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 Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:37 pm
Thanks to all who have spread the word. I have never actually heard of "His Dark Materials" until I got in an email what I put in my first post. Just a few days ago, on Saturday, if I am correct, I saw the book for the first time. It doesn't look the most appealing at a glance, but I can't really remember, as I said, I just got a glance.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:38 pm
Itesa Speaking of athiest books... Krego-sama (I couldn't stand Eragon...the guy just doesn't write that well...He is almost as bad as JK Rowling XP) Y'know, I'd say he is much worse. Rowling's books, while not "high literature" in any sense, at least had a world that was interesting and characters that were compelling. Once I started an "HP" book I generally couldn't put it down again until I was done. "Eragon" could have been much worse than it was-- I will say he was good at making a world and a history you wanted to know more about. He just wasn't any good at making you care. I would say Rowling has a much better story(at first anyways...started jacking it up after the movies started coming out), but her writing is worse in my opinion...she actually hired professional help with that on her last couple of books lol. And Eragon to me not only had pretty bad writing(as in I could write that well[can't promise I could make a decent story though]...not what I look for in a book), but the author also seemed to have many very childish idea's, and did a very good job of putting them forward in a very childish way. Why am I so picky about books? Well I started reading really in the second grade...read almost all the Hardy Boys books, but ended up thinking they were predictable by the end of the year. Since then I have only moved up. If something isn't written at a certain level it really starts to bug the crap out of me.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:18 pm
Krego-sama Itesa Speaking of athiest books... Krego-sama (I couldn't stand Eragon...the guy just doesn't write that well...He is almost as bad as JK Rowling XP) Y'know, I'd say he is much worse. Rowling's books, while not "high literature" in any sense, at least had a world that was interesting and characters that were compelling. Once I started an "HP" book I generally couldn't put it down again until I was done. "Eragon" could have been much worse than it was-- I will say he was good at making a world and a history you wanted to know more about. He just wasn't any good at making you care. I would say Rowling has a much better story(at first anyways...started jacking it up after the movies started coming out), but her writing is worse in my opinion...she actually hired professional help with that on her last couple of books lol. And Eragon to me not only had pretty bad writing(as in I could write that well[can't promise I could make a decent story though]...not what I look for in a book), but the author also seemed to have many very childish idea's, and did a very good job of putting them forward in a very childish way. Why am I so picky about books? Well I started reading really in the second grade...read almost all the Hardy Boys books, but ended up thinking they were predictable by the end of the year. Since then I have only moved up. If something isn't written at a certain level it really starts to bug the crap out of me. Well, I happen to like both *wink* though Rowling did change her style (which was good) and her CHaracters (which was bad) Does anyone else think that prior to the 4th book, Ron was not an idiot? And when she came out with five, movie.. two or three was out, when ron became stupid. grrr... I like Earagon and Eldest because it is somewhat like LOTR and I see nothing wrong with that. I tryed to read the LORTs, but had to stop, I just wasn't absorbing.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:32 am
icechild21 Krego-sama Itesa Speaking of athiest books... Krego-sama (I couldn't stand Eragon...the guy just doesn't write that well...He is almost as bad as JK Rowling XP) Y'know, I'd say he is much worse. Rowling's books, while not "high literature" in any sense, at least had a world that was interesting and characters that were compelling. Once I started an "HP" book I generally couldn't put it down again until I was done. "Eragon" could have been much worse than it was-- I will say he was good at making a world and a history you wanted to know more about. He just wasn't any good at making you care. I would say Rowling has a much better story(at first anyways...started jacking it up after the movies started coming out), but her writing is worse in my opinion...she actually hired professional help with that on her last couple of books lol. And Eragon to me not only had pretty bad writing(as in I could write that well[can't promise I could make a decent story though]...not what I look for in a book), but the author also seemed to have many very childish idea's, and did a very good job of putting them forward in a very childish way. Why am I so picky about