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-The four great questions
- Who am I? Evolution: worth nothing. Creation: made in God?s image [his creation].
- Why am I here? Evolution: by random chance. No purpose to life. Creation: God created me for a purpose.
- Where did I come from? Evolution: nothing. Creation: God.
- Where am I going when I die? Evolution: the grave. Creation: Heaven or Hell.


-World views
-Humanist world view: Man is God and answers to no one. ?Amazing! A Big bang made this world from nothing!?
-Creationist world view: God is God and judges all men.?Incredible design! There must be a smart designer.?


-Evolution is a religion!
-Evolution is a religion, not a fact.
-It is not science either. Just because it appears in a science textbook, that doesn?t make it science!
-Science n.
Systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, etc.
?Webster?s Dictionary
-Religion. Def #4, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=religion
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
-You need to have faith in all evolution other than micro evolution?Therefore, evolution is a religion.
-According to Evolution, we keep on getting stronger and smarter as time passes.
-News media and textbooks always try to make it look like it is science vs. religion. They imply that evolution is a part of science.
-Evolution, which is a religion, is tax supported!


-Evolution is from Satan!
-Evolution started with Satan.
-Satan wanted to be stronger and smarter [become like God], and that is what evolution teaches [we can become stronger and smarter].
-Isaiah 14:12-14 ?How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.?
-Evolution is a lie.
-?If you tell a lie long enough,
loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it.??Adolph Hitler
-Science textbooks mix true science with Evolution to make it believable for kids. Just like in rat poison, 0.005% is poison, and 99.995% is good food. You have to mix the poison into good food to get the rat to eat it. Evolution is the poison in text books. All the other science is good.


-Types of Evolution:
-Cosmic Evolution ? The origin of time, space and matter. [Big bang]
-Chemical Evolution- The origin of higher elements from hydrogen.
-Stellar and planetary evolution- Origin of stars and planets. No one has ever seen a star form.
-ASTRONOMERS HAVE OBSERVED THAT ABOUT EVERY 30 YEARS STAR ?DIES? AND EXPLODES INTO A SUPER NOVA.*
IF THE UNIVERSE IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD, HOW COME THERE ARE LESS THAN 300 SUPER NOVA (DEAD STARS)? THERE SHOULD BE SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION OF THEM. ARE THE STARS WRONG, OR THE EVOLUTION THEORY?
*ICR September, 1998
-Organic evolution ? Orgin of life
-Macro evolution ? Changing from one kind to another.
-Micro evoltuion ? Variations within kinds.
-Micro evolution is the only one that has been observed.
-You must ?believe? in all the other ones.


-The Big Bang
-First law of Thermodynamics: ?Matter [and/or energy] cannot be created or destroyed.?

So, there are two choices:
1. Somebody made the world. [God is not limited by the scientific laws, he created them!]
2. The world made itself.

-?The big bang idea began with a Belgian astronomer, Georges Edward Lemaitre. According to Isaac Asimov, Lemaitre conceived this mass to be ?no more than a few light-years in diameter.? At the very least, that would be two light-years or about twelve trillion miles.

By 1965 that figure was reduced to 275 million miles, by 1972 to 71 million miles, by 1974 to 54 thousand miles, by 1983 to ?a trillionth the diameter of a proton,? and now, to nothing at all! A singularity!? Bolton Davidheiser

-?In the realm of the universe, nothing really means nothing. Not only matter and energy would disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from this state of nothingness the universe began in a gigantic explosion about 16.5 billion years ago. This theory of the origin of the universe is called the Big Bang theory.? ?HBJ General Science, 1989, p.362

-?the observable universe could have evolved from an infinitesimal region*. It?s then tempting to go one step further and speculate that the entire universe evolved from literally nothing.? *Dot. ?Alan Guth & P. Steinhardt Scientific American, May 1984 p.28

-?As the nebula shrank, it spun faster and faster. Gradually the spinning nebula flattened into a huge disk almost 10 billion kilometers across. At the center of a disk a growing protosun, or new sun, began to take shape?? ?Prentice Hall General Science 1992 p.69

-The Big Bang theory does not follow the conservation of angular momentum.
-Venus, Uranus, and Pluto rotate backwards from other planets.
-?6 of the 63 moons in our Solar System rotate backwards. Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune have moons orbiting in both directions.? ?Astronomical Almanac for the year 1989 p.E88
-If the big bang theory were true, the matter in the universe would be evenly distributed. Instead, it is ?lumpy?. There are clusters of stars, then great ?voids?.


-Did you know?
-Meaning of universe = Uni: ?single?. Verse: ?spoken sentence.?
-Geneseis 1:3 ?And God said, ?Let there be?.??


