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The Wolfe of YHWH

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:20 pm


Lazarus The Resurected
Wolfes Poetic
Whether or not we are correct, it is healthiest to blame a supposed non-entity for the troubles in one's life than to attach the blame to some real person in one's life and lashing out at them for supposedly causing all of one's problems Lazarus.

ok so you would rather blame it on an imaginary being or abstract idea than actually pass the blame to the one deserving of it? if you know where the problem is coming from you can better understand how to alieviate said problem isn't that somewhat accurate? i'm sorry Wolfe but i don't see how that is healthy. blame where blame is due.

So what happens when you're wrong? What happens when you blame someone who doesn't deserve that blame? Not everything that sucks in one's life can be attached to any one person or people, at least not immediately. To remain as atheistic and unbiased as possible, we will say there is such a thing as "Chance". Sometimes everyone involved in something gives it their everything, tries their hardest, pours themselves-mind, body and soul-into it, and it still goes completely wrong. Who is at fault then? Can you determine who put in a negligibly smaller amount of effort into something to have affected the outcome? No. At least, I don't believe so. Therefore, one is left to blame an outside, nonentity or risk further chaos by wrongly blaming others-at the very least until one who truly deserves the blame can be found.

In the end, this is going to come down to a simple difference of opinion, wholly because of our different world views.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:26 pm


When you feel like nothing is going right, just think how lucky you are. Count your blessings. I can give you some right here and now and I don't know you. #1 Jesus died on the cross for you and everyone. #2 You have a family. #3 you have the friends on Gaia and elswhere on the internet you can talk with in your time of need. #4 You have Jesus and God to turn to. #5 Some people are sadly, more poor than you. Pray for them, pray for all the poor. #6 you have God on your side. #7 you have God on your side. And #8 you have God on your side. Now I could go on, but I hope this is enough to keep you feeling up to yourself. hope I could help. And remember. God loves EVERYONE. Don't forget that.

Drumma Luvs Jesus


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:37 am


Wolfes Poetic
Lazarus The Resurected
Wolfes Poetic
Whether or not we are correct, it is healthiest to blame a supposed non-entity for the troubles in one's life than to attach the blame to some real person in one's life and lashing out at them for supposedly causing all of one's problems Lazarus.

ok so you would rather blame it on an imaginary being or abstract idea than actually pass the blame to the one deserving of it? if you know where the problem is coming from you can better understand how to alieviate said problem isn't that somewhat accurate? i'm sorry Wolfe but i don't see how that is healthy. blame where blame is due.

So what happens when you're wrong? What happens when you blame someone who doesn't deserve that blame? Not everything that sucks in one's life can be attached to any one person or people, at least not immediately. To remain as atheistic and unbiased as possible, we will say there is such a thing as "Chance". Sometimes everyone involved in something gives it their everything, tries their hardest, pours themselves-mind, body and soul-into it, and it still goes completely wrong. Who is at fault then? Can you determine who put in a negligibly smaller amount of effort into something to have affected the outcome? No. At least, I don't believe so. Therefore, one is left to blame an outside, nonentity or risk further chaos by wrongly blaming others-at the very least until one who truly deserves the blame can be found.

In the end, this is going to come down to a simple difference of opinion, wholly because of our different world views.


OK so you put the very fiber of your bein tinto somehting and fail. since it can't be anyone elses fault and it can't be your fault it must be Satan's Fault? yeah i'm still not getting it. there are times when truly no one is to blame there are other times when noone is to blame but yourself.


@DLJ: i have an issue with advice #5, why not go help them? The poor can't eat or sleep under your prayers.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:21 pm


As for blame..... I can't see blaming anyone for anything unless you have been in their shoes. Satan does have some control, and some power, but not nearly as much as some people give him credit for. It this they are actually giving him more power than he really has. Before you go blaming others, thing of how you could have been wrong first.

As for the advice #5.... I'd have to agree with Lazarus. Thinking of how other people are more poor then you is not a blessing. It is a harsh reality, and yes praying for them is good... but action is something that God calls US to do. Praying alone is not enough. Also, some your other blessings may be true to you, but not others and may be a uncomfortable reminder to them of what they don't have. Instead encourage others to find their blessings.

The thing we should be concentrating on how God desires us and loves enough to send Jesus who, through a tremendous sacrifice, has allowed us grow close to God and reap the peace and joy that comes with it.

Lithanus
Captain


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:48 pm


Woah,woah,woah,WOAH!,Wooah. woahwooahwoahwoahwoahwoahwoahwoah. Lith you and i agree on somehting? thats odd. i'm kinda scared.

i'm also amazed that you can take my cynisism and work an imspirational, albiet, short, speach on evangelism out of it.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:20 pm


Not everything you say or feel is contradictory to Christ. I'm happy to point that out when it happens.

Lithanus
Captain


Caterham_Paladin
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:02 pm


I have to agree with Laz on #5 too... but you can only do so much for the poor. You can help them stand and get them pointed towards a better life but it is up to them on the outcome.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:48 am


Sometimes we feel like God isn't there for us - in reality, this is Satans biggest lie. That we're all alone. That no one can help us. That no one is listening.

But God is there, he's with us and listening - we are never alone.

Have you ever red Job? I know that this seems like a very typical thing to say to someone, but it's a very big eye opener. Job endures many things, and in the end it was his own fault. He did everything right, but his heart wasnt there.

