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 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:06 pm
Professor_Markus caffeinatedbliss Excuse me but That was unnecessary. No, it pretty much was. Everyone else here is saying the same old tired lines of "Oh it's nice" "oh it's pretty". It's not. It lacks anatomy, it lacks composition, it lacks a colouring technique that makes it look like anything other than a 5 year old scribbling over and over on the paper until it's oversaturated and falling apart. Don't try to pull the instant ramen line on me either, I've heard that a million times over as well. I've barely got enough money to make my bills and I can still afford art supplies and eat hearty everyday; manage your money better. I'll tell you right now; I hope you're a hobbyist. Your picture is an unforgettable deviantartist submission, that will be passed over without a second though. You want critique? Rip it up. Redo it. Redo it over and over and over until things line up. Until the shading resembles something other than pillowshaded "I don't know where it goes, but I know something has to be shiny." Fix the skin so it' snot one entire blob, or if that's what your'e going for, use acrylics or gouche to make an even colour. Stop drawing contrived, terribly deviantart tutorial eyes and body. Her body looks like a giant lump of cancer attached to a hairy face with lips stapled on, devoid of any light source or knowledge of anatomy or stylization. You want to get better? Rip it up. Keep ripping it up. Stop thinking it's special, it's important. Rip it up until you just don't give a ******** about what happens. Then you'll improve. Actually I'm pretty sure no one mentioned the picture other then the screw up with the spill and the texture of the marker. I think a lot of things you've said are valid about the image, like practice and lack of originality, but the tone with which they were conveyed is SO unnecessary. You're a d**k
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:46 pm
Professor_Markus caffeinatedbliss Excuse me but That was unnecessary. No, it pretty much was. Everyone else here is saying the same old tired lines of "Oh it's nice" "oh it's pretty". It's not. It lacks anatomy, it lacks composition, it lacks a colouring technique that makes it look like anything other than a 5 year old scribbling over and over on the paper until it's oversaturated and falling apart. Don't try to pull the instant ramen line on me either, I've heard that a million times over as well. I've barely got enough money to make my bills and I can still afford art supplies and eat hearty everyday; manage your money better. I'll tell you right now; I hope you're a hobbyist. Your picture is an unforgettable deviantartist submission, that will be passed over without a second though. You want critique? Rip it up. Redo it. Redo it over and over and over until things line up. Until the shading resembles something other than pillowshaded "I don't know where it goes, but I know something has to be shiny." Fix the skin so it' snot one entire blob, or if that's what your'e going for, use acrylics or gouche to make an even colour. Stop drawing contrived, terribly deviantart tutorial eyes and body. Her body looks like a giant lump of cancer attached to a hairy face with lips stapled on, devoid of any light source or knowledge of anatomy or stylization. You want to get better? Rip it up. Keep ripping it up. Stop thinking it's special, it's important. Rip it up until you just don't give a ******** about what happens. Then you'll improve.
Alright thankyou for your advice.
I don't rip up artwork no matter how horrible I think it is purely to keep a record. I have pictures drawn from when I was 10 still sitting in my damn closet.
No one mentioned it as something amazing so I have no idea what your going on about there. I don't even think its something amazing it was practice at a different style. Its my first time coloring a picture fully with marker and I wanted some advice.
My eyes aren't drawn from a tutorial but if you thought they were then maybe thats a step in the right direction. smile
As for the instant ramen, you mentioned not being able to afford markers I said how I afford mine.
As said I honestly do appreciate your opinion and I'll work on it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:55 pm
i will say you take harsh crit really really well i respect you for that good job!!!
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:22 am
inktvis i will say you take harsh crit really really well i respect you for that good job!!!
Heh, thanks. I'm fine as long as it's art related and actually USEFUL/not said seven million times [I can normally manage to comprehend it the first time or so. k? thnx.] essentially I prefer it to be a tad bit kinder in the way it's put, but no use being a six-year-old little b***h about it.
