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 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:25 pm
Ok sriously SMeyer had the entire story in her head from day one, so she already knew what was going to happen in Breaking Dawn. And if you remember she said that a vampires body is frozen... A female vampire can not get pregnant because her body would have to change, a male vampire could get a human pregnant because a male has no limit on his reproductive ability. you should really ready her interview on Lexicon... she answers all your little rants. But i seriously think that none of you who hate the book will be able to change your mind.... your putting words in SMeyers mouth she even says it herself.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:37 pm
Sakura Zom Ok sriously SMeyer had the entire story in her head from day one, so she already knew what was going to happen in Breaking Dawn. And if you remember she said that a vampires body is frozen... A female vampire can not get pregnant because her body would have to change, a male vampire could get a human pregnant because a male has no limit on his reproductive ability. you should really ready her interview on Lexicon... she answers all your little rants. But i seriously think that none of you who hate the book will be able to change your mind.... your putting words in SMeyers mouth she even says it herself.
I admit I was slightly appeased after the Q&A, but not enough. I endured through that book because I've been a fan of Twilight since before anyone knew what it was and it was sitting on the shelf alone, abused and for 2 bucks. Even when I knew there were flaws to Twilight, I waited for New Moon, knowing she'd get better. And she did. I think a lot of us have a right to spew into "little rants". They may be her characters legally, but they became ours too (in our minds and the like).
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:53 pm
I don't disagree with what you (Colourblind Crayon) said about having your own right to rant. We've been reading about these characters so long we feel like they're more than that. They're in this world that we've prided ourselves in knowing so much about, and then Breaking Dawn comes and breaks almost every rule.
I read Twilight when it first came out in 2005, and I've been following the series ever since then. I'm probably just as crazy as any fan out there, but I guess I've always tried to never have any expectations for books. I allow them to tell me the story and I don't question it. (Of course, that's incredibly hard to do with the Twilight Saga because you become so engrossed in the world you can't help but start thinking about things the way you want them to happen). But, that's what I do, and that's probably why I was not upset whatsoever with Breaking Dawn. xD Its one of the best books in the series in my opinion.
That's what I'm doing with the movie too. I'm letting them tell the story as they see it, and I have no expectations whatsoever for it. I guess, I'm really just more of a "If the author thinks its okay, then I think its okay" kind of reader. x3
But like Sakura Zom said, Stephenie's had the story in her head from day one. Her story might be a little flawed, but that's the way her story HAS BEEN. It hasn't changed much.
Okay, now I'm ranting, so I'm goin to stop. lol.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:25 pm
Colourblind Crayon Sakura Zom Ok sriously SMeyer had the entire story in her head from day one, so she already knew what was going to happen in Breaking Dawn. And if you remember she said that a vampires body is frozen... A female vampire can not get pregnant because her body would have to change, a male vampire could get a human pregnant because a male has no limit on his reproductive ability. you should really ready her interview on Lexicon... she answers all your little rants. But i seriously think that none of you who hate the book will be able to change your mind.... your putting words in SMeyers mouth she even says it herself.
I admit I was slightly appeased after the Q&A, but not enough. I endured through that book because I've been a fan of Twilight since before anyone knew what it was and it was sitting on the shelf alone, abused and for 2 bucks. Even when I knew there were flaws to Twilight, I waited for New Moon, knowing she'd get better. And she did. I think a lot of us have a right to spew into "little rants". They may be her characters legally, but they became ours too (in our minds and the like). Actually she did say that she knew what was going to happen and Nessie was included. Which is why she was always so vague.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:41 pm
iLurk I don't disagree with what you (Colourblind Crayon) said about having your own right to rant. We've been reading about these characters so long we feel like they're more than that. They're in this world that we've prided ourselves in knowing so much about, and then Breaking Dawn comes and breaks almost every rule.
