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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:24 am
BeXlieXve munchkin The big corporations that are putting the small farmers out of business can afford to sell their goods cheaper then the farmers, and plus the corporations can farmer a lot faster and get more from one day of farming because they can afford large amounts of labor, and large amounts of machines to help the process. Capitalism is a horrible thing it just makes people suffer. I don't see how people besides the ones gaining from it can actually try and justify capitalism because its just so wrong in so many ways, it gives to many people an unfair advantage. all corporations should be owned by the country they're in so that all money made can be used to pay their workers living wages, and the rest of the money can go back in to the country for social services. If "amerka" wasn't so preoccupied with things like this pointless war, we could be providing services for the citizens, things like free health care, which is a basic right guaranteed to the citizens of many other countries, but no not here because all "amerka" cares about is the corporations and not the citizens. Free healthcare is a bad idea because our medical advances would take a serious hit. Once medical help is made socialized, the medical workers don't try so hard, because they won't do any better or any worse financially for their work. If you don't believe me, you can do your own research; capitalist economies, at least generally, have better technological advances. The end. Capitalism is how we move forward. I'm sorry that you disagree, but it's true. So no, it still is not our fault if our corporations are putting small shops and farmers out of business. It's the consumers' fault for buying our goods. By the way, I'm for capitalism completely, and I don't make money off of it. That's a horrible stereotype. Health care is perfectly fine in places with socialized health care, the doctors are just as motivated. Like in Britain for instance the doctor will get a reward of some sort for doing things like getting their patients to stop smoking, so they have plenty of drive to do the best they can. Right now in America doctors constantly misdiagnose their patients, and since the hospitals are privatized they just do what will get them the most money, not exactly what helps. The there's the thing with the medical insurance, many companies (which are also privatized obviously cause this is America) will not cover many medical operations, even if it means life or death for their client because all they're doing is trying to make the most money they can, if we had socialized health care then we wouldn't have to worry about greed insurances corporations not covering us because we'll be guaranteed what ever we need in medical situations. Well it isnt the consumers fault because the consumers that are buying from those corporations can only afford to buy from them because those corporations probably forced the consumers to lose their jobs because they can afford to sell things cheaper which is completely unfair. There is also the problem with outsourcing jobs. Because the corporations are all privatized they can pretty much do what ever the hell they want, depending on how rich they are, so to make a few more dollars that they don't need the companies will outsource jobs to other countries and then pay the workers there bassically nothing because they're willing to do so because those corporations probably forced the new workers also to work for them by putting where ever they worked last out of business, or something along those lines. Well I'm a full blown Anarcho commie so it makes sense to me, plus i said i don't see how people who don't gain from it could back it, I'm not saying that you cant back it if you don't gain from it, I'm just stating that I don't understand why anyone would back it, unless they, and the majority of society gain from it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:33 am
Fine, you've got your opinion, and I've got mine. It's obvious that we won't change them.
But for the record, I've got a friend in Canada. His gramma is in the hospital. The nurses don't give her food and water unless someone requests it, they constantly overdose or underdose her (thankfully she has the sense to only take as much as she needs and demand more when they short her), and they don't check on her often enough at all.
He told me there's a law that protects the nurses or hospitals from being sued for this. As you know, Canada has free healthcare. I'm nearly positive that the law is connected to the fact that the medical help is socialized.
But the debate is about illegal immigration. Let's get back to that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:32 pm
munchkin BeXlieXve munchkin The big corporations that are putting the small farmers out of business can afford to sell their goods cheaper then the farmers, and plus the corporations can farmer a lot faster and get more from one day of farming because they can afford large amounts of labor, and large amounts of machines to help the process. Capitalism is a horrible thing it just makes people suffer. I don't see how people besides the ones gaining from it can actually try and justify capitalism because its just so wrong in so many ways, it gives to many people an unfair advantage. all corporations should be owned by the country they're in so that all money made can be used to pay their workers living wages, and the rest of the money can go back in to the country for social services. If "amerka" wasn't so preoccupied with things like this pointless war, we could be providing services for the citizens, things like free health care, which is a basic right guaranteed to the citizens of many other countries, but no not here because all "amerka" cares about is the corporations and not the citizens. Free healthcare is a bad idea because our medical advances would take a serious hit. Once medical help is made socialized, the medical workers don't try so hard, because they won't do any better or any worse financially for their work. If you don't believe me, you can do your own research; capitalist economies, at least generally, have better technological advances. The end. Capitalism is how we move forward. I'm sorry that you disagree, but it's true. So no, it still is not our fault if our corporations are putting small shops and farmers out of business. It's the consumers' fault for buying our goods. By the way, I'm for capitalism completely, and I don't make money off of it. That's a horrible stereotype. Health care is perfectly fine in places with socialized health care, the doctors are just as motivated. Like in Britain for instance the doctor will get a reward of some sort for doing things like getting their patients to stop smoking, so they have plenty of drive to do the best they can. Right now in America doctors constantly misdiagnose their patients, and since the hospitals are privatized