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 Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:07 pm
Naztakuan sachiko_sohma quote="sachiko_sohma"]I They even dump patients out on the streets in some places and let a woman die on the hospital floor, even called the cops on her at one point, that hospital or part of it is shut down now (does that sound caring to you?). Sadly that's how bad it is out here. Though i'm sure there are still some good doctors left that care about people. My point exactly. That was a bad hospital ergo part of it was shut down. Also, what you are referring to has nothing to do with organ donation and everything to do with Americam health care. Doctors won't let you die because you're an organ donor. They'll let you die BECAUSE YOU DON"T HAVE INSURANCE. If your insurance doesn't cover ypur procedure, then they may not use any of their resources to treat you. That woman was allowed to die probably because she was working class. There's a reason that more Black Americans than Whites die from various condition. Many of them are part of the working class and therefore cannot afford insurance. Incidently organ donars in the black community is also low, and yet thet are still treated poorly becasue they don't have the money. Doctors treat the riches patients no matter how ill or injured they may be.It's called classism. My point wasn't about organ doning but the fact that doctors don't always help patients or even try to help and why I don't trust many of them (so what she didn't have insurance , they didn't have to let her die, that's just cruel and it doesn't excuse other things that they did or still do, poor or not). I know about classism and I think you're missing the point i'm making.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:24 pm
Naztakuan sachiko_sohma quote="sachiko_sohma"]I They even dump patients out on the streets in some places and let a woman die on the hospital floor, even called the cops on her at one point, that hospital or part of it is shut down now (does that sound caring to you?). Sadly that's how bad it is out here. Though i'm sure there are still some good doctors left that care about people. My point exactly. That was a bad hospital ergo part of it was shut down. Also, what you are referring to has nothing to do with organ donation and everything to do with Americam health care. Doctors won't let you die because you're an organ donor. They'll let you die BECAUSE YOU DON"T HAVE INSURANCE. If your insurance doesn't cover ypur procedure, then they may not use any of their resources to treat you. That woman was allowed to die probably because she was working class. There's a reason that more Black Americans than Whites die from various condition. Many of them are part of the working class and therefore cannot afford insurance. Incidently organ donars in the black community is also low, and yet thet are still treated poorly becasue they don't have the money. Doctors treat the riches patients no matter how ill or injured they may be.It's called classism. I think her point, though, is that as long as there ARE bad doctors, you can't really trust someone just because they're a doctor. If your patient is marked as an organ donor, the family can't complain if your organs are removed, there's less risk than if your patient is a non-donor. Doctors can certainly be bribed. Not trying to discourage organ donation, it's just, I can understand being skeptical and not wanting to check that option off. It's hard to trust people.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:26 pm
My point is that it is wrong to insinuate that a poor health care system is somehow directly related to organ donation. It is not. They are seperate issues that ought to be discused seperately. The implications that Health professionals simply won't help you because you are an organ donor is an over simplification of the entire system. It's incredibly niave. Poor health care is poor health care, Checking that little box won't make much difference. That box isn't magic and they aren't suddenly going to treat you better than a non-donor. I think you are missing the serious process involved in any sort of transplant. You can't just stuff any freshly removed organ into any patient that may need it. These are the stuff of urban legends like that story about the guy who got his kidneys stolen(completely false). Organs have to be the right size, blood type and even then the person who recieves the organ may reject it rendering it useless.
