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| Pregnancy Prevention but not Abortion |
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 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:44 pm
Hmmm... I know what I think, I just don't know where to start. FOR THE MOST PART, I think abortion is not usually the best option (but at the same time, I'm pro-choice.) Although it's not REALLY taking a life, just a potential life (because at the time the baby is a single-celled organism,) abortion is not USUALLYthe best method of getting rid of a child. Remember, this is my humble opinion.
If you decide BEFORE sex that you don't want a child, I think you should use birth control or other protection. Not only is it smart to use birth control or condoms, but it's also much cheaper (of course, that's not the most important thing. Don't get me wrong.)
If you decide you don't want the baby AFTER learning that you are pregnant, then there are other methods. Although I believe there are often good reasons for not wanting the baby, such as rape, money issues, abuse, protection didn't work, etc., I think it would be best to simply put the baby up for adoption. This way, you wouldn't have the baby anymore, and some lucky couple (or person) would get a baby that they probably couldn't have gotten any other way. Everyone goes homes happy smile Also, if you decide to abort because you don't want people to know you are pregnant, it is my opinion that you shouldn't have been sleeping around in the first place. Really.
Even with what I've said, there ARE, of course, cases where abortion is the best option. If there's not much chance that either you, the baby, or both are going to survive, and C-section just isn't an option, then it would probably be best to abort. That's the main one that came to mind, but there are other ways that abortion could be the best option.
Overall, I think abortion usually isn't the best way to go, but it is the woman's choice (the man's too, if he's in the picture.) I, personally could never bring myself to get an abortion, but if it's what's best, it's not my place to say what a woman can or can't do with her life and something that would drastically change it.
Almost done...
Since this was posted in a guild about Wicca, I assume it has something to do with Wicca, so... How do my opinions on it tie in with my religion?
I think they don't. I've thought the same thing about abortion since before I became a Wiccan. Even so, I think that many other Wiccans (as suggested in this thread) are very pro-choice. I absolutely hate to stereotype, but most Wiccans tend to be much more liberal than conservative, and pro-choice opinions are very liberal. I dunno. I'm not making sense about this, but I've shared my opinions. [/endrant]
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:27 pm
Kyou Nitsune Do you feel that your perspective of sexuality and child bearing are significantly influenced by our religion? I think that there are two major influences to the perspective of sexuality and child bearing. Firstly, I would have to say from my observations sweatdrop that a majority of Wiccans, regardless of the way they vote in America, have a more open-minded, liberal view of the world and the way it works. As a Wiccan, for a religion which teaches that divinity is inherent in the material.....to most everyone else, we look like a fertility cult. Technically, we are. twisted Most of our teachings, our practices, are based around the goddess and the god and the joining of the two. Being in this day and age, with our medicine and technology, I also believe that most real neo-pagans are educated. They understand enviromental issues and overpopulation, and being that we are not needing to procreate for survival, most have a view of sexuality with responsibility. We don't need to populate like bunnies, but all acts of love and pleasure are of the Goddess. Have your fun, but be responsible. twisted We are honor-bound to be responsible with ourselves and each other, that's how I see it. neutral
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:16 am
Like Korealia said I’m PRO-choice but abortion should be used as a form of birth control.
The only time I might actually agree of someone getting an abortion is if the women is raped or heath issues or something along those lines.
I knew someone who got an abortion its not a pretty thing. You get really sick afterwards. You don’t feel well for weeks after.
I believe if your birth control fails or if you just mess up and you don’t want the baby then give it away to someone who does. There are many people who would kill to have a baby.
I know in Arizona if you don’t want a baby you can drop it off to a staff member at a fire station, hospital, or church no questions asked. It’s called the safe baby haven law. I believe many of the other states have it as well.
That’s my two cents…
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:05 pm
shaddowchild I knew someone who got an abortion its not a pretty thing. You get really sick afterwards. You don’t feel well for weeks after. I believe if your birth control fails or if you just mess up and you don’t want the baby then give it away to someone who does. There are many people who would kill to have a baby. I have personally had two abortions. The first was after I became pregnant while using "the Sponge". The second was after my husband had a vasectomy, was "flushing out his system" and the condom failed. The latter occurred six months after my youngest was born. First of all, keep in mind post-abortion effects vary from person to person. For both I had some strong cramps for a day or two, but they were quelled via Motrin. Other than that it was just like any other period I've had. Secondly, if you think abortion is a b***h try being pregnant for 9 months and then giving birth. I can personally attest that THAT is far worse, both physically and emotionally. And I didn't have to give either of my boys up. Imagine how someone dealing with post-partum depression must feel when they have nothing to show for it. IMHO it is arrogant to expect someone who took the time to PREVENT a pregnancy to go through such an ordeal.
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:04 pm
ok, so i have only read the first few of these, because they are really really long, and because my opinion stands unchanged.
