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 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:08 pm
Wow...I got a quote whee
Anyways, I'm not too worried about "wow" games for my system of choice...honestly. I had my Gamecube, and I stuck by it through high school and my early year at Gamestop. People weren't interested, but I loved the games. Personally, it doesn't matter if Wii games sell well. All that matters is that Nintendo sells enough to stay in business and produce games that I will enjoy, and I will come back for more.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:36 pm
SuperJawes2112 Wow...I got a quote whee Anyways, I'm not too worried about "wow" games for my system of choice...honestly. I had my Gamecube, and I stuck by it through high school and my early year at Gamestop. People weren't interested, but I loved the games. Personally, it doesn't matter if Wii games sell well. All that matters is that Nintendo sells enough to stay in business and produce games that I will enjoy, and I will come back for more. Nintendo's friggen immortal! It will not die. No ne has killed it yet and I haven't seen a self destruct button for them (though if there is one Tangocat will most likely reveal it via a comedy pic). If I was ever to buy stock, I'd buy stock in Nintendo.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:43 pm
Sakyh SuperJawes2112 Wow...I got a quote whee Anyways, I'm not too worried about "wow" games for my system of choice...honestly. I had my Gamecube, and I stuck by it through high school and my early year at Gamestop. People weren't interested, but I loved the games. Personally, it doesn't matter if Wii games sell well. All that matters is that Nintendo sells enough to stay in business and produce games that I will enjoy, and I will come back for more. Nintendo's friggen immortal! It will not die. No ne has killed it yet and I haven't seen a self destruct button for them (though if there is one Tangocat will most likely reveal it via a comedy pic). If I was ever to buy stock, I'd buy stock in Nintendo. The point of stock is to try to make money... Many believe that the big N's stocks are at the highest it will be, and frankly, only investing in Nintendo would be foolish because in the unlikely event of the industry bottoming out again, they will have nothing to fall back on unlike many other options out there.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:57 pm
Part-Time Viking Sakyh SuperJawes2112 Wow...I got a quote whee Anyways, I'm not too worried about "wow" games for my system of choice...honestly. I had my Gamecube, and I stuck by it through high school and my early year at Gamestop. People weren't interested, but I loved the games. Personally, it doesn't matter if Wii games sell well. All that matters is that Nintendo sells enough to stay in business and produce games that I will enjoy, and I will come back for more. Nintendo's friggen immortal! It will not die. No ne has killed it yet and I haven't seen a self destruct button for them (though if there is one Tangocat will most likely reveal it via a comedy pic). If I was ever to buy stock, I'd buy stock in Nintendo. The point of stock is to try to make money... Many believe that the big N's stocks are at the highest it will be, and frankly, only investing in Nintendo would be foolish because in the unlikely event of the industry bottoming out again, they will have nothing to fall back on unlike many other options out there. Good point, but just to make it clear, what you mean is that if Sony fails with its PS3, it can still regain money with its sales in TVs and Vaio's, and if Microsoft's 360 fails, they can't get bankrupt because...well, windows. If Nintendo fails, they don't have any other sales to get their money back. Is that what you meant?
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:37 pm
Overwhelming successes (i.e. Nintendo DS) can overshadow successes (i.e PSP) and make them seem like they are bad or a failure... but I never thought of applying that principle to hype.
You made a good point Wak.
IMHO, seeing as how MGS4 is mainly for MGS fans, (not a lot of non-MGS fans are going to buy it to jump right in the series towards its end) I doubt it can overshadow other games... seeing as how a lot of non-fans don't really give a s**t about MGS.
If MGS was more of a casual/mainstream game, and possibly the first instead of the "last" in the series, I could see it happening. But that's with a lot of IF's.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:58 pm
Ace Paladin Overwhelming successes (i.e. Nintendo DS) can overshadow successes (i.e PSP) and make them seem like they are bad or a failure... but I never thought of applying that principle to hype.
You made a good point Wak.
IMHO, seeing as how MGS4 is mainly for MGS fans, (not a lot of non-MGS fans are going to buy it to jump right in the series towards its end) I doubt it can overshadow other games... seeing as how a lot of non-fans don't really give a s**t about MGS.
