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 Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:03 am
Nymphiedora Dukes I ask that everyone who voted C (Other) for question 1 please check the edit I made to clarify what I meant and if necessary please change your answer. I personally feel we should draft Nymphie to count the votes because she's the only one who won't be affected by having to do it, as she's not running. If crew does it, it may cause certain crew to feel they cannot fairly run in an election they are counting the votes for. I'm fine with counting the votes whee I like it better that way anyways because im nosy like that <3
Are the votes going to be private, and in pms, or in a thread? I dont want to vote in a thread
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:33 pm
So... the first full week of January begins soon... therfore we need to wrap this up. I will be counting votes and such on FRIDAY. If you know people (AND WE ALL KNOW YOU DO) who haven't come here and given their input yet, get them to come here.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:51 pm
There's GOT to be more than 12 people in the guild... >_>
And Looking at it, so far, BASED ON VOTES and "other circumstances"...
If you don't like ANY of this, then vote, and let us know... or change your vote if you're thinking something different than what you said before...
Oh, and please go back over your votes, and check the questions... please make sure you answered them, and please elaborate on ANYTHING you think needs more detail... this IS being looked over, and if there's a couple people wanting something done a particular way (eg. the percentage to be called "victorious" in the finals... right now, it's 66% because of mine and Insom's input... if you want different, you MUST say so...)
Also, anything not mentioned at all, needs to be stated too... Else you can count on me to make arbitrary decisions that you may or may not like... o.o
Anyways, onto my analysis of the votes in here so far... o.o
1. Because of the fact that the question was changed, and I'm not so sure that people edited in new answers... SO FAR, Nymmie's gonna count the votes... and since we can't force her to actually run the election... And most people are voting C anyways in the regard of running... I'm doing it, unless someone has something against that, then we'll talk, k?
2. It's going to be a two tiered election with preliminaries and finals. The votes seem to be going for ONE VOTE PER PERSON (as opposed to a voter being able to vote for multiple candidates) in the prelims... I don't like that, but if that's what you all want...
3. The elections will be held over a period of FIVE DAYS... the question doesn't specify whether both prelims and finals each get five days, or if it's five days combined between the both of them... I'm inclined to believe that it's each, but if you don't like that...
4. Right now, it's a TIE for each first and second week of Jan. for elections to be held... If left as is, then I'll just do it the second week...
That's what it is. If you want it changed, then go and do SOMETHING... vote, change your vote, convince others to vote, convince others to change their votes... but if you don't do anything, this is how it is... o_o
*And, if/when I run the elections, I'm reserving the right to change anything at will... but ignoring people is almost never a good idea... ^_^
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:53 am
 I think Nymphie counting votes would be fine, but the votes need to be private. Let everyone send them in PMs over to Nymphie, or whoever will be doing the counting, because otherwise there's going to be a sheeping epidemic. We've all been guilty of sheep voting at least once in a game, we don't need that tendency to carry over into the elections.
I also agree the voting needs to be done in stages. A preliminary round to get rid of the weakest links, and then a second round, perhaps with some sort of question period for the remaining candidates, to sort out the winner. And the winner should definitely need a good majority vote. And not one with a hundred unknown mules throwing their vote in because they're getting gold out of it....
And the length in my opinion, should be as long as needed to get the job done. Because this is serious business, guys.
As for the number of votes, i think maybe two or three votes in preliminary and one for finals should be good, that way if you just can't decide between two people and you think more than one of them would do a good job, you could have the option to vote them.
Second week of january sounds good to me.
And sibby should run for captain. whee  Wallflower...
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:43 pm
Heart Shaped Toastie
And not one with a hundred unknown mules throwing their vote in because they're getting gold out of it....
Wallflower...
I've been worried about that happening. I think people should only be allowed to vote if they are in the guild. Non guild members have voted in GM elections before because people running have asked them to and I think thats unfair. And captain is an even bigger deal then GM. So I say we shouldnt let outsiders vote.
Sibeiko 2. It's going to be a two tiered election with preliminaries and finals. The votes seem to be going for ONE VOTE PER PERSON (as opposed to a voter being able to vote for multiple candidates) in the prelims... I don't like that, but if that's what you all want..
I've been worried about that happening. I think people should only be allowed to vote if they are in the guild. Non guild members have voted in
I DONT LIKE IT D: I like each person being able to vote for 2 people in prelims, 1 person in finals.