I read Twilight when it first came out in 2005, and I've been following the series ever since then. I'm probably just as crazy as any fan out there, but I guess I've always tried to never have any expectations for books. I allow them to tell me the story and I don't question it. (Of course, that's incredibly hard to do with the Twilight Saga because you become so engrossed in the world you can't help but start thinking about things the way you want them to happen). But, that's what I do, and that's probably why I was not upset whatsoever with Breaking Dawn. xD Its one of the best books in the series in my opinion.
That's what I'm doing with the movie too. I'm letting them tell the story as they see it, and I have no expectations whatsoever for it. I guess, I'm really just more of a "If the author thinks its okay, then I think its okay" kind of reader. x3
But like Sakura Zom said, Stephenie's had the story in her head from day one. Her story might be a little flawed, but that's the way her story HAS BEEN. It hasn't changed much.
Okay, now I'm ranting, so I'm goin to stop. lol.
If my future husband ever told a guy that loved me so much he'd consider it: to have sex with me and give me my babies instead...I'd be beyond furious. I'd be hurt. And I think that stuck with me the most. It was immoral and gross. I hated Edward for it and didn't really like...him.
And then Jacob (I felt this way about Quil too, but less pronounced). I still think it's *****. If you've changed their diapers, you don't date 'em or do them.
You know, I very much took your stance with every HP book that ever came out, so I highly respect it (don't get me wrong, by my arguing. I just like good "academic arguments" x])...Rowling's was a little different. My point is that when she destroyed some characters for me (esp. Harry ]'x), they redeemed themselves. They were meant to do that.
The way BD turned out for the characters...the only ones I really liked...well...they just never redeemed themselves. They became obsolete.
I'm now getting over the initial shock, but I still think it was dry and hard to connect to. But I actually really liked Rosalie in this one. x'DDD
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:56 pm
The last couple of hundred pages (where Bella is vampire Bella) are incredibly hard to connect with..
We can't sympathize with Bella anymore, because she had become in this amazingly beautiful graceful powerful vampire. There is no way we can put ourselves in her shoes anymore. Even SMeyer said it herself. It's one of the reasons the book is ending with four. Nobody wants to read Bella's POV anymore. xD She's too perfect now.
But yes, there were some events in BD like Charlie being told the truth...or part of it and Edward asking Jacob to...yeah. Even Jacob found it completely disturbing. But the thing is, Bella never really gets to find out that Edward told Jacob to say that Bella and Jacob could have kids. She just thinks Edward is talking about getting a donor if she really wants to have kids. So, she's never gotten the chance to be disturbed by that. (Which I agree, I'd completely freak out on my husband if he ever did that. It's like WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?)
Haha. Jake imprinting on Nessie. I can see where so many people are disturbed by it, but, I don't know. I thin kI am way too willing to accept whatever happens in the books because SMeyer wrote it. It's like I'm thinking "mother knows best". Lol.
(I don't mind the debating. xD I kind of thrive on it.)
I'm not sure what you mean about the characters being destroyed and then never redeeming themselves. What exactly do you mean by that?
Haha, and I liked Rose in this one too even though we don't get to see too much of her. She's always interested me as a character, and we got to see more of her personality shine through. A lot of people are thinking Rosalie is a b***h for protecting Bella or rather Nessie to the point of where she didn't care if Bella lived or died. I think she did care, but she was so enthralled by the thought of Nessie even happening. She never thought it was possible, and it made Rosalie's dormant maternal instincts go into over drive. I can completely imagine Rose being Nessie's "2nd mother" as she grows up. =]
It's because of that I'm kind of interested in seeing Nessie's story told. Or rather, have Jacob's story told but if Jake tells the story Nessie will obviously be involved. His little book in BD was very interesting for me..since I've always liked him. xD
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:14 pm
iLurk The last couple of hundred pages (where Bella is vampire Bella) are incredibly hard to connect with..
We can't sympathize with Bella anymore, because she had become in this amazingly beautiful graceful powerful vampire. There is no way we can put ourselves in her shoes anymore. Even SMeyer said it herself. It's one of the reasons the book is ending with four. Nobody wants to read Bella's POV anymore. xD She's too perfect now.
