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 Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:33 am
ShadowIce Yep. To the best of my fuzzy memory, the one I remember goes something like this:
Teenage girl and older man (her father) are in a car. The car is in the driveway of a house. The girl starts to back up the car and backs into the mailbox, or maybe it was a trash can (she is clearly just learning to drive).
The girl gets that kind of, "Oh crap, I've just screwed up," look on her face, including that, "Oops I didn't mean to" smile. The man sighs, smiles and says something to effect of, "Oh, I think you got your mother's sense of direction."
The girl responds with something like, "Oh, yeah, well I also got her intelligence. After all, she was smart enough to choose to give me up for adoption."
The man smiles and says something to the effect that yes, the girl's mother must have been really smart and my recollection of the the commercial ends. I don't recall for sure if there was one of those, "X number of families waiting to adopt," messages or not.
I wish I could find it on the internet. I don't think my description of it does the commercial justice. That's really interesting. I couldn't find anything useful on YouTube or Google video (I guess these ads are either not very popular with the people prone to putting tv ads on the internet, or just not very common). But I did find this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o4YUY4feys Which made me smile, even if it has nothing to do with this.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:08 pm
ShadowIce divineseraph This is true. However, we would celebrate the stopping of deaths, choicers celebrate a personal choice. Right. Maybe I meant more of abortion itself, rather than freedom to choose. The difference would be similar to that of, say, a shopowner who keeps black people out of his store and a person who thinks it's ok for people to choose who they sell stuff too.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:34 am
divineseraph Right. Maybe I meant more of abortion itself, rather than freedom to choose. The difference would be similar to that of, say, a shopowner who keeps black people out of his store and a person who thinks it's ok for people to choose who they sell stuff too. I really don't understand what you are getting at. Could you explain that metaphor a little more in depth?
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:06 pm
WatersMoon110 divineseraph Right. Maybe I meant more of abortion itself, rather than freedom to choose. The difference would be similar to that of, say, a shopowner who keeps black people out of his store and a person who thinks it's ok for people to choose who they sell stuff too. I really don't understand what you are getting at. Could you explain that metaphor a little more in depth? One is the carrying out of an action, the other accepts the ability to carry out the action. One would be, for example, a klansman, while the other would be a more benign pro-segregation person. The Klansman may post the sign in his window, whereas the pro-segragation person may dislike it but sitll believe in the principles of "his store, his choice".
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:13 am
divineseraph WatersMoon110 divineseraph Right. Maybe I meant more of abortion itself, rather than freedom to choose. The difference would be similar to that of, say, a shopowner who keeps black people out of his store and a person who thinks it's ok for people to choose who they sell stuff too. I really don't understand what you are getting at. Could you explain that metaphor a little more in depth? One is the carrying out of an action, the other accepts the ability to carry out the action. One would be, for example, a klansman, while the other would be a more benign pro-segregation person. The Klansman may post the sign in his window, whereas the pro-segragation person may dislike it but sitll believe in the principles of "his store, his choice". Okay, I think I see what you are getting at, maybe: That a given action is distasteful, and so it seems unthinkable to you that people would support the right of others to make that action (Let alone celebrate that option)? Am I close?
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:44 am
WatersMoon110 That a given action is distasteful, and so it seems unthinkable to you that people would support the right of others to make that action (Let alone celebrate that option)? Am I close? Hit the nail on the head, for me at least. As I've made the futile attempt to explain to the debate thread, you can't tell me to just "let women choose what's right for themselves." In my humble opinion, what they're choosing is cold-blooded murder. (Colloquially speaking, duh...) I won't respect people's choices to let their dogs fight, to beat their kids with a belt, to invade a sovereign nation or to refuse to hire gay people. Likewise, I won't respect a woman's choice to kill her fetus. As seraph seems to be implying, some choices are, in our humble opinions, not worthy of respect, celebration or protection.
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:36 pm
La Veuve Zin As I've made the futile attempt to explain to the debate thread, you can't tell me to just "let women choose what's right for themselves." In my humble opinion, what they're choosing is cold-blooded murder. (Colloquially speaking, duh...) Is there such a thing as warm-blooded murder? Actually, since humans are warm-blooded, doesn't it seem a little odd to call murder cold-blooded? Maybe killing reptiles is cold-blooded murder? Or being killed by a reptile? La Veuve Zin I won't respect people's choices to let their dogs fight, to beat their kids with a belt, to invade a sovereign nation or to refuse to hire gay people. I agree with you there. La Veuve Zin Likewise, I won't respect a woman's choice to kill her fetus. However, I feel that to make it illegal without giving pregnant women another option to assert their bodily integrity is immoral, as well. As such, I really don't have any problem (anymore) with the "Choose Life" campaign. I think that encourage women to make the choice one wants them to make is a good way to go about this, while the government taking away the choice from them (without giving them another immediate option) is a bad thing.
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