Sibeiko 3. The elections will be held over a period of FIVE DAYS... the question doesn't specify whether both prelims and finals each get five days, or if it's five days combined between the both of them... I'm inclined to believe that it's each, but if you don't like that...
I've been worried about that happening. I think people should only be allowed to vote if they are in the guild. Non guild members have voted in
I think it should be 5 days each.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:18 pm
I think I like that idea... Those that aren't in the guild shouldn't be allowed to vote, because:
1. They're probably biased for a certain "friend" coming in, already...
2. They're not actually part of the "community" and really shouldn't be able to throw in a vote (it'd be like the British voting for the American president... o.o)
But it seems that a lot of people don't care too much how the elections are held, so long as they can participate... and many of the more popular options are clearcut, and some of the... I wouldn't say unimportant... but "trivial" options are closely tied... the multi-votes in prelims are now about tied for example...
In any case, we'll see how it ends up, but it looks like it'll all work out fine... ^_^
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:16 am
1. Who's in charge?
Choice: A
Reason (if Other):
2. How will the elections be done?
Choice: B
Reason (if Other):
3. If prelims, how will voting work?
Choice: B
Reason (if Other):
4. How long will voting last?
Choice: B
Reason (if Other):
5. When does voting start?
Choice: B
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:47 pm
1. Who's in charge?
Choice: A
Reason (if Other):
2. How will the elections be done?
Choice: B
Reason (if Other):
3. If prelims, how will voting work?
Choice: B
Reason (if Other):
4. How long will voting last?
Choice: B
Reason (if Other):
5. When does voting start?
Choice: Second full week is the week after next, right? If so, second full week. =D B.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:20 pm
Okay, going back over, and checking the votes, and the new votes...
1. Nymmie's counting the votes.
2. It's gonna be two-stage... it's *near* unanimous
3. Close, very close, but now the "multi-votes" for prelims is ahead. 2 or 3 votes per person, there's a little bit of play here... but that's semi-trivial... and hell, might have to be played with if we get a whole bunch more runners, or no more at all... o_o
4. It's pretty much tied between 5 days and a week... Assuming this is per each "round"... All we really have to do is make sure there's enough time between the elections to count the votes from the prelims...
5. Second week of Jan seems to be favored by bit...
How it is so far... we start on the second week, run it through, count votes... For the finals, though, we need to be prepared for a runoff (since it appears that the 2/3 votes needed is favored here)... So we really can't do 'em the forth, because if we need a runoff... Nymmie will have already handed the guild over... So, for elections starting the second week, we do finals the third, and save the forth week for a "just in case" runoff scenario.
But other than the length of each round, it's *currently* clear... and that may have to be played with anyways...
Also, I'm curious, how would you all feel about having a "voter registration" thing? Where all the voters sign up saying they're gonna vote... That way, we'll know if everyone votes before the end of the round, and we can just end that round early? It's a little more work, and I'm not sure if I like, it, but it's something to think about... Not that I'm trying to get Nymmie out of her position early, but it would be nice if, lets say the prelims ended early... it'd give us more time for the finalists to "campaign." o_O It would also just let us reject "outsiders" from voting beforehand...
It would, however, make it difficult, if, lets say someone who was forced to be away, and came back near the end... they wouldn't get to vote... Also, it may not be a good idea to end either of the elections early, because of the aforementioned example, and it wouldn't allow people to change their votes later... (during what would have been the scheduled election time, after it got abruptly ended)
Up to you though, it's just an idea, and I'm really on the fencepost about it... o_O( )
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:46 am
Sibeiko Okay, going back over, and checking the votes, and the new votes... 1. Nymmie's counting the votes. 2. It's gonna be two-stage... it's *near* unanimous 3. Close, very close, but now the "multi-votes" for prelims is ahead. 2 or 3 votes per person, there's a little bit of play here... but that's semi-trivial... and hell, might have to be played with if we get a whole bunch more runners, or no more at all... o_o 4. It's pretty much tied between 5 days and a week... Assuming this is per each "round"... All we really have to do is make sure there's enough time between the elections to count the votes from the prelims... 5. Second week of Jan seems to be favored by bit... How it is so far... we start on the second week, run it through, count votes... For the finals, though, we need to be prepared for a runoff (since it appears that the 2/3 votes needed is favored here)... So we really can't do 'em the forth, because if we need a runoff... Nymmie will have already handed the guild over... So, for elections starting the second week, we do finals the third, and save the forth week for a "just in case" runoff scenario. But other than the length of each round, it's *currently* clear... and that may have to be played with anyways... Also, I'm curious, how would you all feel about having a "voter registration" thing? Where all the voters sign up saying they're gonna vote... That way, we'll know if everyone votes before the end of the round, and we can just end that round early? It's a little more work, and I'm not sure if I like, it, but it's something to think about... Not that I'm trying to get Nymmie out of her position early, but it would be nice if, lets say the prelims ended early... it'd give us more time for the finalists to "campaign." o_O It would also just let us reject "outsiders" from voting beforehand... It would, however, make it difficult, if, lets say someone who was forced to be away, and came back near the end... they wouldn't get to vote... Also, it may not be a good idea to end either of the elections early, because of the aforementioned example, and it wouldn't allow people to change their votes later... (during what would have been the scheduled election time, after it got abruptly ended) Up to you though, it's just an idea, and I'm really on the fencepost about it... o_O( )
I don't think we should do the voter registration. Just asking for trouble. People will complain if they are away and miss it. Too much trouble.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:23 pm
I don't really care how elections are held, but I was under the impression they'd be done in February?
