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 Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:55 am
in my opinion, abortion at the moment is abused as many see it as a form of contraception and because it is so accebible to everyone.
however, despite this i agree abortion should be leagal but it should be A LOT harder to obtain. this is because that i think abortion is only right if the mother or baby is in serious danger if the pregnancy goes forward; if the baby is seriously disabled; or if the conception was caused by rape.
i would only go through with an abortion if the chance of me or the baby dying was over 45% and if the baby was so disabled that i couldn't cope with looking after him/her.
why is it that people are so up on arms over euthanasia when it is only the person's own life that they are deciding to end when abortion is not only abused but it involves the ending of some one else's life???
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:02 pm
...birds creep over tin roofs, like criminals with tap shoes... .::Im Pro Choice::.
I want to know that i have control over my body and what grows in it.
Abortion shouldn't be used as a contraception, thats just idiotic. But when the pill and condom fails you, you should have a way out. And abortions should be made as early in the pregnancy as possible.
I would feel so horribly horribly oppressed if my right to decide over my own body was taken away.
...stain the glass with windows, extortionate and cold stare...
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:22 pm
i am pro choice. i believe that the decision should be made by the mother and that the father should not have any control over the woman's choice. it's her body after all.
if abortions are made illegal then girls WILL find a doctor to do the abortion and these methods are offten hazerdous to the woman's health.
the reason, i think, abortion is being abused is because more and more couples are not useing protection and getting into a sextual relationship before they are ready.
i've heard that some people have tried to sugest that a girl can get an aboution ONLY if her life is in danger or was raped (hold a triel). i think this is ridiculous while you can not fake your life being in danger you can lie about being raped.
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:53 pm
Abortion should only be allowed if it threatens the life of the mother...in that case the abortion would be seen as self-defense. As far as rape goes, I don't believe that they should be allowed to terminate their pregnancy, I know that it sounds heartless, but that is what I believe.
This is an example my professor gave my class: What if you were in bed one night and all of these scientists came in and hooked up this large machine to you and for nine months you had to walk around with this machine on you, it gave you aches, made you sick, and made you an outcast. You never asked for it but it happened. And at the end of nine month the scientists take the machine away.
He said this...referring to a girl getting pregnant as a result of rape.
But what I figure is this, when someone is really raped and gets pregnant and sticks with the baby and gives birth there is a result from those nine months, something...someone, comes from it. Of course the rape was horrible but something good something lovely came from it. No one said you had to keep the child, that you had to be burdened by it, but your suffering didn't end in sorrow. That is how you have to look at it... something good coming from something horrible is a miracle.
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:56 pm
...birds creep over tin roofs, like criminals with tap shoes... .::@ Alrecia::.
What if the mother detests the child?
What if every time she sees her child its a reminder of that horrible event?
What if the mother sees the child as the thing that destroyed her life?
And imagine the feeling of the child when it grows up.
Finds out that he/she was a result of a brutal attack on its mother, and half of that monster is a part of them?
Or if it finds out, that its mother wanted it gone, but couldn't by law?
Not everyone has the strength to be that kind of mother you describe.
...stain the glass with windows, extortionate and cold stare...
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:12 pm
@ Alrecia
what if the girl has a husband? how will he feel about his wife have a child that is not his??
or what if she is not ready for the comitment of haveing a child? what if she can't support the child? or what if she is too young for the responsibility? haveing a baby should be a decision that you make. not something suddenly trust apon you. it's a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly.
@ Tebasile & Alrecia
i actuall heard of someone who hated her child not because she was raped but because the child reminded her of that marrage she never really liked her child untill years later (so their ok now but i think there may still be some tension
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:00 am
Tebasile ...birds creep over tin roofs, like criminals with tap shoes... .::@ Alrecia::.
What if the mother detests the child?
What if every time she sees her child its a reminder of that horrible event?
What if the mother sees the child as the thing that destroyed her life?
And imagine the feeling of the child when it grows up.
Finds out that he/she was a result of a brutal attack on its mother, and half of that monster is a part of them?
Or if it finds out, that its mother wanted it gone, but couldn't by law?
Not everyone has the strength to be that kind of mother you describe.