books? Well I started reading really in the second grade...read almost all the Hardy Boys books, but ended up thinking they were predictable by the end of the year. Since then I have only moved up. If something isn't written at a certain level it really starts to bug the crap out of me. Well, I happen to like both *wink* though Rowling did change her style (which was good) and her CHaracters (which was bad) Does anyone else think that prior to the 4th book, Ron was not an idiot? And when she came out with five, movie.. two or three was out, when ron became stupid. grrr... I like Earagon and Eldest because it is somewhat like LOTR and I see nothing wrong with that. I tryed to read the LORTs, but had to stop, I just wasn't absorbing. Let me be the first to say (in this thread anyways) that Eragon and Eldest are no even nearly a tiny bit of a molecular amount close to being like LOTR. It is completely different in every way except that it is fantasy and the author is a tolkien wannabe. Rowling didn't change her style...she hired a professional. The professional took her style and made it not crap. It is the professionals style. As for the characters changing...she started to make the characters in her books act like the ones from the movie. Probably not something she did on purpose, but stupid none the less. This is what destroyed the story the most in my opinion. It has caused me to come to the conclusion that movies and other media should not be made til the author has completed the series.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:09 am
Yeah. I saw the preview for the Golden Compass and automatically got this funky feeling and was like, "Well, that's something I'm not going to see." Only until much later did my friend inform for the destroying God thing and whatnot. Go with your gut feelings. :3
But with Harry Potter, I agree that you should wait until the series is over before coming out with the movies. I'm going to be an author someday and kick J.K's butt. Take that!
I hated Eragon. The author stinks as a writer. He didn't use enough description on places and people. Every few paragraphs I'd be reading about some character and be like, "Okay.. Wait... who was that again?" and I'd have to flip back several pages. Ick.
For some reason my friend is under the impression that Harry Potter is evil. I know, because her father told me, that she just wanted to finish reading the book she was on and didn't want to have to move into Harry Potter because it's what her teacher assigned. So she told her teacher she got a horrible feeling and was excused. She only read the first three pages, which from what I remember, simply involve the Dursley's living out their life. That's not even remotely evil. o_O She didn't even give the book a chance just because she wanted to finish another. D: The first four books were great. She's missing out.
Personally, I get a nice Christmas-y feel when I read one of the first four books. I think that's because when I was reading the first one for the first time it was Christmas and I was helping my dad set up the Christmas tree at the same time. Lights all around and Christmas music playing... can't help it if that left an impression on how I felt about the book later on. But yeah... no evil feeling on it. I'm usually in tune with that. Most people are. It's just that some people have it stronger than others.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:18 pm
My brother had to read the golden compass for a class in his school and my parents told him not to.
I cant believe they have kids reading that book in school.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:26 pm
Krego-sama Let me be the first to say (in this thread anyways) that Eragon and Eldest are no even nearly a tiny bit of a molecular amount close to being like LOTR. It is completely different in every way except that it is fantasy and the author is a tolkien wannabe. Rowling didn't change her style...she hired a professional. The professional took her style and made it not crap. It is the professionals style. As for the characters changing...she started to make the characters in her books act like the ones from the movie. Probably not something she did on purpose, but stupid none the less. This is what destroyed the story the most in my opinion. It has caused me to come to the conclusion that movies and other media should not be made til the author has completed the series.
Robin McKinley--now there's an author worth attention.
c:
I read The Fellowship of the Ring but it was kinda boring. There's almost a little too much description.I started The Two Towers but couldn't get myself through it. I always started to fall asleep when I tried to read it.
n_n;
Still, the depth behind Middle Earth is amazing (I mean c'mon--Tolkien made up a whole language for it!). I thought they did great on the movies, though.
Andddd how exactly do you know J.K. Rowling hired a professional...?
-skeptical-
>>;
I personally enjoyed Harry Potter. So much of it was so unique and well...magical. The writing may not be the best in the world but the idea is certainly entertaining.