they just do what will get them the most money, not exactly what helps. The there's the thing with the medical insurance, many companies (which are also privatized obviously cause this is America) will not cover many medical operations, even if it means life or death for their client because all they're doing is trying to make the most money they can, if we had socialized health care then we wouldn't have to worry about greed insurances corporations not covering us because we'll be guaranteed what ever we need in medical situations. Well it isnt the consumers fault because the consumers that are buying from those corporations can only afford to buy from them because those corporations probably forced the consumers to lose their jobs because they can afford to sell things cheaper which is completely unfair. There is also the problem with outsourcing jobs. Because the corporations are all privatized they can pretty much do what ever the hell they want, depending on how rich they are, so to make a few more dollars that they don't need the companies will outsource jobs to other countries and then pay the workers there bassically nothing because they're willing to do so because those corporations probably forced the new workers also to work for them by putting where ever they worked last out of business, or something along those lines. Well I'm a full blown Anarcho commie so it makes sense to me, plus i said i don't see how people who don't gain from it could back it, I'm not saying that you cant back it if you don't gain from it, I'm just stating that I don't understand why anyone would back it, unless they, and the majority of society gain from it. how could we back communism if it's proven to not work? BTW if ye didn't catch it im VERY supportive of capitalism
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:42 pm
*High-fives Song*
You're officially my Political-Playground-BFF. XD
Buuuuut illegal immigration. >_>
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:22 pm
Pick_A_Song munchkin BeXlieXve munchkin The big corporations that are putting the small farmers out of business can afford to sell their goods cheaper then the farmers, and plus the corporations can farmer a lot faster and get more from one day of farming because they can afford large amounts of labor, and large amounts of machines to help the process. Capitalism is a horrible thing it just makes people suffer. I don't see how people besides the ones gaining from it can actually try and justify capitalism because its just so wrong in so many ways, it gives to many people an unfair advantage. all corporations should be owned by the country they're in so that all money made can be used to pay their workers living wages, and the rest of the money can go back in to the country for social services. If "amerka" wasn't so preoccupied with things like this pointless war, we could be providing services for the citizens, things like free health care, which is a basic right guaranteed to the citizens of many other countries, but no not here because all "amerka" cares about is the corporations and not the citizens. Free healthcare is a bad idea because our medical advances would take a serious hit. Once medical help is made socialized, the medical workers don't try so hard, because they won't do any better or any worse financially for their work. If you don't believe me, you can do your own research; capitalist economies, at least generally, have better technological advances. The end. Capitalism is how we move forward. I'm sorry that you disagree, but it's true. So no, it still is not our fault if our corporations are putting small shops and farmers out of business. It's the consumers' fault for buying our goods. By the way, I'm for capitalism completely, and I don't make money off of it. That's a horrible stereotype. Health care is perfectly fine in places with socialized health care, the doctors are just as motivated. Like in Britain for instance the doctor will get a reward of some sort for doing things like getting their patients to stop smoking, so they have plenty of drive to do the best they can. Right now in America doctors constantly misdiagnose their patients, and since the hospitals are privatized they just do what will get them the most money, not exactly what helps. The there's the thing with the medical insurance, many companies (which are also privatized obviously cause this is America) will not cover many medical operations, even if it means life or death for their client because all they're doing is trying to make the most money they can, if we had socialized health care then we wouldn't have to worry about greed insurances corporations not covering us because we'll be guaranteed what ever we need in medical situations. Well it isnt the consumers fault because the consumers that are buying from those corporations can only afford to buy from them because those corporations probably forced the consumers to lose their jobs because they can afford to sell things cheaper which is completely unfair. There is also the problem with outsourcing jobs. Because the corporations are all privatized they can pretty much do what ever the hell they want, depending on how rich they are, so to make a few more dollars that they don't need the companies will outsource jobs to other countries and then pay the workers there bassically nothing because they're willing to do so because those corporations probably forced the new workers also to work for them by putting where ever they worked last out of business, or something along those lines. Well I'm a full blown Anarcho commie so it makes sense to me, plus i said i don't see how people who don't gain from it could back it, I'm not saying that you cant back it if you don't gain from it, I'm just stating that I don't understand why anyone would back it, unless they, and the majority of society gain from it. how could we back communism if it's proven to not work? BTW if ye didn't catch it im VERY supportive of capitalism Just because communism has yet to work doesn't mean i cant believe its a really good Idea, and doesn't mean i cant believe in its ideals. plus it would work in a syndicalist societies, its been proven before in ancient Florance its pretty much the same idea as that with the guild thing they had going. but anyway XD she right we should probably stick with the original topic. XP
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:39 pm
