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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:46 pm
I thought viking metal just used a certain kind of folk in it making it be called viking but not it actually being a subgenre in its own but being a subgenre of folk kind of as doom has so many subgenres. neutral
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:09 pm
Digital Malevolence I thought viking metal just used a certain kind of folk in it making it be called viking but not it actually being a subgenre in its own but being a subgenre of folk kind of as doom has so many subgenres. neutral That would be more logical.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:44 pm
Digital Malevolence I thought viking metal just used a certain kind of folk in it making it be called viking but not it actually being a subgenre in its own but being a subgenre of folk kind of as doom has so many subgenres. neutral The only real problem with making it a sub-genre of folk is that not all viking metal bands fit into folk metal. As well as the fact that viking metal originally came from black metal.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:36 am
Gravechylde Digital Malevolence I thought viking metal just used a certain kind of folk in it making it be called viking but not it actually being a subgenre in its own but being a subgenre of folk kind of as doom has so many subgenres. neutral The only real problem with making it a sub-genre of folk is that not all viking metal bands fit into folk metal. As well as the fact that viking metal originally came from black metal. If viking metal were to exist, there's only one band that can be categorized under this: Bathory. Now I have a tip for you, stick to arguments you can win. wink
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:23 pm
The Shield Maiden Gravechylde The only real problem with making it a sub-genre of folk is that not all viking metal bands fit into folk metal. As well as the fact that viking metal originally came from black metal. If viking metal were to exist, there's only one band that can be categorized under this: Bathory. Now I have a tip for you, stick to arguments you can win. wink How do you figure you won? You completely ignored my last post. And never actually refuted anything I said (ignoring =/= refuting). As well as contradicting yourself (How can it be a sub-genre of folk if it's nothing more than lyrics?). Wow you sure showed me what's what. rolleyes
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:07 pm
Gravechylde The Shield Maiden Gravechylde The only real problem with making it a sub-genre of folk is that not all viking metal bands fit into folk metal. As well as the fact that viking metal originally came from black metal. If viking metal were to exist, there's only one band that can be categorized under this: Bathory. Now I have a tip for you, stick to arguments you can win. wink How do you figure you won? You completely ignored my last post. And never actually refuted anything I said (ignoring =/= refuting). As well as contradicting yourself (How can it be a sub-genre of folk if it's nothing more than lyrics?). Wow you sure showed me what's what. rolleyes I didn't see your last post because I thought I made the last post on that page? Simple mistake, anyone could've made it -- yet you take it for ignorance. I read the entire article, and if Tyr is actually not harsher than Arkona then you actually just contradicted yourself. If they sound mostly the same then they're both of the same genre, are they not? I never said that I won, although pretty soon I'm going to stop bothering with this silly discussion. I didn't contradict myself, I just said in resonse to Digital Malevolence that his explaination seemed more logical. That's not contradicting myself. Also how can NSBM be a sub-genre of black metal if it's nothing more than lyrics? wink Also, stop picking a fight with me in every thread you see me post in, sort it out via pms; please. Edit: Also, sorry if this doesn't seem to be a valid argument, I'm tired... it's 2:00 am. domokun
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:40 am
The Shield Maiden I didn't see your last post because I thought I made the last post on that page? Simple mistake, anyone could've made it -- yet you take it for ignorance. I read the entire article, and if Tyr is actually not harsher than Arkona then you actually just contradicted yourself. If they sound mostly the same then they're both of the same genre, are they not? Tyr are not harsher than Arkona, but Tyr are part of the Viking movement, and Arkona isn't. I said this because you said all viking metal is just a harsher form of folk and I pointed out that there are some non-viking folk bands that are harsher than some viking bands. Plus there are viking bands that are more black metal. The Shield Maiden I never said that I won, although pretty soon I'm going to stop bothering with this silly discussion. I didn't contradict myself, I just said in resonse to Digital Malevolence that his explaination seemed more logical. That's not contradicting myself. Also how can NSBM be a sub-genre of black metal if it's nothing more than lyrics? wink When you said "Stick to arguments you can win" that implies that you have already won and there's nothing I can do. Plus how would I be losing when you're the one who has changed their opinion? In the beginning your argument was that viking metal isn't real because the only thing they have in common is lyrics, but now you are saying that it's a different kind of folk metal (which if you go back and read my first post in this thread, inside the quotes) is something that I have already said. Meaning that you now agree with my original argument (unless I misread something you said). I know that Viking Metal is fading into nothing more than a sub-genre of Folk and Black Metal, and that the only reason it is even still considered a genre is because it has history behind it. The whole point of my argument is that Viking Metal is more than just lyrics, and I feel that what I have posted throughout this thread explain that pretty well (Tell me if you don't think so). And I've never said that NSBM is a genre, it is similar to viking as in there's a commonality between the bands in those segments, but the difference is that Viking is a commonality in sound, but NSBM is a lyrical commonality (lyrics usually are a commonality in viking, but are not necessary).