I'll get better, as of current I'm seventeen although I don't use age as an excuse practice makes things best. Critique gives you something to work on to improve. [wow. I'm almost hideously optimistic.]
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:55 am
I'm just going to say that you can do better and leave it at that.
If you really want to break out, quit drawing anime.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:38 am
The Iconoclast I'm just going to say that you can do better and leave it at that. If you really want to break out, quit drawing anime.
Hmm alright. I don't just draw anime oddly enough. Maybe I'll put up something different eventually it's been a while since I drew realism, I was never comfortable with noses.
I'll get back to everything else as well, Besides thats what goes into my portfolio.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:51 am
1. That was not even criticism. It was a mere act of bitter whining and complaint based on the sole fact that one caffienatedbliss, unknown to markus, could apparently afford what markus himself desires. The raving desire appears in the bitterness he's expressed about not being able to own and use such utilities as used in the work above. Regardless of what unconscious processes are involved here, the most obvious breaks into the consciousness of markus are his extreme "slips of the tongue" when he claims the image has been repeatedly praised even though it obviously hasn't.
Markus' excessive desire for the markers and his hatred for the work, manifested in his repeated comment "rip it up," musts spring from a false belief that the markers themselves can actually do work or make a difference. Markus seems to believe he is a whole with the markers, and that his inability to acquire them is the only reason for his shortcoming.
To please the demon of rage, and find a way back to mental stability and self-assurance, markus feeds the belief that affording such markers is an evil act, and that people who do afford them are, morally but not financially, worse than himself. This way, he is finally able to reassure to himself that he is, ultimately, better off without the markers.
In order to solve the situations, it seems advisable that we all should invest $10 each and buy markus a $2 copic or two. That seems like a useful investment for the sake of the guild.
And THIS HERE is criticism of angry_markus' alledged crit. Beat that. This is why you saw no point in the other thread.
2. Kudos and respect for caffeinatedbliss and I hate your username because it makes me want more Nescafé, which I don't currently have. I did not attempt any suggestions on how to improve, but if you really want to, I'd suggest forgetting the colors for now, and focusing a little more on forms and dimensions for starters.
PS: I almost live on instant ramen.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:38 pm
*insert psycho-babble here to excuse/defend shitty art* Tell me something I don't know. Quote: I'll get better, as of current I'm seventeen although I don't use age as an excuse practice makes things best. I'm one year older than you. Age is no excuse, so why aren't you as good or better than me? You've had just as much time. Quote: I don't just draw anime oddly enough. Quote: it's been a while since I drew realism Apparently you do just draw anime.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:13 pm
Professor_Markus *insert psycho-babble here to excuse/defend shitty art* Tell me something I don't know. Quote: I'll get better, as of current I'm seventeen although I don't use age as an excuse practice makes things best. I'm one year older than you. Age is no excuse, so why aren't you as good or better than me? You've had just as much time. Quote: I don't just draw anime oddly enough. Quote: it's been a while since I drew realism Apparently you do just draw anime.
Are Anime and Realism the only drawing styles in your book? Last I check those were no the only ones in existence, a while for me is anything over a month. I also said I don't use age as an excuse.
Quote: I'll get better, as of current I'm seventeen although I don't use age as an excuse practice makes things best.
Your argument is pointless and non-existent at this point, Especially since I said I didn't even think the picture was anything special. I have no idea what your trying to convey at this point.
Anyway. On with other matters.
Quote: 2. Kudos and respect for caffeinatedbliss and I hate your username because it makes me want more Nescafé, which I don't currently have. I did not attempt any suggestions on how to improve, but if you really want to, I'd suggest forgetting the colors for now, and focusing a little more on forms and dimensions for starters.
this is how my form tends to look [Just scribbled something out since you mentioned it]
By caffeinatedbliss at 2008-02-10
By caffeinatedbliss at 2008-02-10
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:51 pm
Actually, they're pretty good! I like them, keep doing those things!
