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 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:09 pm
GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes Kinda odd, isn't it? Kinda fascinating. Like I said in my above post, sometimes the miracle isn't the action itself, but the impeccable TIMING of it all.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:24 pm
GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes I applaud your well put satirical sarcasm. (I totally agree with you.)
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:03 pm
GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes I love how I get called for being off-topic even when I'm not, and then stuff like this is allowed to be posted. stare It's the ultimate sign of the efficiency, neatness, and focus that we strive for. Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. Isn't it funny how those in a wealthy nation tend to have their prayers granted so much more often than people who are starving? I think God must favor the lucky. And now I will be caught once again by the ever-vigilant moderators.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:11 am
Lethkhar Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "no." evil Then I'll do a motorocycle leap over three buses and bring this back to the idea that God is STILL resting on his last "day" and really we're creating our own miracles through sheer willpower and belief. The human mind is a brilliant, brilliant creation. The people who work like it's all up to them and believe like it's all up to God tend to get their prayers answered with a yes more often. Is that some quirk of the human psyche, or is it really that God helps those who help themselves? Or is it just that some people are meant to undertake that journey to give strength and support to others who are about to embark on the same road?
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:05 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes I love how I get called for being off-topic even when I'm not, and then stuff like this is allowed to be posted. stare It's the ultimate sign of the efficiency, neatness, and focus that we strive for.
I know I sound like a broken record but, if you have a genuine complaint, you know the proper procedure. Complaining on threads is doing you no favours.Lethkhar Isn't it funny how those in a wealthy nation tend to have their prayers granted so much more often than people who are starving? I think God must favor the lucky.
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
Praying for something one already has doesn't count as an answered prayer. The truth is that wealthy nations tend not to realise how well they have it and squander what blessings they have instead of looking for the opportunities God presents for them to bless others.
Another passage of which I'm reminded (but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment) says that a person has no use for your prayers or well-wishes if you have what it is someone needs or is asking of you. For example, if someone is hungry and asks you for some of the food you have, prayer is not going to fill their bellies.Lethkhar And now I will be caught once again by the ever-vigilant moderators.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:56 pm
ryuu_chan Lethkhar Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "no." evil Hm...So how do you know He's doing anything? I could pray to anything and I'd be bound to have my prayers granted occasionally. It doesn't mean that praying did anything. Quote: Then I'll do a motorocycle leap over three buses and bring this back to the idea that God is STILL resting on his last "day" and really we're creating our own miracles through sheer willpower and belief. The human mind is a brilliant, brilliant creation. The people who work like it's all up to them and believe like it's all up to God tend to get their prayers answered with a yes more often. Is that some quirk of the human psyche, or is it really that God helps those who help themselves? Or is it just that some people are meant to undertake that journey to give strength and support to others who are about to embark on the same road? I think it probably has to do with the fact that people who work harder tend to be more successful.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:00 pm
Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes I love how I get called for being off-topic even when I'm not, and then stuff like this is allowed to be posted. stare It's the ultimate sign of the efficiency, neatness, and focus that we strive for.
I know I sound like a broken record but, if you have a genuine complaint, you know the proper procedure. Complaining on threads is doing you no favours. Are you kidding me? This has nothing to do with "Yome". I'm not complaining, I'm just commenting on how hilariously inconsistent you are. Quote: Lethkhar Isn't it funny how those in a wealthy nation tend to have their prayers granted so much more often than people who are starving? I think God must favor the lucky.
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
Praying for something one already has doesn't count as an answered prayer. The truth is that wealthy nations tend not to realise how well they have it and squander what blessings they have instead of looking for the opportunities God presents for them to bless others.
Another passage of which I'm reminded (but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment) says that a person has no use for your prayers or well-wishes if you have what it is someone needs or is asking of you. For example, if someone is hungry and asks you for some of the food you have, prayer is not going to fill their bellies.Why not? Doesn't God answer prayers? Quote: Lethkhar And now I will be caught once again by the ever-vigilant moderators. Or if they happen to have a sore spot for me.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:38 pm
Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes I love how I get called for being off-topic even when I'm not, and then stuff like this is allowed to be posted. stare It's the ultimate sign of the efficiency, neatness, and focus that we strive for.