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:33 pm
Gravechylde Digital Malevolence I thought viking metal just used a certain kind of folk in it making it be called viking but not it actually being a subgenre in its own but being a subgenre of folk kind of as doom has so many subgenres. neutral The only real problem with making it a sub-genre of folk is that not all viking metal bands fit into folk metal. As well as the fact that viking metal originally came from black metal. I'd have to disagree, 100%. Viking Metal has roots in Black Metal, Acid Rock and Heavy Metal Black Metal, its just obvious isn't it? Acid Rock(Abysmal Crossing, not Jimi Hendrix) Rifts Heavy Metal, above all the story, Heavy Metal is defined by the story it tells, not the rythm, not the chorus, not the lyrics themselves but the story behind it all. Stories of Odin, Thor, Tyr, Njord, Hel, and any other of the Eddic Gods would be construde as a missive of Odinism therefore instantly Viking Metal? No. The Story to the Metal also should not have any falsaties, or basically an original idea. For the Stories of Viking Metal have been already writin for somewhere along four thousand years now...
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:21 pm
I'm not really sure what your getting at.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:23 pm
This thread is a question thats been asked, and has gone without a solid answer, will go without a solid answer for a very long time. And by the time that day comes, I'll be dead.... Hopefully.
But the real point is... Why waste your time on something that no two groups of people will ever agree on?
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:21 pm
So you think that there will never be a truce between the two, huh? That's an interesting point.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:52 pm
Well to adhere to viking Metal
You have to follow the stories writtin by the Edda's...
To adhere to folk metal, you'd have to follow the Norse Mythos.
Similar, but Norse Mythos mentions nothing of Vikings, Gods or Valhalla,
to retain the message of the warriors call still... Or Berserkerism.
O.o its a question without an answer.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:18 pm
Pirate Cadaver Well to adhere to viking Metal You have to follow the stories writtin by the Edda's... To adhere to folk metal, you'd have to follow the Norse Mythos. Similar, but Norse Mythos mentions nothing of Vikings, Gods or Valhalla, to retain the message of the warriors call still... Or Berserkerism. O.o its a question without an answer. Lyrics do not determine genres. The thing that separates Viking Metal is it's use of Scandinavian Folk music into the riffing.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:03 pm
Gravechylde Pirate Cadaver Well to adhere to viking Metal You have to follow the stories writtin by the Edda's... To adhere to folk metal, you'd have to follow the Norse Mythos. Similar, but Norse Mythos mentions nothing of Vikings, Gods or Valhalla, to retain the message of the warriors call still... Or Berserkerism. O.o its a question without an answer. Lyrics do not determine genres. The thing that separates Viking Metal is it's use of Scandinavian Folk music into the riffing. It was just an opinon. Scandinavian? No, It would be Norse. Vikings = Norse The word viking is a term used for a Warrior in Exile. Where as the Scandinavians or the Kvatz. Weren't Norse but a branch of Austro/Ukraine. Not a word to throw around lightly might I add. But that is off topic and I stop now.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:35 pm
Pirate Cadaver Gravechylde Pirate Cadaver Well to adhere to viking Metal You have to follow the stories writtin by the Edda's... To adhere to folk metal, you'd have to follow the Norse Mythos. Similar, but Norse Mythos mentions nothing of Vikings, Gods or Valhalla, to retain the message of the warriors call still... Or Berserkerism. O.o its a question without an answer. Lyrics do not determine genres. The thing that separates Viking Metal is it's use of Scandinavian Folk music into the riffing. It was just an opinon. Scandinavian? No, It would be Norse. Vikings = Norse The word viking is a term used for a Warrior in Exile. Where as the Scandinavians or the Kvatz. Weren't Norse but a branch of Austro/Ukraine. Not a word to throw around lightly might I add. But that is off topic and I stop now. It is called viking metal because most/all of the bands sing about vikings. And Scandinavian as in folk music that originated from that area.
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