But yes, there were some events in BD like Charlie being told the truth...or part of it and Edward asking Jacob to...yeah. Even Jacob found it completely disturbing. But the thing is, Bella never really gets to find out that Edward told Jacob to say that Bella and Jacob could have kids. She just thinks Edward is talking about getting a donor if she really wants to have kids. So, she's never gotten the chance to be disturbed by that. (Which I agree, I'd completely freak out on my husband if he ever did that. It's like WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?)
Haha. Jake imprinting on Nessie. I can see where so many people are disturbed by it, but, I don't know. I thin kI am way too willing to accept whatever happens in the books because SMeyer wrote it. It's like I'm thinking "mother knows best". Lol.
(I don't mind the debating. xD I kind of thrive on it.)
I'm not sure what you mean about the characters being destroyed and then never redeeming themselves. What exactly do you mean by that?
Haha, and I liked Rose in this one too even though we don't get to see too much of her. She's always interested me as a character, and we got to see more of her personality shine through. A lot of people are thinking Rosalie is a b***h for protecting Bella or rather Nessie to the point of where she didn't care if Bella lived or died. I think she did care, but she was so enthralled by the thought of Nessie even happening. She never thought it was possible, and it made Rosalie's dormant maternal instincts go into over drive. I can completely imagine Rose being Nessie's "2nd mother" as she grows up. =]
It's because of that I'm kind of interested in seeing Nessie's story told. Or rather, have Jacob's story told but if Jake tells the story Nessie will obviously be involved. His little book in BD was very interesting for me..since I've always liked him. xD
I don't mean destroy completely. That was just an example I used from HP. Because in that one I was so upset with one of the characters that I felt like ripping my book to shreds. x'DD But I mean sort of ruining the character. Like I've always seen Edward in a good light. I admit I'm not as fond of him as Jacob, even if I knew he was always meant to be with Bella, but I liked him anyway. And after the whole asking Jacob thing and being a bit whiny himself about Bella, I didn't feel like he redeemed himself for that.
Oh yeah and Bella doesn't find out, but we know don't we? Dx And that's enough for me to be all icky for a day. I'm sure if she had known just what Jacob was implying...x'D God, that'd be awful.
I was actually more interested in Nahuel's (sp?) story and a Garret/Kate thing. Actually, I'm more interested in older vampires. They have more of a story and history behind them, but I doubt she'd go into that kinda detail. x]
I have to admit, now, though. I think my fave. book my "the mother" now is The Host. I dunno why, but I really liked that story. Esp. since I can't stand sci-fi. I still have hopes for SM's future stuff, but only if there's less vampire involved. I feel like I need something fresh now. [I think I've totally argued it out of my system. >3>''']
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:34 pm
Haha, well I must admit this whole debate thing has been fun. =)
Yeah, it's true. We get to see more of Rosalie's personality here than in any of the other books. At least when we're seeing her through Jake's POV. Rosalie just seems annoyed with Jake just being around the house so much. Haha. I guess if someone who smelled incredibly bad to me, and kept coming up with dumb blonde jokes as insults I'd get pretty annoyed. xD She seemed liked a normal teenager when we saw her in book 2. lol.
Ah, okay, now I get it. I've always had Edward in the "he's perfect, and he's not a bad guy" category but I've never been obsessed with him. xD I've always been more of a Jacob girl, but anywho, I understand that. And its true, its like one day he went from being completely against the pregnancy and going crazy and being kinda jerk-ish to 'omg i luv this bby 'cuz it lurvs bellz!!'. xD It was just like...well....you changed your mind very easily. And then the rest of the point of view was Bella so she never thinks anything bad about him...ever....at all...it gets annoying actually. xD
Yes, we know about what was REALLY implied in that conversation between Bella and Jake and wow....I'm actually thinking about her reaction. I mean, just look how she reacted to Jake imprinting on Nessie. That was hilarious so I can just imagine what....damn. x3
Actually, you are right. I kind of fell in love with the revolutionary vampire. =P It'd be pretty cool to hear Nahuel's story or just to hear the Denali covens story too. There are so many new characters introduced in BD that its just like....whoa! So many new stories there. I swear, fanfiction people should be going crazy over all this stuff. =P
I haven't read "The Host" yet. I'm dying to. School starts in a week for me, and my best guy friend owns the book. I'm lending him Breaking Dawn and he's gonna lend me The Host. xD So we'll both be happy. Stephenie is a great story teller, and I really want to see what she does outside of the Twilight universe. I can see how she wants to branch out and take a break from the Twilight stuff since if she doesn't I swear that people will start to see her as the author of Twilight and nothing else (which is not a pretty place to be.)