Why did that change?
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:35 pm
First thing we need to decide: Who will preside over these elections?
B. Crew
Second thing: How will these elections go?
A. One Round, Straight Shot
Third thing: If it turns out it is decided we will have prelims, how should voting work?
A. Same as the regular elections -- One Vote Per Person
Fourth thing: How long should voting last?
B. One Week
Fifth thing: When should voting begin?
D. Fourth full week of January
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:30 pm
[Q] I don't really care how elections are held, but I was under the impression they'd be done in February? Why did that change?
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:35 pm
[Q] I don't really care how elections are held, but I was under the impression they'd be done in February? Why did that change? Nymphie said the guild's getting handed over to SOMEONE by Feb. 1. So, obviously, it would be a good idea to do the elections before then... rather than have her hand the guild to someone only to have them hand it to someone else. o.o And Dukes, I think that NOT having it a majority vote is asking for trouble... lets say we've got 3 candidates for the finals, one gets 40%, and the others get 30% (exact numbers unlikely). The people who were split between the other two, presented with ONLY two candidates (one of the 30's and the 40) may all pile up on the one 30, making them 60% and ahead. Ultimately, if it's not done this way, then the person that the majority of the guild would consent on may very well not get voted in. And really, even if 66% is high, I REALLY think it'd be a bad thing for any candidate to win with ANY LESS than 50% of the guild on their side. Less than that is asking for all sorts of issues, like people NOT being happy with the decision. And I know that Pixie, Insom, Toastie, and myself all seem to agree with this idea in some fashion, and the only person against it (if we include my other thread, then add Sin to the party with you) would be yourself. No one else has said anything about it (that I can recall). I mean, if enough people let me know that they DON'T like that, then it won't get done like that... But as it stands, that's how it's set... o.o Vote here (or change your vote) if you don't like it. And if you don't care, then just wait until you can vote for your candidate(s) of choice. ^_^
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:34 am
Sibeiko [Q] I don't really care how elections are held, but I was under the impression they'd be done in February? Why did that change? Nymphie said the guild's getting handed over to SOMEONE by Feb. 1. So, obviously, it would be a good idea to do the elections before then... rather than have her hand the guild to someone only to have them hand it to someone else. o.o And Dukes, I think that NOT having it a majority vote is asking for trouble... lets say we've got 3 candidates for the finals, one gets 40%, and the others get 30% (exact numbers unlikely). The people who were split between the other two, presented with ONLY two candidates (one of the 30's and the 40) may all pile up on the one 30, making them 60% and ahead. Ultimately, if it's not done this way, then the person that the majority of the guild would consent on may very well not get voted in. And really, even if 66% is high, I REALLY think it'd be a bad thing for any candidate to win with ANY LESS than 50% of the guild on their side. Less than that is asking for all sorts of issues, like people NOT being happy with the decision. And I know that Pixie, Insom, Toastie, and myself all seem to agree with this idea in some fashion, and the only person against it (if we include my other thread, then add Sin to the party with you) would be yourself. No one else has said anything about it (that I can recall). I mean, if enough people let me know that they DON'T like that, then it won't get done like that... But as it stands, that's how it's set... o.o Vote here (or change your vote) if you don't like it. And if you don't care, then just wait until you can vote for your candidate(s) of choice. ^_^
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