I am pro-abortion, or pro-choice, since we cant always abort. I know this sounds harsh, but often times those who even consider having an abortion are not fit to be parents any way. They may not be finantialy ready, emotionaly, or physicaly ready. One of my dearest friends is having a baby, and is not sure to abort or not. Her body is teribal, and she has the weakest stomach. One small punch to the gut and she could die, and thats without a baby in there as well. She thinks she wants to keep it, and i dont know what too tell her, but i hope she choses abortion.
It also wasnt her fault. The condum broke. She has had sex many times before, with many people, and this ws the first time she actually got pregnant. I feel bad for her. But if she aborts now, she may never have another child ever again. It is a sad story, but i feel abortions should be mandatory if need be.
I also belive it is the mothers choice. She is the one who will have to have the chils for 9 months, not the man. So as my Bio teacher told me. Leave abortions to the women, not to the men. so thats my opinion.
Now my wants as a gay man would be to have tem cose adopt. But that is my hope. I know there are not so many homes out there that are nice, but i would love to have a child someday. I feel i never may, or i may never want to. But i knew my situation from the start, and if i want a child i will ave to work for it. So i do wish there would be a child let for me someday...
also, being a man, i do activities that cause me to release my seed amongst the earth. And dont any of you guys say otherwise. So i feel i have "killed" possible life aswell. Women have a period, thats uncontrolable, and that has egg in it. So maybe we are being to rash. Untill you can make out that the child is in deed a child, i dont think it is a baby. So the sooner they can get it out, the better. But that is something i trully belive in, and i stand by it. egg is just egg, sperm is just sperm, when they meet a zygote is made. It is not untill that zygote if in about the 3rd trimester or slightly earlier tjhat that fetus becomes a child.
maybe sick, maybe cruel, but its my belife, and there is no changing that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:57 am
Maxwell_Pink shaddowchild I knew someone who got an abortion its not a pretty thing. You get really sick afterwards. You don’t feel well for weeks after. I believe if your birth control fails or if you just mess up and you don’t want the baby then give it away to someone who does. There are many people who would kill to have a baby. I have personally had two abortions. The first was after I became pregnant while using "the Sponge". The second was after my husband had a vasectomy, was "flushing out his system" and the condom failed. The latter occurred six months after my youngest was born. First of all, keep in mind post-abortion effects vary from person to person. For both I had some strong cramps for a day or two, but they were quelled via Motrin. Other than that it was just like any other period I've had. Secondly, if you think abortion is a b***h try being pregnant for 9 months and then giving birth. I can personally attest that THAT is far worse, both physically and emotionally. And I didn't have to give either of my boys up. Imagine how someone dealing with post-partum depression must feel when they have nothing to show for it. IMHO it is arrogant to expect someone who took the time to PREVENT a pregnancy to go through such an ordeal.
I believe everything happens for a reason and who knows that might be the only chance of having a baby. Its doubtful but you never know.
I respect the fact that you have had abortions. I believe it was your choice as a women. I just would never get one.
I guess we just look at the subject in two different lights.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:35 pm
Maxwell_Pink shaddowchild IMHO it is arrogant to expect someone who took the time to PREVENT a pregnancy to go through such an ordeal. Agreed. Personal choice given, I would have probably struggled through it. The situations are apples and oranges. One of my friends has three kids and can't hardly afford them. They got her 'fixed' so she can't have more kids. She might have had an easier time of it if they'd only had one or two. My sisterinlaw on the other hand is 25, has 4 kids, was giving birth at 13 to her first and still hasn't gotten 'fixed'. For her, a miscarriage is just another form of birth control, along with abortion. Personally, it makes me sick, but then again, I don't think it's right to have 7 kids and be a career welfare mom. I think what it boils down to is that you're either PRO-Choice or PRO-Life. I am PRO-Choice....I am just advocating knowledge and wisdom of the choice that is being made. When I was in high school, my boyfriend's sister got pregnant. Her parents drug her down to the hospital and had her get an abortion. Later on, she wound up marrying this guy, who is not a multi-million-dollar inherentor of his father's business. So it makes me wonder....does she ever mourn the loss that she couldn't have been a mother earlier? has that done her irrevocable emotional damage for the rest of her life? in some cases, perhaps abortion is a relief. in others, it's a detriment. it comes down to having the wisdom to know the difference.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:24 am
Korealia in some cases, perhaps abortion is a relief. in others, it's a detriment. it comes down to having the wisdom to know the difference. Well said.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:06 pm
I am 100% pro-choice.
Personally, I could never ever ever ever EVER get an abortion. I could never live with myself if I took away my child's life; to be able to live, breathe, laugh, cry.
But I do not have the same opinion as everyone else. Some women could handle getting one, some, it's still a heeeuuuggge decision, and some really do not care.
So I cannot make that choice for everyone.
I HATE IT WHEN MALE POLITICIANS THINK THEY UNDERSTAND ABORTION. stressed
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:37 am
I just want them to keep ballots and rosaries away from my ovaries. evil
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