-There is still a Big Bang!
-?But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,* and the elements shall melt with a fervent heat, the earth... shall be burned up.? *Big bang - 2 Peter 3:10


-The Second Law of Thermodynamics
-The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Everything tends toward disorder.
-Evolutionists assume that adding energy [open system] will overcome the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
-But..
1. The universe is a closed system.
2. Adding energy is destructive without a complex mechanism to harness the energy.
-Only chlorophyll can harness the Sun?s energy. Everything else will be destroyed eventually.
-Nothing improves without work.


-Organic evolution
-Textbook quotes:
-?About 30 million years ago, larger primates, such as monkeys and apes, evolved. The earliest fossil apes that may be ancestral to both humans and modern apes date from about 15-20 million years ago.? ?HBJ General Science 1989 p.385
-?You are an animal and share a common heritage with earthworms.? ?Biology: Visualizing Life, Holt, 1994
-Kids are being taught that they are animals?.why do you think they act like them?
-?The history of life on Earth is buried under your feet. You might find clues left behind in a back yard by someone who lived in the house years ago. If you know where to look, you might even find clues lieft behind millions of years ago by dinosaurs.? ?Harcourt 4th Grade Science, 2000 p. c 58
-Fossils do not have dates on them, so you can?t tell their age by just looking at it.
-?in these oceans?the first living organisms appeared.? ? Glenco Biology 1995 p.398
-??.but swirling in the waters of the oceans is a bubbling broth of complex chemicals. Some of them are carbohydrates, proteins, and nucleic acids- the chemicals of life. However, the progress from a complex chemical soup to a living organism is very slow.? ?Holt Earth Science 1994 p.282
-?The first self replicating systems must have emerged in this organic soup.? ?Biology The Unity and diversity of Life 1992 p.301
-How do you know this? Were you there?


-Why we should care about the age of the Earth
1. The credibility of the book of Genesis is at stake.
2. The credibility of Jesus is at stake. [Jesus cited Genesis 25 times. ? see Defender?s Bible p.1556]
3. Nearly every other book in the Bible refers to Genesis. [200x in New Testament alone ?see Defender?s Bible p. 1545-1556]
4. The Evolutionists care. Their entire theory looks silly without ?billions of years? to hide it in.
-?For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?? ?John 5:46-47

-Facts proving the age of the Earth is about 6,000 yrs BC[add up the dates in the Bible] and that the flood was at 4,400 yrs BC
-Red Giant Stars?
-Textbooks say Red Giant Stars evolve into White Dwarf stars over billions of years. ?Prentice Hall Earth Science 1995
-Textbooks teach it takes billions of years for a star to ?evolve? from a red giant to a white dwarf. ?Physical Science a United Approach 1996 p.646

-Egyptian hieroglyphs from 2000 B.C. described Sirius as red.
-Cicero, in 50 B.C., stated Sirius was red.
-Seneca described Sirius as being redder than Mars.
-Ptolemy listed Sirius as one of the six red stars in 150 A.D.
-Today it is a white star-binary.

-Do the math ? it didn?t take ?billions of years?.

-Jupiter, Saturn and the moon
-Jupiter?s moon Ganymede has a strong magnetic field. ?Magnetic fields are generated by the liquid motion of molten metal inside a body. Yet Ganymede should have cooled solid billions of years ago.? ?Denver Post Dec. 13, 1996
Saturn?s rings are unstable and cannot be billions of years old.
-Inverse Square Law: The force of attraction between two objects is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
If the distance is 1/3 the force of attraction between two objects is 9 times greater. This fact alone puts the age of the Earth/moon system at less than 1.2 billion year max. ?In the Beginning. Walt Brown p.177

-The Oort Cloud?
-Short period comets have a life expectancy of less than 10,000 years.
-?In 1950, based on a study of the orbits of several long-period comets, the Dutch astronomer Jan Oort proposed(hoped, wished, prayed)
that a great spherical shell of (comets) existed at the remote frontiers of our solar system.? Matson
-?Better statistics in more recent years have supported the existence of the Oort Cloud and put it at a distance of 50,000 AU (AU=astronomical units).? From Matson?s web site.
-It is 93,000,000 miles to the Sun. 1AU = 8 light minutes.
-Pluto is 39 AU from the Sun and cannot be seen without a powerful telescope. Seeing a comet at 50,000 AU is impossible!
-No one has ever seen the Oort cloud. It is hard to see a comet 1 AU from Earth.

-Magnetic fields and carbon dating
-Magnets lose their strength with time.
-Earth?s magnetic field is getting weaker.
1. It cannot be billions of years old.
2. Carbon dating cannot work for more than a few thousand years.
-The lower leg of the Fairbanks Creek mammoth had a radiocarbon age of 15.380 RCY [radio carbon years] while its skin and flesh were 21,300 RCY. Harold E. Anthony, ?Natures Deep Freeze? Natural History, Sept. 1949 p.300
-One part of the Vollosovitch mammoth carbon dated at 29,500 years and another part at 44,000. Troy L. Pewe, Quatemary Stratigraphic Nomenclature in Unglaciated Central Alaska, Geological Survey Professional Paper 862 [U.S. Gov. printing office, 1975] p.30

-Textbooks will say there are ?magnetic reversals? in the rock.
-There are no magnetic reversals on the ocean floor. There are only areas of weaker magnetism. In the Beginning, Walt Brown p.79

-Pangaea?
-Africa has been shruk 35-40% to make the continents fit in Pangea.
-Also, Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, and Nicaragua are missing.