...stain the glass with windows, extortionate and cold stare... What about adoption? I mean no one said that she had to keep it. No one said she had to hold it or anything...not being able to look at the thing because it reminds her of something bad is no excuse to get an abortion...And keeping a baby that you hate and may mistreat is horrible, it's not the baby's fault! It's not the mother's fault either but the mother is the only one with any kind of control over her future and her baby's. To look at a baby in need and only think of her own suffering is a wee bit selfish on the mom's part. Yeah, what happened to her was horrible, no one is saying that it wasn't or that she should just get over it but she shouldn't take it out on a poor baby that didn't do this to her... it's basically like saying that taking a life is o.k. if you can't stand someone...she doesn't have to keep it but there is no reason for an abortion. And it is not necessary for the mother to say how she got pregnant, so if she gave the child up for adoption no one would no the difference, the baby would be just another child that someone couldn't take care of, that would be a merciful thing for the mother to do. Think of all of the people that have been put up for adoption...how many of them know why? And are they happy? ...well yeah, for the most part...maybe their birth mother didn't want them but someone did, someone wanted a child that wasn't even theirs, someone wanted to love them. As far as being part monster goes, I don't believe that for a second. Who someone is isn't decided at birth it's not genetic it's psychological...if the child is told that their birth is a result of rape they should be told that no one is ashamed of them, that it wasn't their fault (because it's not), that they are loved, if the mother hates the child than she had no business keeping the child. If someone cannot make a choice for themselves...(like a baby)...then people that make decisions have to make those decisions in the interest of the one that cannot. i.e. "Would you rather die or live?" Hopefully you would choose life for someone...wouldn't you hope that if someone had to make that decision for you they would choose the latter as well.
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:14 am
1DAKOTA SMITH1 @ Alrecia what if the girl has a husband? how will he feel about his wife have a child that is not his?? or what if she is not ready for the comitment of haveing a child? what if she can't support the child? or what if she is too young for the responsibility? haveing a baby should be a decision that you make. not something suddenly trust apon you. it's a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly. @ Tebasile & Alrecia i actuall heard of someone who hated her child not because she was raped but because the child reminded her of that marrage she never really liked her child untill years later (so their ok now but i think there may still be some tension Same thing as above, put the child up for adoption. And if her husband loves his wife he shouldn't be so cold as to not have any pity for her or for a baby that didn't do anything wrong. And if there is any hint that they may not love the child they should give it up, why would anyone hold on to something that they didn't want? Just because? That doesn't make any sense. If you're not ready to take care of a baby the path is clear, give it to someone who is ready...having a baby is a big responsibility and the two adults in the situation should be responsible enough to put it up for adoption not only for the baby's interest but theirs.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:20 am
Alrecia 1DAKOTA SMITH1 @ Alrecia what if the girl has a husband? how will he feel about his wife have a child that is not his?? or what if she is not ready for the comitment of haveing a child? what if she can't support the child? or what if she is too young for the responsibility? haveing a baby should be a decision that you make. not something suddenly trust apon you. it's a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly. @ Tebasile & Alrecia i actuall heard of someone who hated her child not because she was raped but because the child reminded her of that marrage she never really liked her child untill years later (so their ok now but i think there may still be some tension Same thing as above, put the child up for adoption. And if her husband loves his wife he shouldn't be so cold as to not have any pity for her or for a baby that didn't do anything wrong. And if there is any hint that they may not love the child they should give it up, why would anyone hold on to something that they didn't want? Just because? That doesn't make any sense. If you're not ready to take care of a baby the path is clear, give it to someone who is ready...having a baby is a big responsibility and the two adults in the situation should be responsible enough to put it up for adoption not only for the baby's interest but theirs. not every girl is willing to let a child that they don't want/were not ready for grow in them for 9 months espesally if she is married and her husband is not the child's father. even if she puts it up for adoption. yes i did think of the adoption thing. but not everyone is strong enough to give up a child that grew inside them for 9 months......... i forget who but someone here said that abortin was being abused.... but when you get right down to it the thing that is being abused is sex. weather it's rape or not. if people would be more careful there would be less accidental prgnancys..... so i gess in the end it all depends on will power (weather it's adoption, abortion, or haveing sex)
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:09 pm
