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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 am
Nope, this is if we losing spending etc. It's about being open with any cash flow, especially if users are donating.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:19 am
Chiakumu Hyana The site can get as big as we can cope with, without going bust. The experiment is to mimic gaia's activities, and halve the expenses (at least). America is a republic, it elects representatives to rule. However, it is a democracy because everyone votes for the president, and then for the people who are mostly in power they have elected state by state. If it wasn't for the president, America would definitely be a republic. However, if America were to freely elect every person into power, they would be a democracy. America is a representative democracy and a consitutional republic combined. ._. Taken from Wiki: For example, "the United States relies on representative democracy, but [its] system of government is much more complex than that. [It is] not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."We elect most of our officials, however, there is a few officials that are hand picked (like the cabinet, judges, etc.) We elect officials to represent us. So yes, in that reguard of electing higher ups that nominate others to certain positions we are trusting them to vote in our favor. And communism isn't a form of government. It's a economy policy. Dictatorship coupled with communism usually makes a huge mess.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:19 am
Ok lets leave this discussion and actually focus on what matters,
1. Representation: Issues that affect people greatly shall be dealt with. 2. Expnasion: We should aim to grow the site at a pace that suits the conditions. Don't get over excited and use conservative estimates of users, cash and hits etc etc. 3. Equality: No elite team of devs sitting on high while the people below suffer. We should be part of the community and be seen. 4. Intelligence: We should actually think about what we're doing before we do it. Don't do something because it seems obvious. A brief "think tank" approach should be applied so actions fit the situation rather than convention.
These are what I see as being actually important. The rest is just semantics as the Hooker said. (Belle de Jour reference +500 points)
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:25 pm
That's pretty much summarised it Ninjaking. Everything there, is a must.
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:46 am
Thats not to say I think those are the be all and end all but they should be a sort of core principle to everything we do. Adding rules and other immportant things shouldn't screw up our values. Please feel free to add anything you feel I missed because I wrote it in a hurry.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:12 am
I think flexibility is fairly important. Let the users steer where the site goes, it will expand quicker that way, and users will be happier for it. Lol, but I don't think taking equality to extreme's is a good idea. After all, you don't want users trying to suggest they can edit the code for the site. Maybe meeting on equal ground with users would be a better way of putting it than equality?
: P I don't know, I think the first concrete rule should be flexibility, which is fairly ironic when you think about it. But I'm not at all opposed to fairly general values that promote good things. But we should steer away from creating rules that could be used against us at some point, and we'd have to break our own set of morals to resolve the issue, like what I just said about equality. I don't know about you, but I want the power to ban users for annoying me. I also want them to have the power to go to someone else and get unbanned if I really have banned them unfairly.
What you got there is pretty good, as we go we can elaborate and specify rules regarding whatever needs a rule. Maybe a method for choosing rules might be in order, and eliminating rules could follow the same procedure?
Justice... I like that word, it should fit in somewhere.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:45 am
Flexibility comes under intelligence and equality covers justice. Everyone is equal and gets a fair hearing. Intelligence says we should react to a situation in the most useful way possible. Makign us flexible biggrin Damn this s**t is wack!
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:12 am
It is true that being flexible is intelligent, but I think it's more that Justice covers equality, but I don't think everyone's going to be equal, no matter what anyone does : P
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:14 am
Mayhaps but myhaps my current category of equality covers equality itself and justice. Like a sort of bigger category entirely. I think people should be equal. Equal rights for all users and devs alike. Or at least thats what we tell them.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:20 am
Yeah, but equality is overrated. Would you really want to be equal to a small child, have the same rights, and the same restrictions? I don't think so, because you have different needs physically and mentally.
But I like the idea of giving them the impression that they're all equal :/ but how to word it do it wouldn't be an outright lie...
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:27 am
Thank god they can't reas this. The truth is at the end of the day all this crap about them being equal is bull. We'll be building the site so we'll be seperate for obvious reasons. Its not as if we're going to be regulars on any forum. Equality is an illusion projected to the masses so they don't get angry.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:04 am
Banning because they annoy you? That's unfair in itself, you have to have a good reason to ban someone.
Rule are there always as boundaries, to stop us doing things, and to prevent the site turning into something none of us want.
Equality? There will be two seperate groups.
Admin and None - Admin.
Devs, and Users if you will. There will be no preferential treatment for different groups of users, regardless if they donate or not.
That is the equality we have, and it's going in the constitution.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:44 am
No preferential treatment sure but the synergy ideals are too difficult to acheive completely.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:59 pm
I'm not planning on making something big out of something small. Rather I am trying to make sure everyone gets the same level of treatment.
...explain in what context you're using the word Synergy.
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:11 am
Synergy is a harmony between two things. We cannot acheive a perfect balance. Its impossible.
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