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 Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:06 pm
The way I see so-called "spiritual energy" is that it also conforms to the Law of Conservation of Energy. Sure, there is an amount of it so large that it may as well be called infinite, in my opinion, but it still conforms to that law. Afterall, everything within the Universe is everything that there is, was, or ever will be. I include any spiritual or "astral" realms in my definition of the Universe.
You draw your spiritual energy from somewhere and it goes back to that place (eventually) after you're done with it. I see "spiritual energy" as just being more subtle than "physical energy". Physical energy is only affected by things like gravity when in the vicinity of very massive objects (or super-massive, like black holes). The main difference I see between physical and spiritual energies is that spiritual energy can be tapped from anywhere at anytime if one has the know-how to do so. Then again, wasn't Tesla supposed to be working on free, wireless energy anywhere in the world? Zero-point energy if I'm not mistaken?
Either way, I don't think it's really necessary to go on and on about since we're getting off topic. As far as things that can contain psi or spiritual energy (I see both as the same thing, essentially), the first thing that popped into my mind was gems, crystals, or stones. Maybe some metallic objects. I think in order for it to be retrieved at a later time you'd have to program it somehow to keep the energy from leaching out of the object over time. Even physical batteries will lose energy when left for a long time. Seems entropy is an inescapable part of existence. Anyway, my two cents.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:50 pm
I don't mean to come across as pompous here or anything, but isn't this a pretty old idea, like circle-casting and banishing? I'm sure I've read about charging and object or imbuing it with energy before.
In terms of what "Spiritual Energy" is, and wether it conforms to physical laws, I've no clue. I'm pretty sure it's not the same energy as kinetic, chemical and the rest, but like all magick and psionics, it's just a theory.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:17 am
DrasBrisingr ChiyuriYami DrasBrisingr ChiyuriYami energy vanish over time.. so your battery doesn't last much long.. Disregarding the incoherence...the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. By that, energy can't "vanish". If you mean the energy would slowly leak out over time, then that's different. But then, if it was possible to store energy in an object, then why wouldn't you be able to safeguard it against any leakage? Please explain yourself. Preferably in a more coherent manner. As for the OP, I've read that certain stones have energy-containing properties. But since I can neither remember where I've read it nor which stones, it might be something that you want to research a little. I don't think it was any obscure little fact I read. Just start Googling s**t and see what you come up with. your so called law is about physical energy.. spiritual energy work differently.. or can you explain why this world isn't over flooded with the constant spiritual energy that is created every seconds of most living thing? if the energy vanishing I have experience many many times is just the energy leaking from where I left it then I trully wonder where it goes for it to be unable to be sensed?.. Ha. Hahaha. Ok. I'm going to go nice and slow, because I'm about 3 seconds away from an aneurism. My "so called law" isn't my law at all. It's Galileo's. I'm not sure if you know him. He's this really cool Italian guy I met in elementary school. I'm pretty sure you did, too. You just don't remember him. Middle school, at least. The Law of Conservation of Mass/Energy isn't just something I pulled out of my a**. It's been around for hundreds of years. We (as in, the human race) pretty much take it as fact. At the very least it has proven difficult to disprove. Spiritual energy is physical energy, at least as I see it. The world isn't flooded over with energy because energy is not created. It's transferred from other things. If you're going to argue this point farther, please explain what exactly you mean by "spiritual energy". Perhaps I'm not understanding you. And please don't argue against my "so called law". I'd eventually just throw my hands up in the air and tell you to read more about it here.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:36 am
Mitsh I don't mean to come across as pompous here or anything, but isn't this a pretty old idea, like circle-casting and banishing? I'm sure I've read about charging and object or imbuing it with energy before. In terms of what "Spiritual Energy" is, and wether it conforms to physical laws, I've no clue. I'm pretty sure it's not the same energy as kinetic, chemical and the rest, but like all magick and psionics, it's just a theory.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:13 am
DrasBrisingr ChiyuriYami Quote: Because "physical energy" doesn't really apply to any of those things, either. Quote: the Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. that quite contradicting now isn't it? I said that spiritual energy is created and can also vanish.. Now you say that physical energy does the same thing yet before you said it doesn't ... So does it or doesn't it? also I didn't say you are stupid about psionics.. just that you were ignorant about some of it.. Stupidity and ignorance aren't the same. well that aside for now.. I did already try to explain what spiritual energy is.. It is something that most living beings create. It can't be touch, heard, taste, smell or seen... without it, those living beings wouldn't live at all. Dead things or unanimated things do not have spiritual energy on their own or produice some.. I really don't have much of a way to explain what it is other that then explaining what it isn't and a few little thing about it's existance and use.. If you're going to quote me, quote all of what I say. I said that "physical energy" sounds similar to "spiritual energy" aside from the fact that "physical energy" obeys the laws of physics. Being created and "vanishing" are