Cotton Candy I always thought they make you read classics in school...
Guess that's not true for all schools.
-shrug-
Although I agree that it's an odd choice to read for a class and analyze, I don't think it's terribly bad to where it deserves a banning from libraries. To tell you the truth, all this "OMG!1! DON'T READ GOLDEN COMPASS YOU'LL BE AN ATHEIST!!1!" is getting kind of annoying. Sure, the author himself is an atheist (and an idiot) and incorporates his ideas into his books but that's it--his atheistic ideals are just superimposed onto his story. The Golden Compass still has its own story (it's not all about killing God -rolls eyes- ) like Narnia still had its own fantasy plot, just with Christian ideals superimposed. When I first read Narnia (though it was a long time ago) I didn't even realize that Aslan was being compared to Jesus, and the two times I've read the series after that I didn't even realize all the analogies until someone pointed it out to me.
Trust me, there are worse books that have been published. There are controversial books everywhere, even still in schools that kids are reading. Maybe only in high school seeing as those books are more mature, but still.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:41 pm
Lestelle Krego-sama Let me be the first to say (in this thread anyways) that Eragon and Eldest are no even nearly a tiny bit of a molecular amount close to being like LOTR. It is completely different in every way except that it is fantasy and the author is a tolkien wannabe. Rowling didn't change her style...she hired a professional. The professional took her style and made it not crap. It is the professionals style. As for the characters changing...she started to make the characters in her books act like the ones from the movie. Probably not something she did on purpose, but stupid none the less. This is what destroyed the story the most in my opinion. It has caused me to come to the conclusion that movies and other media should not be made til the author has completed the series. Yeah, I felt that Eragon was like a really bad 15-year-old's LotR ('cause Paolini was 15 when he at least first started to write it, even though I'm sure it was thoroughly edited by the time it was published). Just the other day, I finally pulled out my bookmark so I wouldn't read it and so I could get on to some better boks. The only thing that kept me going was the hope that it might get good. I'm wondering if Eldest is any better and worth a look. I don't see where all the hype for Eragon got stirred up but it definitely doesn't deserve it. Robin McKinley--now there's an author worth attention. c: I read The Fellowship of the Ring but it was kinda boring. There's almost a little too much description.I started The Two Towers but couldn't get myself through it. I always started to fall asleep when I tried to read it. n_n; Still, the depth behind Middle Earth is amazing (I mean c'mon--Tolkien made up a whole language for it!). I thought they did great on the movies, though. Andddd how exactly do you know J.K. Rowling hired a professional...? -skeptical- >>; I personally enjoyed Harry Potter. So much of it was so unique and well...magical. The writing may not be the best in the world but the idea is certainly entertaining. Glad to see someone agrees with me about Eragon...most people try to argue about that lol. The problem with LotR is not that there is too much description. The problem is that nothing really happy happens at all until the end of the series. If more happy stuff were to happen I think people would be able to get through the series easier. This is also why I like The Hobbit more than the LotR books. I first made the guess that J.K. Rowling hired a professional when I started reading the (second to last book? not positive, but I think thats the one...been a while lol) and it sounded like she took the sentence structure directly from a professional english writing book. Around that time I had been using these kinds of books a lot due to classes I had for school. So at that point I began checking with other sources, and all agreed that she had hired a professional. Then that last book came out, and the writing style was completely different, and immediately everywhere I looked people knew that she had hired a professional. Anyways...I think it's kinda funny...lol.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:34 pm
People keep telling me that the movie is Anti-Christ and Anti-God. The book and movie are just fiction people! Just because the writer of the book is an atheist doesn't mean that his books are bad! And because the movie producers thought that the movie would offend religious people they took out any reference to God. His books are no worse than some other books. Although I have not read any of his books this book looks like a good read and I am not a sac religious person... (pretty much like 98% of the time, I do sometimes make jokes that seem like it.)
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