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 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:07 pm
Dude-LAP knight_ man08 Dude-LAP Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player. i know another..... and still beleave in this as a bust REX GROSSMEN! i always thought Kyle Orton was better Well Rex Grossman isn't a rookie, but is totally a bust. He's been in this league for like 4 years, and hasn't really gotten anywhere. He hasn't had a good offensive line or receivers, but here's a stat...If I remember correctly, I think that it's like an average of 15 snaps for Rex Grossman to either fumble or throw an interception. He also has a bad time managing the offense. true
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:23 pm
Dude-LAP Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player. I understand what you're saying and, yes, they may blossom as time unfolds like Mario is now. And there are bigger busts like Grossman still playing out there. But, the question was who was the biggest draft bust. When I see that, I think of it as "Who was drafted in '07 to make an immediate impact and didn't?" JaMarcus Russell would certainly qualify for that, but again, because of his holdout, only played in 3 or 4 games. The ones that I mentioned were drafted to help their respective team's games and they didn't, which constitutes to me a "draft bust." Now, we could look at this a different way and go with the overall. Which player drafted had huge expectations and failed to live up to them through his career? I think that, for this one, it's a no-brainer: Ryan Leaf. Drafted #2 by the Chargers (after Peyton) and just went downhill from there. But, that's if we want to take a different route. In the end, I think it just comes down to how you interpret the question.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:13 pm
Da Big Ram Dude-LAP Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player. I understand what you're saying and, yes, they may blossom as time unfolds like Mario is now. And there are bigger busts like Grossman still playing out there. But, the question was who was the biggest draft bust. When I see that, I think of it as "Who was drafted in '07 to make an immediate impact and didn't?" JaMarcus Russell would certainly qualify for that, but again, because of his holdout, only played in 3 or 4 games. The ones that I mentioned were drafted to help their respective team's games and they didn't, which constitutes to me a "draft bust." Now, we could look at this a different way and go with the overall. Which player drafted had huge expectations and failed to live up to them through his career? I think that, for this one, it's a no-brainer: Ryan Leaf. Drafted #2 by the Chargers (after Peyton) and just went downhill from there. But, that's if we want to take a different route. In the end, I think it just comes down to how you interpret the question. Well, since you bring up all time, it may be Michael Vick. Vick was traded for Tomlinson and Drew Brees. ...Look who won an MVP in that time span, and averages 1.3 TD's per game played in his career? Tomlinson. Look who's in jail? Vick.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:16 pm
Dude-LAP Da Big Ram Dude-LAP Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player. I understand what you're saying and, yes, they may blossom as time unfolds like Mario is now. And there are bigger busts like Grossman still playing out there. But, the question was who was the biggest draft bust. When I see that, I think of it as "Who was drafted in '07 to make an immediate impact and didn't?" JaMarcus Russell would certainly qualify for that, but again, because of his holdout, only played in 3 or 4 games. The ones that I mentioned were drafted to help their respective team's games and they didn't, which constitutes to me a "draft bust." Now, we could look at this a different way and go with the overall. Which player drafted had huge expectations and failed to live up to them through his career? I think that, for this one, it's a no-brainer: Ryan Leaf. Drafted #2 by the Chargers (after Peyton) and just went downhill from there. But, that's if we want to take a different route. In the end, I think it just comes down to how you interpret the question. Well, since you bring up all time, it may be Michael Vick. Vick was traded for Tomlinson and Drew Brees. ...Look who won an MVP in that time span, and averages 1.3 TD's per game played in his career? Tomlinson. Look who's in jail? Vick. Also, Green Bay - Tony Mandrich (Rd. 1, Pk. 2, 1989) ...Who was picked with the very next selection? Barry Sanders sweatdrop
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