Sometimes God allows us to go through trials so we can become better by it. Sometimes we go through trials because someone we'll meet down the road will need someone who can relate..and because we can relate, we can plant a seed in their hearts and say "I've been there. I didn't feel God either, but He was there and He helped got me by."

Just keep praying. Try your hardest to read your Bible. If you go to church, talk to your pastor about this. He wont condemn you and he will pray for you and give you good advice.

Just remember - it's Satan's biggest lie. You are NEVER alone, even in your darkest hour. Keep this in mind always!

TheGooseWhisperer


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:22 pm


hollyannabar
Sometimes we feel like God isn't there for us - in reality, this is Satans biggest lie. That we're all alone. That no one can help us. That no one is listening.

But God is there, he's with us and listening - we are never alone.

Have you ever red Job? I know that this seems like a very typical thing to say to someone, but it's a very big eye opener. Job endures many things, and in the end it was his own fault. He did everything right, but his heart wasnt there.

Sometimes God allows us to go through trials so we can become better by it. Sometimes we go through trials because someone we'll meet down the road will need someone who can relate..and because we can relate, we can plant a seed in their hearts and say "I've been there. I didn't feel God either, but He was there and He helped got me by."

Just keep praying. Try your hardest to read your Bible. If you go to church, talk to your pastor about this. He wont condemn you and he will pray for you and give you good advice.

Just remember - it's Satan's biggest lie. You are NEVER alone, even in your darkest hour. Keep this in mind always!


Umm for the reccord God didn't "allow" Job to go through trials he actually PUT Job through them. why would God put any human being through that much? simple, to win a bet with Satan. wow loving guy that God of yours.

the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist but the greatest trick teh chruch ever played was convincing the world that he did.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:36 am


I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on this one Lazarus. Read Job a little more carefully.

As for satan/God, you can deny their existence, but it doesn't change the fact that they are there. Anyone can harden their hearts to shut out reality or what they don't want to hear, but opening up to understanding even the things that you don't agree with is difficult but rewarding in the end.

Lithanus
Captain


Caterham_Paladin
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:01 pm


*Sniff Sniff* I smell a troll here...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:59 pm


I have a confession, I hate the term troll as much or more than Paladin hates the term luke-warm. I know it means a person who attempts to rile up a group of people by using offensive comments, but as far as I see the term being used, it's more like, "I don't agree with what your saying, or just don't like your opinion so your a troll." Though I know Laz as out right admited he was, or atleast the common definition of it, but still it kinda annoys me. I guess I can blame gamefaqs for that.

Anyways Lithanus I do have to disagree with you on your idea of, "You can say it's false all you want, but the fact is that it's true." idea. I won't lie that the christian faith can not be declared as being false, but at the same time it can not be called the truth either. Everybody can say, "What if your wrong." all they want, it's all about faith. My mother tells me everyday, ever since I told her I was a diest, that I can deny it all I want but it won't change the fact that it's true. Out of respect I keep my mouth shut, and out of that same respect and the fact that I have just about as much right to tell you that your wrong as you do to tell me that I am, I won't say the christian faith is wrong. Because all religion and faith to me is a theory. Hell faith is basically the beleif of a theory to be a fact IMO. I can even say I have faith in the Diest belief and scientist have faith in the Evolution Theory. Acourse I don't plan on defending my belief as much as others do. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we can't say for sure what reality is. We can't say for sure if we are right. I won't be surprised if there is doubt in every christians, every muslims, and even every evolutionist heart.

CW Hart


Caterham_Paladin
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:08 pm


CW Hart
I have a confession, I hate the term troll as much or more than Paladin hates the term luke-warm. I know it means a person who attempts to rile up a group of people by using offensive comments, but as far as I see the term being used, it's more like, "I don't agree with what your saying, or just don't like your opinion so your a troll." Though I know Laz as out right admited he was, or atleast the common definition of it, but still it kinda annoys me. I guess I can blame gamefaqs for that.


Blame 4CHAN... anyway I use it when it seems that someone in intentionally trying to throw a wrench in the works or is trying to make things more difficult or annoy me.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:05 pm


ok then yeah you smell a few. i spend my entire life disturbing the s**t. it's what i do. infact i'm thinking of starting a poll to get that psition noted on the guild

Gaylord Mule 3


Lithanus
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:06 pm


Cw, I understand that we all have different perspectives and believes, but you have to understand that as a Christ follower and can not concede to any truth other then Christ. I should not however assume anything about you or what you believe. That also doesn't mean that I will not listen to your believes or be open to them. I love to hear what everyone has to say, regardless of their backgrounds. I just wish to be as open about my perspective as I expect others to be just as open about their perspectives.

The reason I speak this way is because not only I have found truth in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Christ followers know that Jesus was either 100% correct, or 100% liar. I'm sure that is how God wanted it to be, He wanted it to be obvious. The only problem is to understand this you have to know a lot about Christ, and the only way you can do that is if you open your self to learning about Him. I really want to help all of you understand the Lord more and so I try to share what I know with you. So please be patient with me as I talk this way because it is my perspective that is also shared by many Christ followers.

On that same token feel free to tell me all about what you believe in. Just for the sake of organization, lets try to keep these talks in the appropriate threads/sub-forums.
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