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 Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:53 am
Griggle990 Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating). Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around. But with the increasing prices of consoles from one gen to the next prices are getting closer.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:56 am
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. Why do you think Sony and Microsoft are working toward 65nm and smaller versions of their processors? Microsoft I believe has already released their 65nm in the elite and current stock they're putting out. Sony I believe also recently put the 45nm RSX onto the 40GB and getting closer to releasing ones with 65nm CELL processors. These moves should make overheating and the such less frequent as the smaller processors will require less power. True, well its a start. I hope they make some for the PC.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:56 am
Griggle990 Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around. And it was the extra late-day technology and technical specifications that made consoles cost what they were worth is what you said, am I right? PC graphics cards and processors needs to slow down as well. The Geforce 8800 needs a 700W power supply, and the card takes up some serious space because of its large fan. The intel quad core processor needs a large heat sink and a fan in order for it to stay cool. Plus there needs to be some serious airflow in PCs these days. This needs to be improved, or else eventually every high end gaming computer will have to include 1000W+ power supplies, tons of extra fans, or water cooling. Then...gaming's future must not look too bright nowadays, or does it? neutral
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:59 am
HistoryWak Griggle990 Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around. But with the increasing prices of consoles from one gen to the next prices are getting closer. Consoles will never be over 1000$. The PS4 might be 700-800$, it will still be less than a PC with similar specs.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:01 pm
Griggle990 HistoryWak Griggle990 Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around. Consoles will never be over 1000$. The PS4 might be 700-800$, it will still be less than a PC with similar specs. Still, what good does that do? It's pretty expensive even then.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:02 pm
Griggle990 Canis Lupus the LoneWolf Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. Why do you think Sony and Microsoft are working toward 65nm and smaller versions of their processors? Microsoft I believe has already released their 65nm in the elite and current stock they're putting out. Sony I believe also recently put the 45nm RSX onto the 40GB and getting closer to releasing ones with 65nm CELL processors. These moves should make overheating and the such less frequent as the smaller processors will require less power. True, well its a start. I hope they make some for the PC. Page full of 65nm, and even a (very expensive) 45nm.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:19 pm
I say multi-genre games are kind of both sides. It's good to have like RPG mixed in with a sports game but sometimes that takes some of the actual good RPG games that are well RPG games. Plus there are too many games that try to be like other games that aren't really like any other games. Like Assassin's Creed, it's not Prince of Persia it's more MGS with a mix of Prince Persia.
Plus games that don't get attention still don't get attention.
The worst thing happening now is..the mini-game market.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:26 pm
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:46 pm
[Xera] I say multi-genre games are kind of both sides. It's good to have like RPG mixed in with a sports game but sometimes that takes some of the actual good RPG games that are well RPG games. Plus there are too many games that try to be like other games that aren't really like any other games. Like Assassin's Creed, it's not Prince of Persia it's more MGS with a mix of Prince Persia. Plus games that don't get attention still don't get attention. The worst thing happening now is..the mini-game market.Amen.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:52 pm
Daxelman
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
I believe there can be and is both. If there is too much of one genre then people who don't like the genre will see less of the genres they like. Of course too much of bad of a genre is never good. For mini-games there are plenty of good mini-games out there. People just see "mini-game" and think. "OMFGITZAWFULZ11" When it's "too much" of a genre they happen to like they love it and don't think a thing about it. People don't notice there is too much of something unless they don't like it or it's something bad. If it's good they don't notice it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:05 pm
HistoryWak Daxelman
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
I believe there can be and is both. If there is too much of one genre then people who don't like the genre will see less of the genres they like. Of course too much of bad of a genre is never good. For mini-games there are plenty of good mini-games out there. People just see "mini-game" and think. "OMFGITZAWFULZ11" When it's "too much" of a genre they happen to like they love it and don't think a thing about it. People don't notice there is too much of something unless they don't like it or it's something bad. If it's good they don't notice it. I don't know where you're coming from, but from what I can tell, most people see mini-game and think: "OMGGAWTZ2BUYNAU!!1" I'm old enough to remember when mini-game comps were good. Anyone here remember the first two Mario Party games? They rocked! Whatever happened to that? The only time I think "OMFGITZAWFUL11" is when a game is actually awful. And "awful" just so happens to describe pretty much every mini-game compilation released in the last year or two.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:08 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar HistoryWak Daxelman
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
I believe there can be and is both. If there is too much of one genre then people who don't like the genre will see less of the genres they like. Of course too much of bad of a genre is never good. For mini-games there are plenty of good mini-games out there. People just see "mini-game" and think. "OMFGITZAWFULZ11" When it's "too much" of a genre they happen to like they love it and don't think a thing about it. People don't notice there is too much of something unless they don't like it or it's something bad. If it's good they don't notice it. I don't know where you're coming from, but from what I can tell, most people see mini-game and think: "OMGGAWTZ2BUYNAU!!1" I'm old enough to remember when mini-game comps were good. Anyone here remember the first two Mario Party games? They rocked! Whatever happened to that? The only time I think "OMFGITZAWFUL11" is when a game is actually awful. And "awful" just so happens to describe pretty much every mini-game compilation released in the last year or two.