1DAKOTA SMITH1 Alrecia 1DAKOTA SMITH1 @ Alrecia what if the girl has a husband? how will he feel about his wife have a child that is not his?? or what if she is not ready for the comitment of haveing a child? what if she can't support the child? or what if she is too young for the responsibility? haveing a baby should be a decision that you make. not something suddenly trust apon you. it's a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly. @ Tebasile & Alrecia i actuall heard of someone who hated her child not because she was raped but because the child reminded her of that marrage she never really liked her child untill years later (so their ok now but i think there may still be some tension Same thing as above, put the child up for adoption. And if her husband loves his wife he shouldn't be so cold as to not have any pity for her or for a baby that didn't do anything wrong. And if there is any hint that they may not love the child they should give it up, why would anyone hold on to something that they didn't want? Just because? That doesn't make any sense. If you're not ready to take care of a baby the path is clear, give it to someone who is ready...having a baby is a big responsibility and the two adults in the situation should be responsible enough to put it up for adoption not only for the baby's interest but theirs. not every girl is willing to let a child that they don't want/were not ready for grow in them for 9 months espesally if she is married and her husband is not the child's father. even if she puts it up for adoption. yes i did think of the adoption thing. but not everyone is strong enough to give up a child that grew inside them for 9 months......... i forget who but someone here said that abortin was being abused.... but when you get right down to it the thing that is being abused is sex. weather it's rape or not. if people would be more careful there would be less accidental prgnancys..... so i gess in the end it all depends on will power (weather it's adoption, abortion, or haveing sex) Yes, but people are abusing sex because it's so easy not to be pregnant. They do abuse abortion, it has become a form of birth control.The purpose of sex is not for pleasure it is to reproduce, hands down, that's what it is for. Now I'm not saying only have sex to get pregnant, but if your willing to have sex you have to be willing to accept the responsibility and risks that come with it. And not having the will power is a lame excuse for ending a life. "I wasn't mentally strong enough for this." doesn't fly. ....you need a better excuse than that. And if she does not want to give up the baby after 9 months she probably doesn't hate the child and won't mistreat it. If her husband has an issue with that then they should battle it out between them and come to an agreement.Because you can't handle it is no reason to have an abortion...sometimes you have to be responsible, whether it is the mother's fault that she is pregnant or not she is now responsible for another life...if she has an abortion she is responsible for a death.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:14 pm
Alrecia 1DAKOTA SMITH1 Alrecia 1DAKOTA SMITH1 @ Alrecia what if the girl has a husband? how will he feel about his wife have a child that is not his?? or what if she is not ready for the comitment of haveing a child? what if she can't support the child? or what if she is too young for the responsibility? haveing a baby should be a decision that you make. not something suddenly trust apon you. it's a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly. @ Tebasile & Alrecia i actuall heard of someone who hated her child not because she was raped but because the child reminded her of that marrage she never really liked her child untill years later (so their ok now but i think there may still be some tension Same thing as above, put the child up for adoption. And if her husband loves his wife he shouldn't be so cold as to not have any pity for her or for a baby that didn't do anything wrong. And if there is any hint that they may not love the child they should give it up, why would anyone hold on to something that they didn't want? Just because? That doesn't make any sense. If you're not ready to take care of a baby the path is clear, give it to someone who is ready...having a baby is a big responsibility and the two adults in the situation should be responsible enough to put it up for adoption not only for the baby's interest but theirs. not every girl is willing to let a child that they don't want/were not ready for grow in them for 9 months espesally if she is married and her husband is not the child's father. even if she puts it up for adoption. yes i did think of the adoption thing. but not everyone is strong enough to give up a child that grew inside them for 9 months......... i forget who but someone here said that abortin was being abused.... but when you get right down to it the thing that is being abused is sex. weather it's rape or not. if people would be more careful there would be less accidental prgnancys..... so i gess in the end it all depends on will power (weather it's adoption, abortion, or haveing sex) Yes, but people are abusing sex because it's so easy not to be pregnant. They do abuse abortion, it has become a form of birth control.The purpose of sex is not for pleasure it is to reproduce, hands down, that's what it is for. Now I'm not saying only have sex to get pregnant, but if your willing to have sex you have to be willing to accept the responsibility and risks that come with it. And not having the will power is a lame excuse for ending a life. "I wasn't mentally strong enough for this." doesn't fly. ....you need a better excuse than that. And if she does not want to give up the baby after 9 months she probably doesn't hate the child and won't mistreat it. If her husband has an issue with that then they should battle it out between them and come to an agreement.Because you can't handle it is no reason to have an abortion...sometimes you have to be responsible, whether it is the mother's fault that she is pregnant or not she is now responsible for another life...if she has an abortion she is responsible for a death. i agree with your first paragraph i don't want to argue this any more. we each obvously have our own ideas and beleifs and i'm ok with that and i respect your opinion. thanks for the intresting discusion i haven't had a really good one in a long time ^_^
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