I know I sound like a broken record but, if you have a genuine complaint, you know the proper procedure. Complaining on threads is doing you no favours. Are you kidding me? This has nothing to do with "Yome". I'm not complaining, I'm just commenting on how hilariously inconsistent you are.
Complaints against moderators are not open for discussion on the forums. You should know that perfectly well by now.Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar Isn't it funny how those in a wealthy nation tend to have their prayers granted so much more often than people who are starving? I think God must favor the lucky.
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
Praying for something one already has doesn't count as an answered prayer. The truth is that wealthy nations tend not to realise how well they have it and squander what blessings they have instead of looking for the opportunities God presents for them to bless others.
Another passage of which I'm reminded (but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment) says that a person has no use for your prayers or well-wishes if you have what it is someone needs or is asking of you. For example, if someone is hungry and asks you for some of the food you have, prayer is not going to fill their bellies.Why not? Doesn't God answer prayers?
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:48 pm
Lethkhar ryuu_chan Lethkhar Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "no." evil Hm...So how do you know He's doing anything? I could pray to anything and I'd be bound to have my prayers granted occasionally. It doesn't mean that praying did anything.
Intercepting that, I'd like to state that God's not a milk jug or any other substitute suited for the purpose of that argument.Lethkhar ryuu_chan Then I'll do a motorocycle leap over three buses and bring this back to the idea that God is STILL resting on his last "day" and really we're creating our own miracles through sheer willpower and belief. The human mind is a brilliant, brilliant creation. The people who work like it's all up to them and believe like it's all up to God tend to get their prayers answered with a yes more often. Is that some quirk of the human psyche, or is it really that God helps those who help themselves? Or is it just that some people are meant to undertake that journey to give strength and support to others who are about to embark on the same road? I think it probably has to do with the fact that people who work harder tend to be more successful.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:29 pm
Priestley Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 However, the major flaw in those ideas is that they are all coincidences. Every single one. All of the millions of billions of answered prayers are coincidences, all of the miricles of Jesus and the prophets are coincidences, and all of the things that match up with what the Bible said (mostly w/ archeology) are coincidences. All of them. EVERY LAST ONE. rolleyes I love how I get called for being off-topic even when I'm not, and then stuff like this is allowed to be posted. stare It's the ultimate sign of the efficiency, neatness, and focus that we strive for.
I know I sound like a broken record but, if you have a genuine complaint, you know the proper procedure. Complaining on threads is doing you no favours. Are you kidding me? This has nothing to do with "Yome". I'm not complaining, I'm just commenting on how hilariously inconsistent you are. But the discussion is not about "miracles in general", it's about creation. You can broaden a topic continually until you can talk about anything. I thought were were aiming for "focus". Quote: Complaints against moderators are not open for discussion on the forums. You should know that perfectly well by now. Again: No complaint here; just an observation. Quote: Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar Isn't it funny how those in a wealthy nation tend to have their prayers granted so much more often than people who are starving? I think God must favor the lucky.
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
Praying for something one already has doesn't count as an answered prayer. The truth is that wealthy nations tend not to realise how well they have it and squander what blessings they have instead of looking for the opportunities God presents for them to bless others.
Another passage of which I'm reminded (but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment) says that a person has no use for your prayers or well-wishes if you have what it is someone needs or is asking of you. For example, if someone is hungry and asks you for some of the food you have, prayer is not going to fill their bellies.Why not? Doesn't God answer prayers? What of God's love is shown by a prayer left unanswered?
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:32 pm
Priestley Lethkhar ryuu_chan Lethkhar Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "no." evil Hm...So how do you know He's doing anything? I could pray to anything and I'd be bound to have my prayers granted occasionally. It doesn't mean that praying did anything.
