I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
But, Christ is the ultimate confession of our sins. It's only because of Christ can we go through life without fear of mistakes. It is important for us to confess our sins to God, but one unconfessed sin in the heart of a believer will not ruin their hopes of getting in to Heaven.
It is arguable, and I believe this myself, that true Christians accept salvation, and then have a strong desire not to do something wrong. Therefore, the people that go around, doing things that they know are a sin, and then claim to be Christians, may not actually be Christians.
Of course, I can't know someone's heart, so I can never truly speak for them, but the way things work is usually once someone puts their faith in Christ, they tend to lean more towards following him. Sure, we make mistakes, but God will not hold those against us anymore because of Christ.
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... heart Well-said. That is true. However, the fact that we consider our sins and we acknowledge the wrong we have done, it only instills in us the fact that we NEED to be less sinful. Also... Constantly being in prayer in asking for forgiveness and in asking for help in changing habits that are harmful to us actually brings us closer to God and opens us to greater understanding. THIS is the reason why we are told to pray, to communicate and have a constant dialogue with God. I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
I understand what you're saying in the second part of your comment, but it seems to me that you are emphasizing the need to do good work, and to be more or less sinless to get into Heaven. I may have just misinterpreted what you were saying, but that's not salvation at all. Once you have accepted Christ, that's it, that's the final answer to everything.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't strive to be less sinful, we all should, because we are Christ followers, but being less sinful doesn't get you into Heaven.
Also, I believe that challenges and hardships are thrown at us, as you were saying, to strengthen our relationship with God through prayer and full submission to him.
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die...
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:27 pm
SloanSage I will say once more... "Is the Christian forgiven for suicide? Yes. But suicide is not an option. We do not have the right to take our own lives. That belongs to God." Agreed. I never intended for this to become an open debate, but that's almost what it became. Though, that statement that Sloan quoted is pretty much a generic summary of what I have been trying to say and what some others have mentioned as well. I did not explain it as well as that, but I will agree with that statement.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:01 am
Mistifear SloanSage ChibiLi Mistifear SloanSage That is true. However, the fact that we consider our sins and we acknowledge the wrong we have done, it only instills in us the fact that we NEED to be less sinful. Also... Constantly being in prayer in asking for forgiveness and in asking for help in changing habits that are harmful to us actually brings us closer to God and opens us to greater understanding. THIS is the reason why we are told to pray, to communicate and have a constant dialogue with God. I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
I understand what you're saying in the second part of your comment, but it seems to me that you are emphasizing the need to do good work, and to be more or less sinless to get into Heaven. I may have just misinterpreted what you were saying, but that's not salvation at all. Once you have accepted Christ, that's it, that's the final answer to everything.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't strive to be less sinful, we all should, because we are Christ followers, but being less sinful doesn't get you into Heaven.
Also, I believe that challenges and hardships are thrown at us, as you were saying, to strengthen our relationship with God through prayer and full submission to him.
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die... So... I accept Christ. Now I'm done. I can continue sinning all I want. No worries. No need to be more Christ like. No need to refrain from sinning. No need to refrain from causing others to stumble. Right? Or, at least that's what I am getting from your last line in the first paragraph. I will not take that out of context though. What I was trying to say is this: acknowledging our sin through asking forgiveness by prayer to God leads us down a stronger path of righteousness and we can change ourselves, our habits, and our deeds. This is a testimony to the world that we are different and that we are changed for the Greatest of Greats! we cannot feel close to God with a ton of sin hanging heavily on our consciences. That feeling of guilt causes us to hold back and we will not fully worship God. Nor will we fully rely on God. Basically: Acknowledge the sin, Change the habits, Feel freed from guilt, Fully release yourself to God, Feel, and be, closer to HIM!
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:16 am
Chibi: Have you hear of Superchic[k]? Here is a song from their latest album "Rock What You Got." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl9rHUUgkQkAnd here are the lyrics. Please tell me you'll fight this fight I can't see without your light I need you to breathe into my life Don't tell me this is goodbye I won't grieve - it's not yet time Each breath breathed is keeping hope alive So keep breathing Go on breathe in Keep on breathing Go on breathe in Just breathe Each breath breathed means we're alive And life means that we can find The reasons to keep on getting by And if reasons we can't find We'll make up some to get by 'Til breath by breath we'll leave this behind All you have to do is breathe This is a song of hope that you will keep on persevering through tough times. And no matter how many people leave you, there are still those who love you.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:57 pm
SloanSage So... I accept Christ. Now I'm done. I can continue sinning all I want. No worries. No need to be more Christ like. No need to refrain from sinning. No need to refrain from causing others to stumble. Right? Or, at least that's what I am getting from your last line in the first paragraph. I will not take that out of context though. What I was trying to say is this: acknowledging our sin through asking forgiveness by prayer to God leads us down a stronger path of righteousness and we can change ourselves, our habits, and our deeds. This is a testimony to the world that we are different and that we are changed for the Greatest of Greats! we cannot feel close to God with a ton of sin hanging heavily on our consciences. That feeling of guilt causes us to hold back and we will not fully worship God. Nor will we fully rely on God. Basically: Acknowledge the sin, Change the habits, Feel freed from guilt, Fully release yourself to God, Feel, and be, closer to HIM! I think I found the one
New life in my lungs
I'm guessing this is love
Pumping through my veins
Killing all my pain
You're the remedy to my heartbreak
Wouldn't have it any other way
Hope this never dies...
Thank you for pointing out my wording error, you're correct, that's not what I meant by the last line of my first paragraph. I meant that you can live your life without fear of going to hell because you made a mistake.
I think we're starting to go in circles with this little discussion, so we should probably just end it here XD
What you said makes sense, so I'll just leave it at that. 3nodding
Oh and I love Superchic[k]
I feel a little strange
You go straight to my brain
Drivin' me oh so crazy
Between the sound and lights
You got me hypnotized
And if there never comes a sunrise
Well, that'd be just fine
This will never die...
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