So yes, I can't wait to get my hands on The Host. The story looks really interesting.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:20 pm
I really really really dont get why people hate the book so much. I would totally understand if you didn't like certain parts but calling it one of the worst books ever is taking it a little far don't you think? Maybe people were expecting some one to feel horribly depressed in the end, maybe they wanted one of the characters to have a not-so-happily-every-after... But still, guys, it's not THAT bad... actually it's not bad at all.
It's different from the first 3, i agree, and maybe that's why some people don't like it but do you honestly think that it's one of the worst books ever because in my opinion the worst books are the ones you cant even stand to read.
Something I'd like to see: Jacob's continuing story. I think it'd be great if SM could branch out into the Twilight world and continue Jacobs' story with Nessie. I think it'd be really interesting to get to know their connection from Jacobs POV. his book in BD was amazing and he's definetely and interesting character... I just can't see this as being the end of it for him, I think there's so much more to his future with Nessie and I would love to read the story of SM wrote it (The idea of a werewolf, sorry, shapeshifter, falling in love with a hyrbid vampire/human baby is... oh so exciting... no sarcasm intended)
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:21 pm
Twilight was the best and it all went down hill from there. I wasn't surprised that Breaking Dawn was horrible. Its a good thing I got it for almost half off.
I did like Jacobs book, though. I liked the titles of the chapters and his POV was more interesting,which surprised me because I don't like Jacob that much.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:36 pm
I was immensely disappointed with this book. I held on to every word in Twilight, was somewhat enthralled by New Moon, confused by Eclipse, and just plain annoyed with Breaking Dawn. I swear, I skimmed over half the book.
This truly seemed like a bad fanfic. I couldn't believe it.
A book with vampires and supposedly "dark romance" would be thought to have more depressing themes. Seems like that's not the case with this one.
I almost gagged at the point when Bella turned into a vampire and everything was so amazingly perfect for her. She could control herself easily, her family was accepting of everything she threw at them, she had a child from the gods, she still had her best friend, she had amazing sex all the time (speaking of which, all the references to it seemed so amateur I couldn't believe it was actually coming from a published book), Rosalie suddenly was a friend...
Honestly, it was sickening.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:10 am
 ♥ Urghhh. Everyone is being so ouch to this book.
Yes, it could have been better. Yes, it was worse than I expected.
And yes, everyone should know that Ms. Meyer would have been under SO much pressure when writing the final book. I bet she wanted to get it right for all of us. But you just can't do that because some people are so friggin cold and fussy!
That's really, really, really rude to assume she wrote the book just to get rich. I can't believe anyone would have assumed that. If she writes THREE BOOKS in the ONE book, like a BIBLE, I don't think she wanted to end the story.
I have my negatives, though:
1. The "structure" was all out of place.
I would have liked a super happy ending. But the super happy "ending" was at the very beginning of the book. I would have liked the story to END with their marriage, and have all that other mumbo jumbo before that, or something..
I mean, it's meant to have that kind of structure that goes:
happylife-happylife-livingnormally-BOOM!ProblemOnTheHorizon-IntensityBuildsUp&Up&Up&Up&Up&Up&Up-BOOOOOMMM ! ClimaxOfTheStory (Which should be the Cullen-Volturi fight) -ThenProblemSolved-SuperHappyEnding. (Which should be the marriage, or something as happy as that.)