-Ages of things
-The Sahara Desert has a prevailing wind pattern that causes the desert to grow. This is called desertification. It is the largest desert in the world.
-It is about 4000 years old. [See: Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. July 15, 1999 Geophysical Research Letters.]
-The oldest tree today that is still living is a 4300 year old bristlecone pine. There are no older trees. Why not?
-The Great Barrier reef has been calculated to be about 4000 years old. There is no other reef. Why?

-The Grand Canyon was from Noah?s flood!
-The Grand Canyon was not created by the Colorado River?it was from Noah?s flood!
1. The top is higher than the bottom.
2. The river runs through the bottom.
3. The top is higher than where the river enters the canyon.
4. Rivers don?t flow uphill.
5. There is no delta
5. That river did not make that canyon.

-Oil pressure, ice rings, and erosion.
-Oil wells today can have up to 20,000 psi today! The rock can only hold that pressure for 10,000 years or less.[See: Creation Ex Nihilo Vol. 12 No.2, p.30 for How fast can oil form?] The pressure should have leaked out!
-In 1996 a $22.4 million proposal was approved in Western Australia that will build a plant to create oil from sewage sludge in 30 minutes. [See Creation/Evolution: Does it Matter what we Believe? By Mike Riddle, ICR, p. 28]

-Layers of ice in Greenland have ?rings? of white ice and clear ice.
-Evolutionists say this is proof because the ice melts during the summer and freezes again in the winter, creating the clear ice, and snow is packed down in the winter, creating the white ice.
-The Lost Squadron planes in 1942 in Greenland.The planes were 263 ft below the surface in 1990. That means they were covered by 263 ft of ice in 48 years! That is about 5.5 ft/year.
-The layers are actually from warm and cold spells!

-?For example, the Mississippi River deposits sediments at a rete of 80,000 tons and hour?? ?Prentic Hall General Science, 1992 p.145
-It looks like it?d take 30,000 years to accumulate the mud in the delta. However, this mud probably came from Noah?s flood.

-At the current rate of erosion the continents would erode flat in 14 million years. How can we have rocks 300 times older than [according to carbon dating] that still above sea level? [See: In the Beginning. Walt Brown p.26


Extra
Amusement parks?
-A ?thiest? is a person who believes in God. An ?athiest? is a person who does not believe in God. To ?muse? means to think. To ?amuse? means not to think!

-Shifting the burden of proof: an Evolutionist?s tactic.
-Matson said, ?Sorry fellas, but if you want to use this comet argument it is up to you to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Oort Cloud and other sources don?t exist! ?
-Suppose I said, ?Watermelons are blue inside until you cut the skin. Prove I?m wrong!? This is called shifting the burden of proof.


-If?.
-If Creation is true:
1. There is a creator.
2. There are rules ? right and wrong.
3. There is a purpose to life.
4. Man is a fallen creature in need of a savior.
5. Man brought death into the world.
6. There is an after-life
7. There is confort in knowing the future.
-If Evolution is true:
1. There is no creator.
2. There are no rules ? no commandments, no law.
3. There is no purpose to life.
4. Man is evolving with no need of a Savior.
5. Death brought man into the world.
6. There is no after-life
7. There is no hope of knowing the future.

I agree. Not only are they not neccesarily true (one can believe in both Evolution and God), citing bleak prospects is no way to prove a point.

Not that I read the whole thing. sweatdrop

My belief is in a God. He, I believe, made the Big Bang, and caused evolution to happen. Evolution is not just a theory--it's the truth. The flu virus, different breeds of bugs, and even modern humans have evolved comparitively recently.

It's all about survival of the fittest. The brown moths will thrive when they are better designed to hide from predators than white moths. Taller, stronger humans will be more likely to survive and pass on their genes--that is why humans are much taller today than they were in, say, the Middle Ages.

That doesn't mean that God didn't make the enormous leaps of change happen way back when. Of course, one can't prove that God did do that, either.

I personally believe in God, but there is still a way for there to have been life without His existence.

Think about it: matter and energy in this universe cannot be created or destroyed, right? So, who's to say that all matter and all energy hasn't always been around?

Which sounds crazier?
-An intelligent being, who has always existed, created the Universe.
-The stuff of the Universe has always existed.

They both sound equally plausible to me, though of course you may disagree. The fact is, we can't prove either of these things.

Evolution, though, is a fact. Otherwise, we would have found modern human skeletons buried alongside dinosaurs.

That's my theory.

do you believe we came about by evolution?

EDIT: if other please specify which form of evolution.