Im sorry, but I actually enjoyed Carnival Games, Raving Rabbids 1 and 2, WiiSports, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, and Viva Pinata: Party Animals.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:12 pm
Daxelman Arvis_Jaggamar HistoryWak Daxelman
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
I believe there can be and is both. If there is too much of one genre then people who don't like the genre will see less of the genres they like. Of course too much of bad of a genre is never good. For mini-games there are plenty of good mini-games out there. People just see "mini-game" and think. "OMFGITZAWFULZ11" When it's "too much" of a genre they happen to like they love it and don't think a thing about it. People don't notice there is too much of something unless they don't like it or it's something bad. If it's good they don't notice it. I don't know where you're coming from, but from what I can tell, most people see mini-game and think: "OMGGAWTZ2BUYNAU!!1" I'm old enough to remember when mini-game comps were good. Anyone here remember the first two Mario Party games? They rocked! Whatever happened to that? The only time I think "OMFGITZAWFUL11" is when a game is actually awful. And "awful" just so happens to describe pretty much every mini-game compilation released in the last year or two.
Im sorry, but I actually enjoyed Carnival Games, Raving Rabbids 1 and 2, WiiSports, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, and Viva Pinata: Party Animals.
And riding chocobos! Gotta love them! heart
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:15 pm
Fragments of Memories Daxelman Arvis_Jaggamar HistoryWak Daxelman
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
I believe there can be and is both. If there is too much of one genre then people who don't like the genre will see less of the genres they like. Of course too much of bad of a genre is never good. For mini-games there are plenty of good mini-games out there. People just see "mini-game" and think. "OMFGITZAWFULZ11" When it's "too much" of a genre they happen to like they love it and don't think a thing about it. People don't notice there is too much of something unless they don't like it or it's something bad. If it's good they don't notice it. I don't know where you're coming from, but from what I can tell, most people see mini-game and think: "OMGGAWTZ2BUYNAU!!1" I'm old enough to remember when mini-game comps were good. Anyone here remember the first two Mario Party games? They rocked! Whatever happened to that? The only time I think "OMFGITZAWFUL11" is when a game is actually awful. And "awful" just so happens to describe pretty much every mini-game compilation released in the last year or two.
Im sorry, but I actually enjoyed Carnival Games, Raving Rabbids 1 and 2, WiiSports, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, and Viva Pinata: Party Animals.
And riding chocobos! Gotta love them! heart
Oh Hell yes, The Chocobo's Pwnd.
I need to get the new DS game, the only reason I hated it was because I didn't have a DS!
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:16 pm
Daxelman Fragments of Memories Daxelman Arvis_Jaggamar HistoryWak Daxelman
There is no such thing as to much of said genre.
There is such a thing as to much bad of said genre.
I believe there can be and is both. If there is too much of one genre then people who don't like the genre will see less of the genres they like. Of course too much of bad of a genre is never good. For mini-games there are plenty of good mini-games out there. People just see "mini-game" and think. "OMFGITZAWFULZ11" When it's "too much" of a genre they happen to like they love it and don't think a thing about it. People don't notice there is too much of something unless they don't like it or it's something bad. If it's good they don't notice it. I don't know where you're coming from, but from what I can tell, most people see mini-game and think: "OMGGAWTZ2BUYNAU!!1" I'm old enough to remember when mini-game comps were good. Anyone here remember the first two Mario Party games? They rocked! Whatever happened to that? The only time I think "OMFGITZAWFUL11" is when a game is actually awful. And "awful" just so happens to describe pretty much every mini-game compilation released in the last year or two.
Im sorry, but I actually enjoyed Carnival Games, Raving Rabbids 1 and 2, WiiSports, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, and Viva Pinata: Party Animals.
And riding chocobos! Gotta love them! heart
Oh Hell yes, The Chocobo's Pwnd.
I need to get the new DS game, the only reason I hated it was because I didn't have a DS!
I recently smashed my DS in half.......shortly after listening to my then girlfriend cry because I tried breaking up with her....luckily I beat Chocobo Tales way before that happened, so I can't complain! blaugh
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