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 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:59 pm
Eruravenne I hate to turn this into a big thing, but I just have to know. Why are guns more offensive than any other type of weapon? A sword is a tool for killing people. That is it's only real purpose. Cutting a person open so that their blood will spill out and possibly organs also. Yet no one has a hissy fit over that. A knife potentially can be used by a criminal to kill and hurt people even more easily than a gun, because they are easier to obtain, yet that's more acceptable than the guns. A spear is a tool of war used by ancient soldiers when they were out conquering other lands, killing innocent people and being generally impolite, yet people were thrilled with the Spartan spear and other Spartan items. I don't understand this way of thinking. I really don't. But as for the MCs, I like the assassin clothes and the weapons are very well rendered. The masterpieces are beautiful as well. I only wish the statue body could be used with the occulus magica and the elemental/mythic hair. I also wish I had more things to match with all this stuff, but that's not the MC's fault. sweatdrop It's the lack of personal responsibility the gun brings. When you kill someone with a spear, a sword, or a knife, you are RIGHT THERE when it happens, and you are fully aware of what you do. You see the immediate results of your actions. With guns, you can remove the feeling of responsibility. To shoot someone, you don't have to be right up next to them, so you never see the full trauma they suffer because of it and you. As a consequence, it is a less honorable choice of weapon for warriors even if it IS twenty times more effective. It all has to do with a warrior's honor code, which is something that has been all but forgotten. So you see, it is the fact that someone can kill another person without suffering for it. Shooting AT someone is rather different than actually shooting someone.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:02 pm
I'm not very fond of them either but i think if they planned to give them to us they should have been spoof items like MIB guns, Lazers, things you see in films and fantasy.
As far as why it bothers people, that has to do with what's going on in reality right now. Not the war. I think the problem is that things like swords and lazers are not really used anymore or everyday. While in the media people are dying left and right from being shot. Most murder and global conflict has a gun somewhere and that's not something users want to promote. Hell, my grandfather lost his life to a gun and that's not something I would ever want to happen because someone got desenseitized to guns and wasn't careful with it. I'm not saying that would happen but we do have some pretty stupid users and I'm sure a few are really over the deep end.
I can see the joke in a lazer or sheep ray ;D
But not so much a gun. especially one that's made for the purpose of killing. It can be argued that some guns are for hunting or simple self defense but this is just to kill.
Edit: I agree with vince and blue 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:02 pm
Am I the only person in this organization who's enthusiastic at the prospect of actual firearms in Gaia? Sure, it's just a modified Heckler & Koch MP5K with optics and silencer and an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare, but it's a start. The Masterpiece item isn't bad either. I'll make a note of it to acquire both items by the end of this month.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:18 pm
Sorry, Blue. You're answer just feels like a complete cop-out to me.
And the other two explianations... I guess. But killing someone with a gun can be VERY traumatizing. Just look at what happens to the young soldiers who are sent off to battle. They are often deeply scarred by the experience, even if it isn't always obvious. The act of ending a life, no matter how it's done, will never be non-personal unless it is done by a mentally abnormal person.
The absence of bladed weapons in daily life today doesn't make them any less of murder tools. It's completely hypocritical to say one type of life-taking object is less bad than another type, regardless of how common either object is. Also, people would not be nearly as likely to accidentally kill themselves if everyone were properly instructed on the correct use of guns and how to take care of them and store them. Obviously there would still be accidents, but human stupidity can never be completely abolished. A person is more likely to be accidentally killed by a car than accidentally shot by a gun, I think.
And despite what I'm saying here, I'm not anti-weapon. I'm just anti-hypocricy.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:19 pm
Red October Archangel Am I the only person in this organization who's enthusiastic at the prospect of actual firearms in Gaia? Sure, it's just a modified Heckler & Koch MP5K with optics and silencer and an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare, but it's a start. The Masterpiece item isn't bad either. I'll make a note of it to acquire both items by the end of this month.
=D RED OCTOBER! =D
I knew you'd be back with your awesome military knowledge. =D
Btw, what is your opinion on the XM8? I think Gaia should have an XM8 rather than sniper etc...