impossible of "physical energy" according to a law of physics. The one I stated. Technically you didn't say I was ignorant, either. You led me to assume that you considered me stupid. If you wanted to specify, you should have done so. I don't, however, consider myself ignorant on many topics. If I'm ignorant about the topic at hand, it's because you have failed to explain to me exactly what the ******** it is we're talking about. The closest thing I can...relate your "spiritual energy" to is some sort of..."life force"? So it's the energy that living things use to sustain life. Living things create it within themselves to...keep up vital life functions (keep heart beating, lungs expanding, stomach digesting, brain working, etc)? Or am I still missing what you're saying? Actually I tried to led you to assume you might be ignorant about it. I didn't ment for it to led you to think I was saying you were stupid. Something like that but I'm still unsure about what exactly it does to keep them living. All I know so far is that: living things have that energy, dead things don't. Also, trying to force out most of my spiritual energy leave me totally tired and unable to move for a while, it feel like as if the body is tired the same way as if I had done something that require a lot of effort yet I did nothing of that sort. Obscurus You draw your spiritual energy from somewhere and it goes back to that place (eventually) after you're done with it. I see "spiritual energy" as just being more subtle than "physical energy". Physical energy is only affected by things like gravity when in the vicinity of very massive objects (or super-massive, like black holes). The main difference I see between physical and spiritual energies is that spiritual energy can be tapped from anywhere at anytime if one has the know-how to do so. That might be possible. From my point of vue, it come from within me. It could be coming from another realm or something similar, passing by something inside us to reach this world... Then in that case the Law of Conservation of Energy would work. But that leave one question. if it come into our realm from us, how does it go back to it's origin on it's own?
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:02 am
Alrighty, to make myself look completely stupid, I'm gonna use DBZ to explain the difference here. Using your own energy is like the Kameha-meha wave or whatever, all on your power. From what I understand, most people borrow small amounts of energy from everywhere at once, not enough to hurt anything, but all those little sources add up to a massive amount. Like the Spirit Bomb. (I really couldn't think of a better way to put it.) Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics covers borrowing energies from the universe, so I'd reccomend that to anyone into energy manipulation.
Edit: The reason your energy doesn't come back to you immediatly is the same reason you get tired from running. You exerted it into a task. To get that energy back, you have to eat, rest, meditate, in short live. Like natural energy, it'll eventually come back.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:03 am
yet again a problem with my theories, I post something, and one day later, there's so many responses, my pathetically short attention span keeps me from reading them all. Yes I meant a battery. Yes I thought there could be a problem with energy leakage. I was also wondering what type of thing you could use. Organic (ex. tooth, piece of bone, plant, etc.), Metallic (ex. iron, metal keychain), or like a piece of clothing. The keychain I'm especially interested in. For example, I'm terrible at doing anything with psi, but I'm amazing at the few kinetics I do know, so I was thinking I could practice by depositing and withdrawing psi from an object.
A psi powered car? No....
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:43 am
ChiyuriYami Actually I tried to led you to assume you might be ignorant about it. I didn't ment for it to led you to think I was saying you were stupid. Something like that but I'm still unsure about what exactly it does to keep them living. All I know so far is that: living things have that energy, dead things don't. Also, trying to force out most of my spiritual energy leave me totally tired and unable to move for a while, it feel like as if the body is tired the same way as if I had done something that require a lot of effort yet I did nothing of that sort. Obscurus You draw your spiritual energy from somewhere and it goes back to that place (eventually) after you're done with it. I see "spiritual energy" as just being more subtle than "physical energy". Physical energy is only affected by things like gravity when in the vicinity of very massive objects (or super-massive, like black holes). The main difference I see between physical and spiritual energies is that spiritual energy can be tapped from anywhere at anytime if one has the know-how to do so. That might be possible. From my point of vue, it come from within me. It could be coming from another realm or something similar, passing by something inside us to reach this world... Then in that case the Law of Conservation of Energy would work. But that leave one question. if it come into our realm from us, how does it go back to it's origin on it's own? Perhaps your poor grammar and spelling distracted me. I apologize. So...basically you know for a fact that spiritual energy and physical energy are different...but you still don't know what it does. Is there a possibility that "spiritual energy" could be "physical energy", but you just call it something else? I mean, to me it sounds like what you call "spiritual energy" is just...energy. The energy we get from digesting edible things. Maybe you just...gather it...and...do something with it. I don't know. I mean, if you tried to force out most of your (physical) energy it would leave you physically exhausted, just like you said you felt after forcing out your spiritual energy. Yes? No? Thoughts?
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:37 pm
Even if I am physicaly weaken (run too much, need sleep, hungry), I can still use spiritual energy as much as I want. So I don't think that, if both were the same energy, I could still use it after that.
