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| ...was a product of his past, with nudges from Jenova. |
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 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:26 pm
Sephiroth has no one to control him! He is what is now who people follow. Full of evil and wickedness. A crazy man who has no one to tell him what to do. If Sephiroth wants to kill then let him kill. Sephiroth never backs down from anything. He fears on one at all.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:01 pm
Omnislasher757 Sephiroth has no one to control him! He is what is now who people follow. Full of evil and wickedness. A crazy man who has no one to tell him what to do. If Sephiroth wants to kill then let him kill. Sephiroth never backs down from anything. He fears on one at all. Too true. Heh heh heh...
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:42 am
I say that he was nuts to begin with and that Jenova just fuled the fire. XP
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:37 pm
Personally I blame Hojo. Lol. Not really, well somewhat. I normally Blame Jenova and Him. . but of course Sephiroth-sama-kun had a choice but he was controlled by confsion of his entire life thiknign he found the truth and trying to find his purpose so to speak. . so. . . xp gonk . . I dunno, brain. . . fart.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:47 pm
I think Sephiorth was inocent, i think he was being controled by his mother and made him do what he did 3nodding 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:37 pm
Eternal_Spirit I think Sephiorth was inocent, i think he was being controled by his mother and made him do what he did 3nodding 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:58 pm
His mother was dead (lucrecia) and jenova didnt control him it was too weak. At first he was probably a little confused by thinking that a ancient was his real mother (although she wasn't really a ancient) but later he knew exactly what he was doing and I think he should keep up the good work.
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:41 pm
I think it's very interesting to note the difference in theories- not on the subject of his innocence, or even the basic story of Sephiroth, but very specificly: Who is Sephiroth's mother?
In my opinion (and I try to be as objective and informed as I can), Jenova really wasn't his mother as he thought (which makes Sephiroth a tragic character), but rather Lucrecia.
This train of thought, of course, generally leads to who his father is.
It's true Hojo claims to be his father, but two other theories include Vincent and Professor Gast, often including ideas that either Hojo "raped" (for lack of better word, to imply that he impregnated her against her will by whatever means) Lucrecia. This of course could lead Hojo to claim he was in fact Sephiroth's father, whether physically or platonicly (raising, injecting the cells, making him who he became, etc), based off those scarce facts that started these questions to begin with.
Anyway, I just thought I would point that out, concidering it does have some impact on whether or not Sephiroth was innocent.
Judging from your comments so far, I'd say it's tied for pure innocence and pure guilt, while the idea they were half and half has also been mentioned.
Keep it going!
By the way, Advent Children. exclaim HOLY OH MY GOD I am SO excited. I think I'm going to die, honestly. Seven years of waiting...
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:40 pm
the_pumpkin_king_7 I think it's very interesting to note the difference in theories- not on the subject of his innocence, or even the basic story of Sephiroth, but very specificly: Who is Sephiroth's mother?
In my opinion (and I try to be as objective and informed as I can), Jenova really wasn't his mother as he thought (which makes Sephiroth a tragic character), but rather Lucrecia.
This train of thought, of course, generally leads to who his father is.
It's true Hojo claims to be his father, but two other theories include Vincent and Professor Gast, often including ideas that either Hojo "raped" (for lack of better word, to imply that he impregnated her against her will by whatever means) Lucrecia. This of course could lead Hojo to claim he was in fact Sephiroth's father, whether physically or platonicly (raising, injecting the cells, making him who he became, etc), based off those scarce facts that started these questions to begin with.
Anyway, I just thought I would point that out, concidering it does have some impact on whether or not Sephiroth was innocent.
Judging from your comments so far, I'd say it's tied for pure innocence and pure guilt, while the idea they were half and half has also been mentioned.
Keep it going!
By the way, Advent Children. exclaim HOLY OH MY GOD I am SO excited. I think I'm going to die, honestly. Seven years of waiting... Hojo was Sephiroth's father and Lucrecia was with Hojo willingly. Jenova was not Sephiroth's mother Lucrecia was. Sephiroth was just injected with jenova cells when he was in the womb. (all of this came straight from the game so it's not a theory)
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:35 am
hmph.. a topic I discuss with my friends all the time... Innocence.. what is it? If it is truly a naivety of the world, of actions of what one does.. Sephiroth lost his innocence from a very young age... here's my opinion (for what it's worth) Sephiroth not only knew what he was doing, but he was Not insane... everything he did had a reason to it, From burning down Nibelheim, to killing the Midgar Zolom, to destroying Aeris. Not all his reasonings can be agreed with (well unless your a cold hearted female dog like I am...) but he Did have them... I have my theories on his reasons, although I won't post them all here without being asked since I have a habit of rambling then... suffice to say, I believe Sephiroth was neither evil (where one must be doing things for no reason, matter of opinion there though) nor insane. Angry, enraged, upset, and certainly possibly a little manipulated via Jenova's words, but never insane... everything he did had a purpose... and until the end where holy overcame Meteor... his purposes worked! Exactly as he wanted them to...
heh.. I ramble too much.. but yeah... there's my two pence for the moment... talk with me if you wanna know more of my thought processes.. razz
Reb aka Sephiroth Hi No Tenshi
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:07 am
Sephiroth was not controlled, but neither is he to blame... he was 'corrupted.' Think about it... All the feelings he felt when he found out he was just an expirement... and then finding out that Jenova was his mother (even though she wasn't)... and Jenova just used that to her advantage... he was already in the right condition for her to corrupt... he was all mad and semi-depressed... so thus he became nothing more than Jenova's corrupted soldier... a great warrior corrupted by his own past... sad... but yea... Even though he wasn't corrupted, what you must keep in mind, is that he was NOT evil... because to him, he was doing that right thing... there are two sides to this story, just like you can't call a Bhudist evil, you can't call him evil for his own beliefs... though I will admit, he was Chaotic... he didn't seem to like Law, and liked to cause Destruction, but that doesn't make him evil... in DnD terms, he was a Chaotic-Nuetral Corrupted Half-Celestial xD -is all nerdy-
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:45 pm
i think sephiroth is not controlled by "mother" and hes innocent inside and out
because Shinra hurt the planet by taking lifestream and if avalanche didn't show up the planet will be destroyed by shinra and plus
sephiroth said that eventually we'll find a new planet and create a new future there and so theplanet was partcially destroyed and so they will find a new planet so
SEPH'S INNOCENT xp xd
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:20 pm
I feel that, after discovering that his "mother" was one of the "Ancients" of lore, it left him in a weakened psychological state. From there, Jenova started playing with him. I'm not sure it was absolute control so much as brainwashing. Like she filled in the emotional/psychological scarring with her influence, told him her motives, and from there he was left to do her dirty work. Jenova may not have been directly controlling Sephiroth like a "puppet on strings" so to speak, but rather he knew what "mother" wanted and nothing else. If he was to stray too far from her plans, or was scheming to do something she didn't want him doing, it would be no problem for her to direct him otherwise.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:11 pm
More than likley he was inocent and guilty
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