munchkin Pick_A_Song munchkin BeXlieXve munchkin The big corporations that are putting the small farmers out of business can afford to sell their goods cheaper then the farmers, and plus the corporations can farmer a lot faster and get more from one day of farming because they can afford large amounts of labor, and large amounts of machines to help the process. Capitalism is a horrible thing it just makes people suffer. I don't see how people besides the ones gaining from it can actually try and justify capitalism because its just so wrong in so many ways, it gives to many people an unfair advantage. all corporations should be owned by the country they're in so that all money made can be used to pay their workers living wages, and the rest of the money can go back in to the country for social services. If "amerka" wasn't so preoccupied with things like this pointless war, we could be providing services for the citizens, things like free health care, which is a basic right guaranteed to the citizens of many other countries, but no not here because all "amerka" cares about is the corporations and not the citizens. Free healthcare is a bad idea because our medical advances would take a serious hit. Once medical help is made socialized, the medical workers don't try so hard, because they won't do any better or any worse financially for their work. If you don't believe me, you can do your own research; capitalist economies, at least generally, have better technological advances. The end. Capitalism is how we move forward. I'm sorry that you disagree, but it's true. So no, it still is not our fault if our corporations are putting small shops and farmers out of business. It's the consumers' fault for buying our goods. By the way, I'm for capitalism completely, and I don't make money off of it. That's a horrible stereotype. Health care is perfectly fine in places with socialized health care, the doctors are just as motivated. Like in Britain for instance the doctor will get a reward of some sort for doing things like getting their patients to stop smoking, so they have plenty of drive to do the best they can. Right now in America doctors constantly misdiagnose their patients, and since the hospitals are privatized they just do what will get them the most money, not exactly what helps. The there's the thing with the medical insurance, many companies (which are also privatized obviously cause this is America) will not cover many medical operations, even if it means life or death for their client because all they're doing is trying to make the most money they can, if we had socialized health care then we wouldn't have to worry about greed insurances corporations not covering us because we'll be guaranteed what ever we need in medical situations. Well it isnt the consumers fault because the consumers that are buying from those corporations can only afford to buy from them because those corporations probably forced the consumers to lose their jobs because they can afford to sell things cheaper which is completely unfair. There is also the problem with outsourcing jobs. Because the corporations are all privatized they can pretty much do what ever the hell they want, depending on how rich they are, so to make a few more dollars that they don't need the companies will outsource jobs to other countries and then pay the workers there bassically nothing because they're willing to do so because those corporations probably forced the new workers also to work for them by putting where ever they worked last out of business, or something along those lines. Well I'm a full blown Anarcho commie so it makes sense to me, plus i said i don't see how people who don't gain from it could back it, I'm not saying that you cant back it if you don't gain from it, I'm just stating that I don't understand why anyone would back it, unless they, and the majority of society gain from it. how could we back communism if it's proven to not work? BTW if ye didn't catch it im VERY supportive of capitalism Just because communism has yet to work doesn't mean i cant believe its a really good Idea, and doesn't mean i cant believe in its ideals. plus it would work in a syndicalist societies, its been proven before in ancient Florance its pretty much the same idea as that with the guild thing they had going. but anyway XD she right we should probably stick with the original topic. XP lol thanks beXlieXve I have to buy from corporations, no local competition around here first paragraph: thats capitalism you can just sue for malpractice not all are like that going back to illegal immigration... Build the fence im completely agenst it
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:22 pm
You're welcome. <3
I don't think a fence is going to help. People can climb fences. They have. XD I'm not sure what will help, but a wall or fence won't.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:03 am
We could be like Mexico, and have guards stationed every quarter mile along the southern border with heavy machine guns...
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:00 pm
Travis Celendel We could be like Mexico, and have guards stationed every quarter mile along the southern border with heavy machine guns... I agree with you 100%. I'm against illegal immigration because illegal immigrants are annoying and need to learn English (which should be the national language, why is it not?) and they should learn something about America and take that damn citizenship test or get their green card already.And the kids of illegal immigrants are unpatriotic, they wave their "homelands" flag around with no respect of America, and they do poorly in school because they have no image of the "American dream" that their parents had. And to to their lack of educational needs but still waisting time in school they are using up our taxes. Taxes I would rather not pay because I'm catering to these non-citizens. And saying they take the jobs we don't want is complete bullshit. We could use those. But they take them for less pay, below minimum wage. I blame this on businesses. But ironically I believe we should open up the borders. But i don;t think we can until Mexico changes their own border policy and let Guatemalans in with open arms. But until then I believe we should adopt Mexican southern border policy and do as quoted above. Lay a thick layer of patrol and heavy artillery on the border. the above is my stance on Mexican illegal immigrants mostly But I do love what we do with Cubans. the Wet-Foot Dry0Foot law is awesome. Int the water they're fair game. But once they're on American soil they're legal. It's love. Which is what I think should be done with anyone who has to go through Mexico. lol. If they can make it through Mexico, hats off to them lol. Thats my stance. As mixed as it is.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:29 am
basically the problems with illegal immigration is that they come here illegally. THe nation is changing for them which isn't right.
If they want the "American dream" so badly they should learn america, as in the language, economic stances, government etc. And take the citizenship tests
There should not be any policies for immigrants such as health care and education. If they want it they can become citizens and get it.
I hate the sob stories that they have for people to show pity for them; if you want to be in America BECOME AN AMERICAN.
Also on one small note, there are too many "Spanish Handicap" things such as signs, books, etc translated into spanish. This is america learn the language >..>
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