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See, Jabels? No need to get so up in arms. 3nodding

I can see why you must be upset and I really meant what I said about not meaning to cause harm. I did not mean to offend anyone. If I did, I'm sincerely and deeply sorry and I hope you'll forgive me.

I've stated what I've come to know and have said what I felt compelled to say. I'm not saying you should agree with me because I'm not expecting you to. At least you now know where I stand on this subject.

God Bless!

Hey, take it easy. There's no need for that. I know that this is a testy issue, and that's why so many threads about it were made and locked. If accusations and fighting starts to break out, we'll have to do the same to this one.

Whether or not homosexuality is a sin is one of those things that some people will just never see eye-to-eye on, and no amount of arguing will ever change their minds. She is obviously taking the corresponding Bible passages warning against such actions very seriously. For all I know, she could think that we who believe differently than she does are heretics and unworthy of being Christian, but at least has the decency not to say so. And, until we meet God ourselves, we won't really know the answer either.

So guys, discuss all you want. I know we have a lot of strong-minded individuals in the guild, and I like that. Just cut out the poo-flinging. xd

Yeah. there's absoulutely nothing worng with agreeing to disagree. this is hardly a black-and-white issue.

And migth I remind people that we must remove the plank from our own before helping our neighbor to remove the needle from theirs... confused

Then I suppose I shall amend the wording of my earlier post to ask you to just read over what you've written and see how it might come across to everyone else before you post. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought your post was a little angry and accusatory.



Again, a point where we must agree to disagree. There ARE some things that are written in stone (yes, pun intended), but as for the rest, we're only really going to find out when we're no longer on earth. Otherwise individuals and the church itself wouldn't be so divided on so many issues. *shrug* That's my opinion, and it's really not going to change. But you're welcome to try. That's what discussion's all about after all. mrgreen


And Jabels... I like the pic. xd

Just a thought from another member from the friendly crew:

People's beliefs are just that and no amount of pushing what you think on them is going to change their mind- if anything they'll resist what you have to say.

Also, calling someone's beliefs wrong is never called for, ever. They may think you're wrong as well, but we need to be respectful.

It is not a matter of what I "think." She gave reasons for her beliefs, and her reasons were flawed. I explained why they were wrong. She can either address those points, or she can leave. The latter, which you seem to suggest is inevitable, is pathetic.



It is not disrespectful to tell someone he or she is wrong. If anything, not telling the truth about people's mistakes is less respectful than honesty. I did not just say, "You are wrong." I said, "You are wrong because of this, this and this."

If you disagree with me, fine. Explain what that I said is wrong. If nothing is wrong with it, then allowing MissMeowMeowKitty's obviously faulty explanation to be said without disagreement is tantamount to allowing heresy.

@MissMeowMeowKitty: Thank you for understanding. I hope God will lead you to His truth, whatever that may be.

@zz1000zz: The issue here is calling someone's beliefs wrong. Clearly there is a lot of grey area in an issue like this with evidence supporting both sides. While we encourage discussion telling a person they are wrong, even with evidence can come across as angry and as if you're attacking them- that's the main issue here. It is okay to explain that you disagree with person's beliefs, but we must respect what they believe. Calling them wrong, refering to it as heresy, etc is uncalled for.

Now, in the initial post I believe that MissMeowMeowKitty was simply explaining her opinion and apoligizing if she offended anyone, and then excusing herself from the discussion, which is exactly what you suggested her doing if she wasn't going to discuss it further.

As a general rule of thumb, try to avoid words with a negative connotation when disagree with someone. Let's keep the guild happy and running smoothly. Regardless if how we feel about these issues we're all brother and sisters in Christ, and like siblings, we may not always agree but we're called to love one another, so let's do thay, shall we?



Now, to all, if we could get this thread back on topic, I think that would be the best line of action.