If MGS was more of a casual/mainstream game, and possibly the first instead of the "last" in the series, I could see it happening. But that's with a lot of IF's. The writers of PSM placed MGS4 at #1 on their Ten Most Wanted games of '08. They also said that casual gamers and non-fans WILL want to play this game. *shrugs*
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:33 pm
Ozaki Part-Time Viking Sakyh SuperJawes2112 Wow...I got a quote whee Anyways, I'm not too worried about "wow" games for my system of choice...honestly. I had my Gamecube, and I stuck by it through high school and my early year at Gamestop. People weren't interested, but I loved the games. Personally, it doesn't matter if Wii games sell well. All that matters is that Nintendo sells enough to stay in business and produce games that I will enjoy, and I will come back for more. Nintendo's friggen immortal! It will not die. No ne has killed it yet and I haven't seen a self destruct button for them (though if there is one Tangocat will most likely reveal it via a comedy pic). If I was ever to buy stock, I'd buy stock in Nintendo. The point of stock is to try to make money... Many believe that the big N's stocks are at the highest it will be, and frankly, only investing in Nintendo would be foolish because in the unlikely event of the industry bottoming out again, they will have nothing to fall back on unlike many other options out there. Good point, but just to make it clear, what you mean is that if Sony fails with its PS3, it can still regain money with its sales in TVs and Vaio's, and if Microsoft's 360 fails, they can't get bankrupt because...well, windows. If Nintendo fails, they don't have any other sales to get their money back. Is that what you meant? Eh I just meant that for overall stability Nintendo would be viable ebcause nothing's been able to kill it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:55 pm
Sakyh Ozaki Part-Time Viking Sakyh SuperJawes2112 Wow...I got a quote whee Anyways, I'm not too worried about "wow" games for my system of choice...honestly. I had my Gamecube, and I stuck by it through high school and my early year at Gamestop. People weren't interested, but I loved the games. Personally, it doesn't matter if Wii games sell well. All that matters is that Nintendo sells enough to stay in business and produce games that I will enjoy, and I will come back for more. Nintendo's friggen immortal! It will not die. No ne has killed it yet and I haven't seen a self destruct button for them (though if there is one Tangocat will most likely reveal it via a comedy pic). If I was ever to buy stock, I'd buy stock in Nintendo. The point of stock is to try to make money... Many believe that the big N's stocks are at the highest it will be, and frankly, only investing in Nintendo would be foolish because in the unlikely event of the industry bottoming out again, they will have nothing to fall back on unlike many other options out there. Good point, but just to make it clear, what you mean is that if Sony fails with its PS3, it can still regain money with its sales in TVs and Vaio's, and if Microsoft's 360 fails, they can't get bankrupt because...well, windows. If Nintendo fails, they don't have any other sales to get their money back. Is that what you meant? Eh I just meant that for overall stability Nintendo would be viable ebcause nothing's been able to kill it. Yeah, I understand that you cannot kill the Nintendo, but if they ever become bankrupt, they can't get back on their feet.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:57 pm
Ozaki Yeah, I understand that you cannot kill the Nintendo, but if they ever become bankrupt, they can't get back on their feet.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:13 pm
The Death Blues Mix Ozaki Yeah, I understand that you cannot kill the Nintendo, but if they ever become bankrupt, they can't get back on their feet. Oh yeah, it's probably gonna be a cold day in hell before Nintendo goes bankrupt. I'm not sure if they'll go bankrupt first (a long time from now) or will retire (which companies usually don't do that).
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:03 pm
Harvest Moon (Wii)
FF: Crystal Chronicles 2 Crystal Bearers
MarioKart Wii
Of all of these, I'm suprised that I've heard nothing about Mariokart Wii. That game would make demand for Wiis go through the ROOF! Come on, Nintendo!
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:42 pm
Ozaki The Death Blues Mix Ozaki Yeah, I understand that you cannot kill the Nintendo, but if they ever become bankrupt, they can't get back on their feet. Oh yeah, it's probably gonna be a cold day in hell before Nintendo goes bankrupt. I'm not sure if they'll go bankrupt first (a long time from now) or will retire (which companies usually don't do that).
It's the price to pay when people start jumping into "unexplored" investments.