If you want something REAL to worry about at a hospital. Worry about getting a serious infection. Hospitals are breeding grounds for serious disease. That's the reason, people are no longer permitted to stay at hospitals past a given time. You may enter a hospital with a minor injury but you may leave with a resistant strain of a virus. Hospitals are full of sick people and bodily fluids. Remember that.Don't fear the doctors, fear the pathogens. Those will probably kill you first mrgreen And if you die from whatever pathogen is floating around in there, no doctor is going to use your disease ridden organs.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:56 pm
sachiko_sohma Naztakuan sachiko_sohma quote="sachiko_sohma"]I They even dump patients out on the streets in some places and let a woman die on the hospital floor, even called the cops on her at one point, that hospital or part of it is shut down now (does that sound caring to you?). Sadly that's how bad it is out here. Though i'm sure there are still some good doctors left that care about people. My point exactly. That was a bad hospital ergo part of it was shut down. Also, what you are referring to has nothing to do with organ donation and everything to do with Americam health care. Doctors won't let you die because you're an organ donor. They'll let you die BECAUSE YOU DON"T HAVE INSURANCE. If your insurance doesn't cover ypur procedure, then they may not use any of their resources to treat you. That woman was allowed to die probably because she was working class. There's a reason that more Black Americans than Whites die from various condition. Many of them are part of the working class and therefore cannot afford insurance. Incidently organ donars in the black community is also low, and yet thet are still treated poorly becasue they don't have the money. Doctors treat the riches patients no matter how ill or injured they may be.It's called classism. My point wasn't about organ doning but the fact that doctors don't always help patients or even try to help and why I don't trust many of them (so what she didn't have insurance , they didn't have to let her die, that's just cruel and it doesn't excuse other things that they did or still do, poor or not). I know about classism and I think you're missing the point i'm making. ...Americas not THAT ******** up. Anyway, having it in your will renders it useless as by the time that's gone for your organs are unusable. I'm an organ donor. There is no reason at all not to be.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:34 pm
One of my best friend's mother is a nurse and she wouldn't let any of her children sign the back of their license to say that they would donate organs because if you're an organ doner, sometimes doctors will do less to save you, if say they need a heart and you're a match.
Granted, I know this doesn't really go with this thread... but i just had to tell that story... it kinda creeps me out.
But more towards what you said... there already are those people who steal organs from living people... the whole leave you in a bathtub of ice type horror story. So what would they care if you're dead or alive.
And i didn't sign the back of my license, but I told my family so that if I do die, they know what I want done, but it's not written on my forehead.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 1:20 pm
King Seth I'm an organ donor. There is no reason at all not to be. Look, just because you want to encourage organ donating doesn't mean you should be putting down people who don't. It's perfectly understandable for people to be afraid of that sort of thing; It's not something wrong with America, it's something wrong with human beings. There are human beings who will do it. There are also religious reasons not to donate organs. Personally, I highly encourage people to become organ donors. But I understand the fears that some people have. There's a reason organ donating isn't compulsory, and shouldn't be, and it's their right to refuse.
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:41 pm
King Seth sachiko_sohma Naztakuan sachiko_sohma quote="sachiko_sohma"]I They even dump patients out on the streets in some places and let a woman die on the hospital floor, even called the cops on her at one point, that hospital or part of it is shut down now (does that sound caring to you?). Sadly that's how bad it is out here. Though i'm sure there are still some good doctors left that care about people. My point exactly. That was a bad hospital ergo part of it was shut down. Also, what you are referring to has nothing to do with organ donation and everything to do with Americam health care. Doctors won't let you die because you're an organ donor. They'll let you die BECAUSE YOU DON"T HAVE INSURANCE. If your insurance doesn't cover ypur procedure, then they may not use any of their resources to treat you. That woman was allowed to die probably because she was working class. There's a reason that more Black Americans than Whites die from various condition. Many of them are part of the working class and therefore cannot afford insurance. Incidently organ donars in the black community is also low, and yet thet are still treated poorly becasue they don't have the money. Doctors treat the riches patients no matter how ill or injured they may be.It's called classism. My point wasn't about organ doning but the fact that doctors don't always help patients or even try to help and why I don't trust many of them (so what she didn't have insurance , they didn't have to let her die, that's just cruel and it doesn't excuse other things that they did or still do, poor or not). I know about classism and I think you're missing the point i'm making. ...Americas not THAT ******** up. Anyway, having it in your will renders it useless as by the time that's gone for your organs are unusable. I'm an organ donor. There is no reason at all not to be. Out here it really can be messed up. Not everyone is like that (not saying all of America is messed up) but there are some places that are horrible at treating patients and there are people that are messed up. I know because i've personally been having problems with the clinic I go to and some hospitals have been in trouble or shut down because of some of the things that they did. Now there are some good doctors here that would do anything to help, so you just have look. I'm trying to switch to a better doctor that I was told about. And sadly what Child of the 80s said, stories about if you are a match and someone needs a heart or something they would do less to save you is true at times (not always but it has happened). If you want to be a organ donor, more power to you but I won't put that on my license (I want to help people, but not if it can cost me my life).
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