Intercepting that, I'd like to state that God's not a milk jug or any other substitute suited for the purpose of that argument. If you believe that that nullifies the argument, then you completely missed the point of the argument. The whole point of the argument is that God makes no more of an effect than a milk jug; he might as well be a milk jug as far as prayer is concerned. Quote: Lethkhar ryuu_chan Then I'll do a motorocycle leap over three buses and bring this back to the idea that God is STILL resting on his last "day" and really we're creating our own miracles through sheer willpower and belief. The human mind is a brilliant, brilliant creation. The people who work like it's all up to them and believe like it's all up to God tend to get their prayers answered with a yes more often. Is that some quirk of the human psyche, or is it really that God helps those who help themselves? Or is it just that some people are meant to undertake that journey to give strength and support to others who are about to embark on the same road? I think it probably has to do with the fact that people who work harder tend to be more successful. Please do not do that again. I find it deeply insulting and surprisingly ignorant coming from you. Thank you.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:26 pm
Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar ryuu_chan Lethkhar Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "no." evil Hm...So how do you know He's doing anything? I could pray to anything and I'd be bound to have my prayers granted occasionally. It doesn't mean that praying did anything.
Intercepting that, I'd like to state that God's not a milk jug or any other substitute suited for the purpose of that argument. If you believe that that nullifies the argument, then you completely missed the point of the argument. The whole point of the argument is that God makes no more of an effect than a milk jug; he might as well be a milk jug as far as prayer is concerned. Faith. One word can destroy most of your arguments. Quote: Quote: Lethkhar ryuu_chan Then I'll do a motorocycle leap over three buses and bring this back to the idea that God is STILL resting on his last "day" and really we're creating our own miracles through sheer willpower and belief. The human mind is a brilliant, brilliant creation. The people who work like it's all up to them and believe like it's all up to God tend to get their prayers answered with a yes more often. Is that some quirk of the human psyche, or is it really that God helps those who help themselves? Or is it just that some people are meant to undertake that journey to give strength and support to others who are about to embark on the same road? I think it probably has to do with the fact that people who work harder tend to be more successful. Please do not do that again. I find it deeply insulting and surprisingly ignorant coming from you. Thank you.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:49 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar ryuu_chan Lethkhar Of course, all of the unanswered prayers: The political prisoner, the coal miner suffocating to death, the HIV positive, the inoperable cancer patient, the soldiers who have lost their legs...They must just not be praying hard enough. God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is "no." evil Hm...So how do you know He's doing anything? I could pray to anything and I'd be bound to have my prayers granted occasionally. It doesn't mean that praying did anything.
Intercepting that, I'd like to state that God's not a milk jug or any other substitute suited for the purpose of that argument. If you believe that that nullifies the argument, then you completely missed the point of the argument. The whole point of the argument is that God makes no more of an effect than a milk jug; he might as well be a milk jug as far as prayer is concerned. Faith. One word can destroy most of your arguments. The question still stands, though; Why do you have faith in God and not a milk jug?
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:58 pm
Lethkhar The question still stands, though; Why do you have faith in God and not a milk jug? A milk jug is not spiritually fufilling. I've never felt its metaphysical presence, never felt the desire to be close to it emotionally. Once you have faith, so many other things develop. But, this is me personally.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:09 pm
ryuu_chan Lethkhar The question still stands, though; Why do you have faith in God and not a milk jug? A milk jug is not spiritually fufilling. I've never felt its metaphysical presence, never felt the desire to be close to it emotionally. Once you have faith, so many other things develop. But, this is me personally. Your personal preference is not of concern here. There are people who experience more emotional attachment to a milk jug than to your God. They can't both be supreme, can they? I have never felt the desire to be close to God. God does not fulfill me spiritually, no matter how hard I try and how deeply I search. Give me one good reason why I should worship God and not the milk jug.
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