That's what would really hurt Nintendo is the fact that they don't have back ups. Not for money sake, but the investors.
After that the stock would decline in price and some ambitious company, or Sony, or Microsoft, or Apple, would buy up 50% of the shares so that they hold majority.
That would happen long before Nintendo ever chances bankruptcy.
At Legends: Harvest Moon is a niche game. As much fun as I've had with HM:BtN (still have the original PSone disc in working condition) nothing with get anyone to play a farm simulator that isn't already interested in that particular franchise.
Same with FF: CCTCB. It's a niche with in it's own franchise. It will be overshadowed by it's own name simply because it isn't Ivalice Alliance, a numeral, or anything in the FFVII compilation.
MarioKart Wii is arguable. Not in the sense of it not bringing up demand, but because Gran Turismo 5 is coming out (probably not but if it is) next year. I know, they have nothing to do with each other. However... the Japanese are buying the $40 demo and PS3s to go with it. Seriously...
EU will eat it up because of Top Gear's involvement.
Burnout Paradise is also scheduled for next year.
It's also arguable that it could follow the Halo effect. Considering that most of the people that bought Halo 3 already own 360s, MarioKart Wii could theoretically be purchased by people whom already own it. Just as people are saying will happen to MGS4 and DMC4.
WiiFit has a 50/50 chance in the US. If it takes off, everything else will be left by the wayside.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:13 pm
The Death Blues Mix Ozaki The Death Blues Mix Ozaki Yeah, I understand that you cannot kill the Nintendo, but if they ever become bankrupt, they can't get back on their feet. Oh yeah, it's probably gonna be a cold day in hell before Nintendo goes bankrupt. I'm not sure if they'll go bankrupt first (a long time from now) or will retire (which companies usually don't do that).
It's the price to pay when people start jumping into "unexplored" investments.
That's what would really hurt Nintendo is the fact that they don't have back ups. Not for money sake, but the investors.
After that the stock would decline in price and some ambitious company, or Sony, or Microsoft, or Apple, would buy up 50% of the shares so that they hold majority.
That would happen long before Nintendo ever chances bankruptcy.
At Legends: Harvest Moon is a niche game. As much fun as I've had with HM:BtN (still have the original PSone disc in working condition) nothing with get anyone to play a farm simulator that isn't already interested in that particular franchise.
Same with FF: CCTCB. It's a niche with in it's own franchise. It will be overshadowed by it's own name simply because it isn't Ivalice Alliance, a numeral, or anything in the FFVII compilation.
MarioKart Wii is arguable. Not in the sense of it not bringing up demand, but because Gran Turismo 5 is coming out (probably not but if it is) next year. I know, they have nothing to do with each other. However... the Japanese are buying the $40 demo and PS3s to go with it. Seriously...
EU will eat it up because of Top Gear's involvement.
Burnout Paradise is also scheduled for next year.
It's also arguable that it could follow the Halo effect. Considering that most of the people that bought Halo 3 already own 360s, MarioKart Wii could theoretically be purchased by people whom already own it. Just as people are saying will happen to MGS4 and DMC4.
WiiFit has a 50/50 chance in the US. If it takes off, everything else will be left by the wayside.All that was nice but Nintendo still has the DS and the Japanese market by it's throat. All nice but saying that Nintendo will bankrupt is like saying everyone is going to own a Mac in the next year. It's not going to happen. The DS still rules the handheld market. Nintendo is not going to stop unless a dramatic change happens. Like..Miyamoto or Iwata suddenly retires. What I think might happen is Sony's division might be re-tooled and basically hire new people for their gaming division. As far as I know Square is still making more games for Nintendo. And plus Kingdom Hearts on the DS will boosts sales, so no Nintendo will never go bankrupt unless a dramatic change happens in their offices.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:50 pm
Zombicide To be honest, they don't. GTA IV look's like it will just be San Andreas in a "new outfit". The same thing as San Andreas, except with new environments and better graphics. MGS4 looks good, just not nearly as good as the fanboys make it seem. Final Fantasy XIII? Oh, don't even get me started......face it people. It's going to be the same damn thing as the last few installments. Resident Evil 5 looks promising; I just hope character movement will be more fluid and free than it was in RE4. You have no proof for any of those clames about GTA4, and FF13. We know almost nothig about anyof those games. Its way too early to make any judgements on any of them. For all we know FF13 might actualy become the best RPG game of 2008, and GTA4 might become the best action game of 2008. Plus Resident Evil 5 might even be a bad game who knows.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:01 pm
[Xera] The Death Blues Mix Actually, it's more likely that Nintendo would lose investors since they only make money when a company grows. If the Wii doesn't see a better fourth and first quarter than last year, or if it even declines with in 100,000 units from last year, the investors will sell stock while it's still high.