2. I. Do. Not. Know.
I don't know if I wanted Bella to get pregnant, but I know I didn't want Renesmee to be a half-breed-life-eating-thing.
I don't know if I wanted Bella to be changed, but I know I wanted it to be Bella and Edward, calm and dandy, in a room, prepared and all, and he BITES her (not INJECTS friggin venom), and SHE HAS TO BE IN PAINNNNN ! SHE HAS TO SCREAM !
3. I wanted them to fight with the Volturi. And kill off Caius, perhaps. But where's the climax in the story, when all they really did was just call it off!?
4. Jacob Schmacob.
I don't really like the fact that there's a book one, book two and book three. And I don't really like the fact that book two is Jacob's view. His view is kinda boring, to me.
5. Burning Man.
The way Ms Meyer described the "burning man", as Edward looked like, it friggin scared the livng hell out of me. When she said it looked like he was screaming, but no sound came out, that just did it for me. It freaked me out. I mean, Mr.Good-Lookin-Edward-Always-So-Hot was screaming silently and freakishly.
Did not like.
Other than that, you have to really think, cmon, it wasn't THAT bad that you should say it's the worst thing in the world and that you hated it and all.
Personally, I enjoyed it thoroughly. There were many flaws, but that doesn't change the fact that I really enjoyed it.
If you really hated it, even if you only read a hundred or so pages, you should have just put the book down. Rather than just hating it more.
But in truth, I don't think you could have. I think you would have wanted to know what happens in the end. You can't just read, "Oh, and Bella's pregnant. I hate this. I'll put the book down, now."
You can't. You'd want to know what happens, right?
Then you don't necessarily hate this book so much if you can't leave it alone in the middle of the story.
Puh-lease stop talking about this book like it's the end of the world.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:29 am
♥ And about the Renesmee part, I don't think anyone should be freaked out about it, really.
I think it's because most people are a little confused about the "imprinting" part.
I'm pretty sure that when they imprint, it doesn't mean flat out fall-in-love.
For Jake and Nessie, that's just ***** Jake said at the end of "his" book (not a direct quote), she's the reason you're there. She's your world.
To me, I interpret that as, basically, your world. As in, you only care about her.
When you're a father, the only person you might care about is you daughter.
When you're a best friend, the only person you might care about is your best friend.
And so on.
I don't know how to describe it, but all I can say is, Jacob didn't just flat out fall in love with a baby.
I'm a lil off topic now .. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:41 am
Okay, okay, srsly though. I know I know I'm back again.
But you can't say Ms Meyer is breaking the rules.
She knows the rules, because she made them herself.
And you can't tell her she's writing it wrong. You can't tell her this story is all wrong.
Because she is the author.
The story will only go how she writes it.
As a reader, you can't say it's wrong.
It may be wrong for you, but when you think about it, it can't be wrong.
And for goodness' sake ppls! They're fictional characters! You can't have it all perfect and precise and scientific and all!
We know in real life, if a guy is dead, they obviously can't produce sperm and the likes.
But GAWD this can't be so exact if it's a fictional character.
It's like saying, the venom in Bella's eyes dissolves the eye contacts, so if there's liquid there, then why can't she just cry venom tears, or something?
Or,
If they're dead, then why do they have feelings?
Well, of course, there must be some kind of scientific explanation for that.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:45 pm
Just want to give some info to some peeps that don't understand the body. But first, yes the book was sort of predictable, but in an exciting and interesting way. I thought it was an interesting and controlled ending to the series. It answered some burning questions and proved the whole point that love can last. SO ANYWAY, on to my lesson... SPERM DOESN'T DIE WHILE IT'S STILL IN THE BODY. It only dies when it hits the air! So when Edward was being transformed into a vampire his sperm was being infected with vampire venom therefore changing his little babies into vamp babies. Therefore when he had sex with Bella his vamp sperm still impregnated her, but with vampire chromosomes. Got it? Any questions?
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