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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:12 pm
That's very interesting, I'll use it in the future of debating.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:08 pm
I wish more people would take tips like these to heart.... in and outside of Gaia.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:35 am
Many EDers fails in those rules. Especially the rule number 7 seems to be hard to follow. If they think someone has stupid ideas they'll tell that. I've been around something like 5 years and many good people have left the ED. I don't really be on the ED anymore. I like to debate in guilds, where one rule is: be polite no matter what.
One problem, which I'm facing is the English language, it isn't my mother language and sometimes I find that I've something to add or say in a debate, but my lack of right vocabulary, makes it hard.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:09 am
I'm surprised it was recieved so well. I guess stating what we know really does help everyone else. I should address some of the posts, and will do so now.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:36 pm
Wishbone Returns Again I love one, two, and six. The rest are cool, too, but those three particularly jumped out at me, and I feel as though debate would be more to the point if we didn't have to spend time asking for definitions of axioms or pointing out the subjectivity of badly-applied adjectives. I spent years being frusterated over subtly-biased posts passed off as objective truth (I've noticed that the best trolls are really, really good at this). I could recognize the bias in them, but I couldn't point out where it was or what was loading the language. To a certain degree, it's all in the diction. I also need to work at being concise, among other things I hadn't noticed before. heart Well, aside from being literally a week late ( thus I have problems with dedication when I have to work ) I guess I might as well try to reconcile. I find that you're be correct about objective truthes and about Equivocation which is what I dealt with earlier today "Fat" as Obese and "Fat" as, well, Fat. There shouldn't be any difficulty, but there was. Regardless being concise allows you to enter into a whole new level of Debating because rather than explaining things which are either opinionated or disconnected you can both cut their arguements to form a linear one ( to prevent Tangents from forming, one of the best ways to win a debate is to distract from the point though it is considered cheating ) and allow you to easily work with it as well as prove your points and drop your terms quickly and effeciently. Funny, I don't obey my own logic, but still I am happy you found the list useful and I don't know what much else to say. crying
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:51 am
Quote: 5: Debate isn't about Winning! This is actually a true statement. Debate is not the same as arguing, in which the difference lies in the fact that instead of winning the actual goal in debate is often to come to a settlement on some issue giving rise to both the pros and cons and deciding which is worthwhile. If you debate with this in mind you'll find that not only do you get a little smarter but it is easier to work with conceding. I agree. Another thing you may add is that...say in Congress or Parliament, the purpose of the debate is to convince everyone else, not your opponent. I've always seen it that way. Like in court, you must convince the jury or the judge, not the other lawyer...
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:21 pm
I agree with you AnarchoManiac, after all if the person has a strong opinion in it, your probably never going to be able to convince him/her. And if the person didn't have a strong opinion, then you wouldn't really be debating with them. So its best to prove them wrong in the minds of the undecided others, because the person your debating with has a mind that is already decided.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:44 pm
Salotus I agree with you AnarchoManiac, after all if the person has a strong opinion in it, your probably never going to be able to convince him/her. And if the person didn't have a strong opinion, then you wouldn't really be debating with them. So its best to prove them wrong in the minds of the undecided others, because the person your debating with has a mind that is already decided. Thats pretty much my strategy in any debate. Make the other person look like a doofus. Thats the way I see it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:40 pm
Those are some very good tips! As for me, I usually debate in a sarcastic manner, but it depends on the topic.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:43 am
This really made me stop and think about what I say how it comes out and what I really want to say. haha
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