It's the price to pay when people start jumping into "unexplored" investments.
That's what would really hurt Nintendo is the fact that they don't have back ups. Not for money sake, but the investors.
After that the stock would decline in price and some ambitious company, or Sony, or Microsoft, or Apple, would buy up 50% of the shares so that they hold majority.
That would happen long before Nintendo ever chances bankruptcy.
At Legends: Harvest Moon is a niche game. As much fun as I've had with HM:BtN (still have the original PSone disc in working condition) nothing with get anyone to play a farm simulator that isn't already interested in that particular franchise.
Same with FF: CCTCB. It's a niche with in it's own franchise. It will be overshadowed by it's own name simply because it isn't Ivalice Alliance, a numeral, or anything in the FFVII compilation.
MarioKart Wii is arguable. Not in the sense of it not bringing up demand, but because Gran Turismo 5 is coming out (probably not but if it is) next year. I know, they have nothing to do with each other. However... the Japanese are buying the $40 demo and PS3s to go with it. Seriously...
EU will eat it up because of Top Gear's involvement.
Burnout Paradise is also scheduled for next year.
It's also arguable that it could follow the Halo effect. Considering that most of the people that bought Halo 3 already own 360s, MarioKart Wii could theoretically be purchased by people whom already own it. Just as people are saying will happen to MGS4 and DMC4.
WiiFit has a 50/50 chance in the US. If it takes off, everything else will be left by the wayside. All that was nice but Nintendo still has the DS and the Japanese market by it's throat. All nice but saying that Nintendo will bankrupt is like saying everyone is going to own a Mac in the next year. It's not going to happen. The DS still rules the handheld market. Nintendo is not going to stop unless a dramatic change happens. Like..Miyamoto or Iwata suddenly retires. What I think might happen is Sony's division might be re-tooled and basically hire new people for their gaming division. As far as I know Square is still making more games for Nintendo. And plus Kingdom Hearts on the DS will boosts sales, so no Nintendo will never go bankrupt unless a dramatic change happens in their offices.
It's driven by growth, not stable profits. Despite the lack luster performance of the PS3 Sony as a company has continued to grow. That makes investors happy because their stocks become worth more. It's like having prime real estate. As far as Nintendo is concerned, because it's a pseudo one trick pony having only the videogame industry as an operations field, the real estate is somewhat different.
It's more like buying a sea side property. Nice, but there is always a chance of something going wrong. You sell before the water creeps too far up the beach for your liking while the property is still worth it's most in your eyes.
No one is saying Nintendo is going to go bankrupt. What I'm saying is there is more chances of a major stock exchange than bankruptcy.
Kingdom Hearts is arguable since the "canon" story game is on PSP. The DS version is a spin off side story to KHII. The PSP game is what the teaser at the end of KHII was teasing for. Kingdom Hearts on PSP will also boost sales. Plus, PSP also has Dissidia. Square's "Smash Bros" if you will.
Even if Square is making more games for Nintendo the arguably "big" games are appearing on PS3, 360, and mobile phones. Fabula Nova Crystallis, Parasite Eve 3, the Tri-Ace stuff, etc. Crystal Chronicles won't out do a proper numeral Final Fantasy. Hell, look what FFVII Crisis Core did for PSP in Japan.
Sony's game division won't be restructured. It already has been. The electronics division maybe, but the games division is fine seeing as they've got JapanStudio, Polyphony, Naughty Dog, amongst other first/second party devs. The only other retooling that could happen is that Sony picks up more studios.
However, back to my original point. I wasn't saying Nintendo would go bankrupt. What I was trying to address was the nature of stock investors in a newer media along with how investors react to market shifts.
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