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 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:03 am
It is impossible to be certain of anything. There is no way to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that anything exists. At some point, assumptions have to be made. Even our method of proving things, the scientific method, can only be proven by using the scientific method, because we have on other means of providing proof, and that is circular reasoning and a logical fallacy. So nothing can be proved. That is not, however, to say that nothing exists, more that we just have no idea what exists, or if it exists after all. I have often wondered if others have thoughts like mine, if others feel things the way that I do. There is no real way to know, you just have to assume that reality is as you percieve it. I try not to dwell on the thought too much, because whether things are true or not, it doesn't really matter. I'm going to continue living my life the way I percieve it, whether or not that is real.
Do you ever wonder if your memories are just fabrications, though? Sometimes I swear I remember things that didn't actually happen. So how do I know what was real? How do I distinguish between reality and dreams? I have a picture on my desk of two people. Who are they? I assume that one is me, because when I look in a mirror, which I accept to be an accurate representation of my physical appearance, I look similar to the person in the picture, and who is the other? I remember him as a friend, more than a friend, but does he really exist? And if he doesn't, where do these memories come from? And the memories that didn't really happen, where did they come from. Because I do remember things that did, according to the reality that others perceive, were never reality. Where do they come from, if they never happened?
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:56 am
AriaStarSong Do you ever wonder if your memories are just fabrications, though? Once... I had an experiance that was the result of conflict between me and my step mom... She was doing the laundry that day... and said to me it was because Dad needed clothes. On a phone call, however, she said it was because I had packed less shirts than I "should" have, and that I "needed" more shirts. I thought out loud that I thought she had said Dad, not me, had needed the clothes. The back of her hand decided to meet the side of my head. crying The next day though... I remembered the event, but it felt like it was a dream. sweatdrop As in... I remember the details that she hit me, of what was said, and Dad saying something along the lines of I deserved it. But... the thing is... I know I cried and was somewhat hysterical from it... but I felt nothing. No repercussions, no emotion, nothing came from the thought and "memory" of it. I began to ask myself if indeed it had happened... and if not, what day it was. sad Subconcious way of dealing with a disturbing thing, maybe? It was such a long time ago, I can't even remember if I was right about the days for sure... since I know I remember events, but not times or dates. (Another thing... I don't want to go see Dad again, because of a "fit" my stepmom decided to throw last summer that I went there. They want to see me again, and she thinks I'm mad at her as a result of me saying no. Sometimes I wonder if she thinks I was at fault for it all...) Still... regardless of what it is, I just know I don't really want to be there again. All my life... I've been thinking that cutting contact with immediate family would be for the best upon moving out. For me or them, I couldn't tell though... Sorry, I'm on a rambling again... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:22 pm
wow this is what happens when you get to many skeptics together. all they can talk about is how they don't know anything.
As socrates said "True knowledge lies in knowing that you know nothing."
I am suprised that no one has bruoght up "cogito ergo sum" for this is exactly the problem that it was meant to answer. We at least know that somthing exists for we can think.
Of course I have never agreed with the proof myself.
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:06 pm
I'm sorry but I can't go with "cogito ergo sum" for how do we know thath we truely do think, and what we think are our own thoughts?
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:19 pm
Fools-luck I'm sorry but I can't go with "cogito ergo sum" for how do we know thath we truely do think, and what we think are our own thoughts? Do you think your thinking? Well then you are. I know that I think I'm thinking. Therefore I can at least say that I am by definition thinking. As for how we know that these thoughts belong to us. I don't know about you but I define myself by my body of thoughts. I am what I think. Therefore my thoughts are mine. There is also the more important question here. Does anything exist. It dosn't matter weather our thoughts are our own only that something is thinking. My problem with the argument has always been that I have to wonder how thought proves existance anymore than say perception, movment, mass,volume, etc. I see therefore I am? I move therefore I am? I take wheigh therefore I am? I take up space therefore I am?
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:36 pm
But what is the definition of thinking? We set up that definition, so the whole thing could be a total delusion. Usually I find such questions a waste of time to ponder. I find it more intriging to consider if there is anything that does not exist rather than if things DO exist.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:33 pm
Starlock But what is the definition of thinking? We set up that definition, so the whole thing could be a total delusion. Usually I find such questions a waste of time to ponder. I find it more intriging to consider if there is anything that does not exist rather than if things DO exist. Arn't they part of the same question?
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:21 pm
Yay! Intelligence! I wish I had returned to the guild sooner.
I agree with you completely. Everything you have ever learned was based on your assumption that the person you learned it from was correct. But that person also based their knowledge on assumptions. And the person who first discovered that tidbit of knowledge assumed that he was right. And we all know what happens when we assume... make an a** out of u and me (a** u me)
Once, I got so ******** up partying that I made a sign that said "I know nothing." and hung it around my neck. Everyone laughed and called me stupid, but I felt pretty damn smart for admitting the truth.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:36 pm
ochimaru Yay! Intelligence! I wish I had returned to the guild sooner. I agree with you completely. Everything you have ever learned was based on your assumption that the person you learned it from was correct. But that person also based their knowledge on assumptions. And the person who first discovered that tidbit of knowledge assumed that he was right. And we all know what happens when we assume... make an a** out of u and me (a** u me) Once, I got so ******** up partying that I made a sign that said "I know nothing." and hung it around my neck. Everyone laughed and called me stupid, but I felt pretty damn smart for admitting the truth. I love it!!!
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:30 am
This doesn't undermine the value of knowledge, but it does highlight the often overlooked importance of being mercilessly critical of our own beliefs and those of others.
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:46 am
Invictus_88 This doesn't undermine the value of knowledge, but it does highlight the often overlooked importance of being mercilessly critical of our own beliefs and those of others. Can something that does not exist have value?
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:48 pm
vorel_vargach Invictus_88 This doesn't undermine the value of knowledge, but it does highlight the often overlooked importance of being mercilessly critical of our own beliefs and those of others. Can something that does not exist have value?
If it exists, it has a value attached to it.
If it exists as a concept, it has a value if people value it.
If it does ot exist at all, it can have no value.
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:45 am
Invictus_88 vorel_vargach Invictus_88 This doesn't undermine the value of knowledge, but it does highlight the often overlooked importance of being mercilessly critical of our own beliefs and those of others. Can something that does not exist have value?
If it exists, it has a value attached to it.
If it exists as a concept, it has a value if people value it.
If it does ot exist at all, it can have no value.So knoweldge does not exist but it still has value beacuse crazy people like us value the concept of it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:31 pm
vorel_vargach Invictus_88 vorel_vargach Invictus_88 This doesn't undermine the value of knowledge, but it does highlight the often overlooked importance of being mercilessly critical of our own beliefs and those of others. Can something that does not exist have value?
If it exists, it has a value attached to it.
If it exists as a concept, it has a value if people value it.
If it does not exist at all, it can have no value.So knoweldge does not exist but it still has value beacuse crazy people like us value the concept of it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:43 am
But what has lead us to value somthing that dosn't exist?
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