Also the body feel like it is but biologicaly it isn't tired when I force out my spiritual energy. It's like the spirit/mind/soul, don't connect to it much well anymore.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:17 pm
ChiyuriYami Even if I am physicaly weaken (run too much, need sleep, hungry), I can still use spiritual energy as much as I want. So I don't think that, if both were the same energy, I could still use it after that. Also the body feel like it is but biologicaly it isn't tired when I force out my spiritual energy. It's like the spirit/mind/soul, don't connect to it much well anymore. See? Now you're making me suspicious. Before you said that you felt physically drained as if you had over-exerted yourself, though you had not. As soon as I used it to bring up a point contradictory to yours, you recant the statement, and say that it doesn't feel tired, it's just that you can't connect to your "spirit/mind/soul." Step back and look at it from my perspective. Doesn't it seem a bit strange?
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:46 pm
I said that it feel like as if it is tired... not that it was..
No contradiction if you read it right..
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:16 pm
ChiyuriYami I said that it feel like as if it is tired... not that it was.. No contradiction if you read it right.. Perhaps if your grammar and spelling were a little less atrocious, I'd actually be able to understand all of what you were saying. You said you were tired and unable to move. That sounds like physical exhaustion to me. Just because you didn't run 20 miles doesn't mean you can't be physically exhausted. When one gets a virus, one often feels "run down" and tired. Even if one didn't exert oneself at all, it doesn't mean one is not physically tired.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:52 pm
Well Sorry if I'm not a living dictionnary... English isn't my first languge..
I also write very fast and so don't notice if I skip a letter or actually press more than one at once. Also, the way I talk, whatever the language, is often said to be hard to read. I'm just really not good at wording meanings..
I said it feel like it is tired without actualy been tired..
In the case of a virus, you feel tired, your body is tired and it is caused by your body using resources to fight back the virus. This is what cause the body to be physically tired when you have a virus..
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:55 pm
DrasBrisingr ChiyuriYami Calling it your law was just my way of saying I only follow laws I found myself and in the case of spiritual/psi energy, I haven't found such a law yet.. even if everyone call it energy, it doesn't mean it is the same kind of energy you are used to.. People could also find a unique word for it but so far most people only call it an energy for it can be seen as one even if it doesn't act like all the others... As I see it, spiritual energy isn't physical energy for one simple fact... unlike physical energy, Laws of physic do not apply to it.. It is created, it also vanish, gravity have no hold into it, no physical object can move it on it's own, can't be touch, heard, taste, smell or see it.. It doesn't have a mass on it's own and so on.. if your practice psionics, the energy manipulation part of it, you usualy understand this on your own. But I'll have to guess you are: A) someone who doesn't do anything of the kind there is in this guild. B) one of the magick user who doesn't do psionics that are around the guild. C) a Psionic user that goes for the more direct approche (telekinetis and such..) So...basically the only difference between "physical energy" and you "spiritual energy" is that it doesn't follow the laws of physics. Because "physical energy" doesn't really apply to any of those things, either. But you still haven't told me exactly what it is. You've told me what it isn't. Please don't assume s**t about me. I've been a mod of this guild for...a while, I've been with it since it started, and I've been involved in other Gaian communities similar to this one for years. I'm not stupid when it comes to psionics. A useful tool when you're trying to discuss a topic with someone is actually prompting them to give you their definition of the topic. It keeps us on the same page, so that we're not talking about 2 different things. So I'm going to ask you again: define, to the best of your ability, this so-called "spiritual energy". Feel free to include properties (not things that it isn't), descriptions, and (short) personal anecdotes relating to the topic at hand. There is a sticky on the front page right at the top! 'STOP BEING ANTAGONISTIC DAMMIT!' Go visit it if you guys want to argue so much. Here is a good way to find out which person you should believe. Each of you guys post your age and education level. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHERE!!!! Then you should be able to tell which person probably is correct. I'm already siding with Dras, due to the fact he knows some ******** science. I will once again clarify my point; I want to know about the possibility of a 'psi battery' because I know I can make/ obtain psi energy faster than how much I can store (very little) therefore pretty much the max I can have at one time might be less than I can store in a 'psi battery'. Therefore increasing the psi I can work with at one time.
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:58 pm
Mitsh I don't mean to come across as pompous here or anything, but isn't this a pretty old idea, like circle-casting and banishing? I'm sure I've read about charging and object or imbuing it with energy before. In terms of what "Spiritual Energy" is, and wether it conforms to physical laws, I've no clue. I'm pretty sure it's not the same energy as kinetic, chemical and the rest, but like all magick and psionics, it's just a theory. It very well might be. I haven't really searched the web for psi info due to the large number of flamers calling people like us either 'idiots' or 'abominations'. I usually only use this guild for info.... crying
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