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I don't believe God approves of gay people. I tolarate any person no matter what, but homosexuality according to religious laws is not allowed.

Leviticus 11 : 9-12

Read that and you'll see that HASHEM hates shrimp as much as gay people.

Yet... I see lots of Christians munching on them.

I don't see Jews going into the waters to find shrimp to tell them that they shouldn't be shrimp.

If anything it's "Ok... you're a shrimp, granted I'm not into shrimps, but I'm sure you'll make another shrimp very happy."

if you change shrimp to homosexual...

well you see where I'm going with this right?

Well said.

I feel insulted by the way you cast down hate towards the Law of HaShem. Remember in book of Matthew he speaks about how he who teaches not to uphold the Law of Moses will be held lowest in the kingdom. Lol you learn something about your former faith from Jews for Judaism. Oh and dont' forget that G-d did cast down plagues to those who opposed him. Cannan and Sodom and Gomorah they were to have believed in committing homosexual acts. I agree with that one guy who respects people but can not lie and say it is alright in G-d's eyes. For even if you have inclination to do something wrong you are to fight that urge.

This whole idea of seeing humans as sexual objects were only made okay by the pagan theologies. Oh and okay then I guess I shouldn't expect those acts which you state. I believe in a society more like the Chassidics.
What I get from Genisis 18 they the cities of Sodom and Gomorroh were destroyed for their sinful nature.
Lev. 18:22 Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence.

Lev. 20:13 If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death — their bloodguilt is upon them.

Lev. 18:26 But you must keep My laws and My rules, and you must not do any of those abhorrent things, neither the citizen nor the stranger who resides among you; 18:27 for all those abhorrent things were done by the people who were in the land before you, and the land became defiled.

Lev. 20:22 You shall faithfully observe all My laws and all My regulations, lest the land to which I bring you to settle in spew you out. 20:23 You shall not follow the practices of the nation that I am driving out before you. For it is because they did all these things that I abhorred them.

Don't forget that same-sex intercourse, incest, and beastality is said to be a failure of the Non-Jewish people. Those different sexual tendencies are products of the Pagans and following their practices are contrary to HaShem.

I see this thread going only one place.

Divash, I apologize in advance for posting on Shabbat. I, at the moment, feel the need to join this debate as one of the few in this guild who is not heterosexual, and has practiced various paganisms in the past.

Bored: whether or not you take those passages at face value, you're left with an annoying problem; the passages do not say in what way you are not to lie with a man the same as a woman. Is this a sexual position, the actual act of reproduction, or something else? I lean heavily toward the reproductive act, as such a thing would go against G-d's design of the human reproductive organs. It would, essentially, make it so the sexes do not need to cooperate, but can isolate themselves and still reproduce.

If such an act was worthy of cultural destruction, why were the Spartans allowed to build the world's most powerful military? Why were the Romans allowed to conquer nearly all of the Western world? Why did Alexander succeed in conquering all the known world? These cultures were not destroyed (Italy and Greece both remain), so where were the plagues? Why has Canada (hehe) been allowed to exist, or Vermont for that matter, when they accept homosexuality? The people in Soddom and Gammorah were not wiped out for sticking Tab A into Slot C instead of Slot B, they were punished for being a truly evil people.

Pagans, by no means, are to blame for *****, bestiality, homosexuality, or incest (none of these are in the same category as each other). Monotheists practice these habits the same as polytheists. Pagans did, and do, have some pretty strict codes of behavior in regards to honorable relationships, and engaging in bestiality, *****, and incest generally goes against these codes. I say generally because there are some crazy cults out there, but those pop up in all religions. Placing these things at the feet of the Pagans puts Jews up on the pedestal of "superior people", and I for one have no intentions of ever making that claim.

All we can do is speculate on what G-d feels, and trust that our beliefs are correct. None of us can know for sure until we've died and moved on, unless G-d decides to contact us directly (even then, how will we know it's G-d?). Demonizing and judging others negatively on vague passages that may or may not possibly vindicate you is a pretty silly thing to do, especially when the people you're casting judgment on are more than capable of presenting reasonable arguments themselves. You're free to believe what you want about homosexuality, but to acuse those of us who aren't of the heterosexual bent as casting down "hate toward the law of HaShem" is an insult of the highest degree. Those are the same damned insults used by the born-agains against Jews for "casting down hate on the law of Jesus". I, for one, will not stand by as such words are thrown at any Jew.

Ok... I figured something out.

First.

You're both right.

Second.

You're both wrong.

Third.

It's pointless to clarify either of the previous statements as neither the pro-gay or anti-gay side will concede the field. Regardless of tradition or logic.

So... pictures will replace words.