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:21 pm
Eruravenne Sorry, Blue. You're answer just feels like a complete cop-out to me. And the other two explianations... I guess. But killing someone with a gun can be VERY traumatizing. Just look at what happens to the young soldiers who are sent off to battle. They are often deeply scarred by the experience, even if it isn't always obvious. The act of ending a life, no matter how it's done, will never be non-personal unless it is done by a mentally abnormal person. The absence of bladed weapons in daily life today doesn't make them any less of murder tools. It's completely hypocritical to say one type of life-taking object is less bad than another type, regardless of how common either object is. Also, people would not be nearly as likely to accidentally kill themselves if everyone were properly instructed on the correct use of guns and how to take care of them and store them. Obviously there would still be accidents, but human stupidity can never be completely abolished. A person is more likely to be accidentally killed by a car than accidentally shot by a gun, I think. And despite what I'm saying here, I'm not anti-weapon. I'm just anti-hypocricy.
Cop-out? How so?
But bleh I'm tired, leave me alone. crying
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:22 pm
It's true, there really is no difference between any weapon that's ment to kill but this is just what i think the reasoning behind it is. granted I like collectors swords...
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:23 pm
Guns aren't common in anime as a reason why they're more controversial? No matter what you might think, a large portion of Gaians aren't huge anime fans. I doubt that has very much at all to do with it. And that most other weapons today are decorational? It still doesn't change what they ARE.
Edit: Well, you can't answer for anyone other than yourself. So why do YOU think this way?
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:27 pm
I'm more afraid of the idiots that are now going to run around yelling "I have a gun! BAM BAM BAM!" than of any argument about whether guns should or should not be on Gaia.
I honestly never expected to see any. But I think when they brought the Gaia sniper back they admitted that guns existed in the Gaia world and that they should acknowledge that.
Although... giving us guns but making us use rings in Battle is mildly annoying xd
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:28 pm
Eruravenne Guns aren't common in anime as a reason why they're more controversial? No matter what you might think, a large portion of Gaians aren't huge anime fans. I doubt that has very much at all to do with it. And that most other weapons today are decorational? It still doesn't change what they ARE. Edit: Well, you can't answer for anyone other than yourself. So why do YOU think this way?
I know most Gaians aren't anime fans, hence my hint of hypocrisy.
Additionally, a decorational piece is very different to a murderous weapon. The details of such would take too long to explain as I'm off now.
Same with my own opinion, too complex for my withered brain. xd I must sleep and rest for my exams tomorrow. Auf wiedersein!
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:32 pm
Eruravenne Guns aren't common in anime as a reason why they're more controversial? No matter what you might think, a large portion of Gaians aren't huge anime fans. I doubt that has very much at all to do with it. And that most other weapons today are decorational? It still doesn't change what they ARE. Edit: Well, you can't answer for anyone other than yourself. So why do YOU think this way? Did you miss the part about my grandfather getting shot? I'm also a hardcore liberal so perhaps it's just as simple as that. I just think differently.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:33 pm
Well, alright then. I expect some real reasons tomorrow. xp
@Tso: Yeah, that'll be annoying. But noobs running around with guns won't really effect most of the site. Just like, Towns and the CB and maybe GD, probably. Oh, and the RP forum. But those places were already stuffed with noobs, so does it really make a difference? razz
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:38 pm
Jiang Lan Eruravenne Guns aren't common in anime as a reason why they're more controversial? No matter what you might think, a large portion of Gaians aren't huge anime fans. I doubt that has very much at all to do with it. And that most other weapons today are decorational? It still doesn't change what they ARE. Edit: Well, you can't answer for anyone other than yourself. So why do YOU think this way? Did you miss the part about my grandfather getting shot? I'm also a hardcore liberal so perhaps it's just as simple as that. I just think differently. Well, my grandfather was killed when a tree he was cutting down fell on him. I'm not anti-tree. Sorry if I sounds incredibly insensitive. I doubt I'll get anywhere talking to you, just go around in circles forever. If you want to be anti-gun, go ahead.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:43 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:45 pm
BlueRaven990
=D RED OCTOBER! =D
I knew you'd be back with your awesome military knowledge. =D
Btw, what is your opinion on the XM8? I think Gaia should have an XM8 rather than sniper etc...The XM8 is just a repackaged Heckler & Koch G36. The Gaia administration would do well to issue the actual article, though if we are to receive XM8s instead of G36s, we'll be needing XM25s to go along with them; now that would be cool. But then again, the XM8, XM25, and G36 aren't really assassination weapons to begin with; that goes double for the XM25, seeing as it's a grenade launcher and all. If they're going to be part of some future MC depicting a Gaian infantry or spec-ops kit, however, then as I said earlier, that'd be cool.
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