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:19 pm
Eh I decided to continue with the girl, I might finish the guy too... ::shrugs:: By caffeinatedbliss at 2008-02-10
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:20 pm
No, I don't think anime and realism are the only styles; you're real closed minded for thinking that too. You think the people over in japanland who do amazing "anime" don't know realism?
If you don't think the picture is any good 1) why did you post it and 2) why arne't you going to fix it?
Your scribbles are also terrible. What are they?
The first one is falling over, with her tits deciding that they neighter want to be centered, attack themselves to her collarbones, and point out at odd angles. Shoulders are too narrow, arms have no definations; it's just a mass of scribbles with no direction. Clean it up. Stop using so many lines.
SEcond one is the same as the first, except you bent him and made it so he had no a**/intention to sit. Club hands, no neck, no crotch, no a**.
IF you want to practice forms, drop that doodling all together and start photo referencing, lifedrawing, anything, so you understand how the body works and how to put it together.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:44 pm
the way the girls neck connects to her head looks pretty good; im trying to get out of the habit of pencil thin orange on toothpick anime necks so kudos to you for that. her boobs are way too high though, you cant even see how well you did the slope from the base of her neck to her shoulders because she has cleavage sprouting from her trachea
her hips and legs have no shape to them but her hair falls nice and naturally. at the very least the shape of it is pleasant to look at :3
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:59 pm
Professor_Markus No, I don't think anime and realism are the only styles; you're real closed minded for thinking that too. You think the people over in japanland who do amazing "anime" don't know realism? If you don't think the picture is any good 1) why did you post it and 2) why arne't you going to fix it? Your scribbles are also terrible. What are they? The first one is falling over, with her tits deciding that they neighter want to be centered, attack themselves to her collarbones, and point out at odd angles. Shoulders are too narrow, arms have no definations; it's just a mass of scribbles with no direction. Clean it up. Stop using so many lines. SEcond one is the same as the first, except you bent him and made it so he had no a**/intention to sit. Club hands, no neck, no crotch, no a**. IF you want to practice forms, drop that doodling all together and start photo referencing, lifedrawing, anything, so you understand how the body works and how to put it together.
I said they weren't the only styles I think you may be so upset and annoyed you can't read/comprehend half of the things being said. I think just about all great artist can draw great realism as well, I'm not a complete idiot though for some reason it feels as if I've given you that impression, sorry for that.
I posted it to figure out how to get better for next time, it was an experiment simple as that, I like trying variations and different styles.
All advice taken into consideration.
As far as the lines go, I do clean them up when I draw by hand [typically anyway].
~Thankyou and goodnight.
Iminey the way the girls neck connects to her head looks pretty good; im trying to get out of the habit of pencil thin orange on toothpick anime necks so kudos to you for that. her boobs are way too high though, you cant even see how well you did the slope from the base of her neck to her shoulders because she has cleavage sprouting from her trachea her hips and legs have no shape to them but her hair falls nice and naturally. at the very least the shape of it is pleasant to look at :3
[I agree about the pants. I was trying to give her some like the ones I have for dancing...  I agree I'm going to move the chest down, I totally screwed that up. xD Shes wearing like a super push-up bra/her tits are murderers.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:18 pm
caffeinatedbliss The Iconoclast I'm just going to say that you can do better and leave it at that. If you really want to break out, quit drawing anime.
Hmm alright. I don't just draw anime oddly enough. Maybe I'll put up something different eventually it's been a while since I drew realism, I was never comfortable with noses.
I'll get back to everything else as well, Besides thats what goes into my portfolio. It's not odd that you don't just draw anime. And there isn't something inherently wrong with drawing anime. It will help your eye and your technical skill to do other things, though. You aren't the only person who has trouble with noses :O I do too, but the solution to that problem definitely isn't to avoid the issue by drawing weird little symbols for noses.
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