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ji-an

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:25 pm


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Hmm... Dual personality, well I'm not that dude who made the game. I'm no so sure but, dual personality sounds... difficult. There could be a possibility that they're still thinking like when they linked, still I have no clue. If there were to be a sequel, it could be a whole new person because of the reason they morphed (For the promise thing, he can have that 'feeling' that he's supposed to be there. Then blahblah happy ending, they say more stuff). Although some games go cliche, so bleeh. Though Ji's theory seems... So true O_O I don't pay attention too much >>;


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:57 am


yep it had to be a 2 years cause thats the coming of age ceremony, and i believe that after luke set lorelei free, lukes fonons started disapearing and you could see through him, right? then asch's hand moved so luke must have used the jewel of lorelei to hold his fonons and move them into asch's body. so luke used asch's body as a vessel for his soul.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:55 pm


darkness_in_all
yep it had to be a 2 years cause thats the coming of age ceremony, and i believe that after luke set lorelei free, lukes fonons started disapearing and you could see through him, right? then asch's hand moved so luke must have used the jewel of lorelei to hold his fonons and move them into asch's body. so luke used asch's body as a vessel for his soul.

I have to agree with you. Its quite likely Lorelei moved Luke into Asch's body to keep him alive, though the process would take forever... two years anyone?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:52 pm


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darkness_in_all
yep it had to be a 2 years cause thats the coming of age ceremony, and i believe that after luke set lorelei free, lukes fonons started disapearing and you could see through him, right? then asch's hand moved so luke must have used the jewel of lorelei to hold his fonons and move them into asch's body. so luke used asch's body as a vessel for his soul.

I have to agree with you. Its quite likely Lorelei moved Luke into Asch's body to keep him alive, though the process would take forever... two years anyone?


it sure seems that way. Plus, Van says that at the end of the game, Luke has become a true human being. With his fonons sepperating and Lorelie going out into the fon belt, there wouldn't be any seventh fonons to remake his body, so I'm betting that's what Lorelie did.

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freakofnature89

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:00 pm


Well, he was practically made of Seventh Fonons, since he's a perfect isofon for Lorelei (and Asch), as well as being a replica. And what exactly is a fonon sentience? It's a clump of fonons with a personality. Plus, he's a "fragment of [Lorelei's] soul."

So Luke's a fonon sentience, a fragment of Lorelei. Plus, how else was Lorelei going to put a stop to Yulia's score? It took a piece of itself, and put it inside "Luke" (before replication). That way, the pact wasn't technically valid. Then, when Asch was replicated, the sentience fragment split even further. In Eldrant, Asch gives Luke all of his seventh fonons (hyperresonace power included, also curing him of his disorder - larger clumps of like fonons stick together better). Thus, Asch is giving Luke his piece of Lorelei, so the original fragment is rejoined. At the end, the replica's body (the only one still alive) was host to a part of Lorelei. And when "Luke" (complete) dies, he'll go back to the fonon belt and rejoin the rest of himself.

This is all wild conjecture. Tell me if it makes sense to you all.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:52 pm


um kinda...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:32 pm


I kind of wish they'd have a sequel just for the possibility they'd say who returned.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:19 pm


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I kind of wish they'd have a sequel just for the possibility they'd say who returned.


I KIND OF DO AND KIND OF DON'T. A LOT OF SEQUALS WARP THE ORIGINAL IN SOME WAYS. I THINK TALES OF THE ABYSS SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE AS IS, BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE CLOSURE AT THE END. I BELIEVE IT'S LUKE, PERIOD. BUT I DON'T MIND AN ANIME! I WANNA SEE IT SOOO BAD!!!

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darkness_in_all

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:46 pm


Yeah it has to be luke...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:14 pm


It was Replica Luke who made the promise to Tear, so at least some of his conciousness had to have returned.

I don't want a sequel. An OVA should be good enough. ^^

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arctichelix

PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:32 am


I'd say it's Asch really, but with Luke at the same time. I'm not too sure, but I remember that in the contamination quest, Star told Jade that he died once and then was revived again, with the replica disappearing. It's either the original or the replica who disappeared, but still, in the end they merged into one so they weren't sure which died first.

Anyway, I was thinking it's Asch, but since Luke is the replica and they have merged, their memories might have come together as well. Though, it's more likely for me that since Asch is the original, it's his body that was retained, yet their memories are interconnected.

Did that make any sense? :/
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:09 am


arctichelix
I'd say it's Asch really, but with Luke at the same time. I'm not too sure, but I remember that in the contamination quest, Star told Jade that he died once and then was revived again, with the replica disappearing. It's either the original or the replica who disappeared, but still, in the end they merged into one so they weren't sure which died first.

Anyway, I was thinking it's Asch, but since Luke is the replica and they have merged, their memories might have come together as well. Though, it's more likely for me that since Asch is the original, it's his body that was retained, yet their memories are interconnected.

Did that make any sense? :/


It makes sense to me.

Both of their memories and conciousnesses combined into one body (probably the replica body, since the original's was dead at the time). But whose body it was doesn't really matter, since it's both of them at the end. In fact, it had been sort of "both of them" since Asch died, and gave Luke all of his power (along with himself and his memories, but neither of them probably knew that at the time).

Oh, and the Big Bang Theory and Contamination Effects fit in here, too. ^^ It's a very convenient placement of events.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:46 pm


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I'd say it's Asch really, but with Luke at the same time. I'm not too sure, but I remember that in the contamination quest, Star told Jade that he died once and then was revived again, with the replica disappearing. It's either the original or the replica who disappeared, but still, in the end they merged into one so they weren't sure which died first.

Anyway, I was thinking it's Asch, but since Luke is the replica and they have merged, their memories might have come together as well. Though, it's more likely for me that since Asch is the original, it's his body that was retained, yet their memories are interconnected.

Did that make any sense? :/


It makes sense to me.

Both of their memories and conciousnesses combined into one body (probably the replica body, since the original's was dead at the time). But whose body it was doesn't really matter, since it's both of them at the end. In fact, it had been sort of "both of them" since Asch died, and gave Luke all of his power (along with himself and his memories, but neither of them probably knew that at the time).

Oh, and the Big Bang Theory and Contamination Effects fit in here, too. ^^ It's a very convenient placement of events.


I really think it's the real "Luke." Right before he dies, Asch calles himself Luke Fon Fabre, even though he said that Luke could keep his name. It thinks it's sybolic for accepting Luke and the real person that Asch is. I think, that when he died, that gold was his spirit and it combined with Luke making them one again, making them the REAL Luke again. And at the end, the soul returned to the actual body, So, he "died once and was alive again." But in the end, replica Luke, his character is dominant, and he's the one that's returned, even though Asch is still part of him. Basically, they are one whole, have both the experiences, but the part of the soul that is stronger and more mature, remains at the surface. Now I've gone and confused myself...
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:09 pm


For the easily confused, both of them combined into one person. ^^

Now that I think about it, something is taken from the original in order for the replication to happen. If Luke was taken out of Asch, then they were really one person all along. Sort of. =/

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Jestina

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:19 am


I've pretty much always assumed they combined together into one person... now, whether that's really combining together (which essentially makes a whole new person), or whether they have to share one body while being two distinct people in mind, well, that I'm not so sure about.
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