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 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:15 pm
Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M No he isn't, he's a fallen angel. Yes, I know there is the religion of Satanism but I consider that to be a cult that worships demons. There is the Horned God, but that is a Pagan deity, not the devil. I think I'd know because I've been reading up on this stuff for the past six years. The Devil is no god, he fell from heaven and he is a demon/fallen angel who tempts man to damnation and to get man to go against god. No offence, but your thinking of Luicifer, who is commonly idendified as the devil but I fail to see the logic, or even prove, that this is the case. According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:16 am
Dark Lord M Thanks. I hope someone caught my joke about the "Oh, home" thing. ("Oh, hell") I changed the meaning of life, too. Lord Of The Abyss...
I got it, and it made me laugh. =)
...Lord Of The Abyss
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:18 am
Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M No he isn't, he's a fallen angel. Yes, I know there is the religion of Satanism but I consider that to be a cult that worships demons. There is the Horned God, but that is a Pagan deity, not the devil. I think I'd know because I've been reading up on this stuff for the past six years. The Devil is no god, he fell from heaven and he is a demon/fallen angel who tempts man to damnation and to get man to go against god. No offence, but your thinking of Luicifer, who is commonly idendified as the devil but I fail to see the logic, or even prove, that this is the case. According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one?
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:28 am
Dark Lord M Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M No he isn't, he's a fallen angel. Yes, I know there is the religion of Satanism but I consider that to be a cult that worships demons. There is the Horned God, but that is a Pagan deity, not the devil. I think I'd know because I've been reading up on this stuff for the past six years. The Devil is no god, he fell from heaven and he is a demon/fallen angel who tempts man to damnation and to get man to go against god. No offence, but your thinking of Luicifer, who is commonly idendified as the devil but I fail to see the logic, or even prove, that this is the case. According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one? Yeah, it's from around there. Taoism holds that good and evil are equal and opposite powers.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:12 am
Dark Lord M Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M No he isn't, he's a fallen angel. Yes, I know there is the religion of Satanism but I consider that to be a cult that worships demons. There is the Horned God, but that is a Pagan deity, not the devil. I think I'd know because I've been reading up on this stuff for the past six years. The Devil is no god, he fell from heaven and he is a demon/fallen angel who tempts man to damnation and to get man to go against god. No offence, but your thinking of Luicifer, who is commonly idendified as the devil but I fail to see the logic, or even prove, that this is the case. According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one? Taoist? WTF? There is no mention of the bible of either Luicfier or Beelzubub. Not the one I've read. There is a Satan, but no mention of him as an angel.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:55 pm
Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M No he isn't, he's a fallen angel. Yes, I know there is the religion of Satanism but I consider that to be a cult that worships demons. There is the Horned God, but that is a Pagan deity, not the devil. I think I'd know because I've been reading up on this stuff for the past six years. The Devil is no god, he fell from heaven and he is a demon/fallen angel who tempts man to damnation and to get man to go against god. No offence, but your thinking of Luicifer, who is commonly idendified as the devil but I fail to see the logic, or even prove, that this is the case. According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one? Taoist? WTF? There is no mention of the bible of either Luicfier or Beelzubub. Not the one I've read. There is a Satan, but no mention of him as an angel. I suggest you go read it instead of making broad claims.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:05 pm
Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M No he isn't, he's a fallen angel. Yes, I know there is the religion of Satanism but I consider that to be a cult that worships demons. There is the Horned God, but that is a Pagan deity, not the devil. I think I'd know because I've been reading up on this stuff for the past six years. The Devil is no god, he fell from heaven and he is a demon/fallen angel who tempts man to damnation and to get man to go against god. No offence, but your thinking of Luicifer, who is commonly idendified as the devil but I fail to see the logic, or even prove, that this is the case. According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one? Taoist? WTF? There is no mention of the bible of either Luicfier or Beelzubub. Not the one I've read. There is a Satan, but no mention of him as an angel. I suggest you go read it instead of making broad claims. I see how it is, you dislike me so your going to fight my claims every step of the way huh? Satan being an angel was added in Christian Lore, but wasn't part of the bible.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:42 pm
Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M Britomartis-the-Valiant According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one? Taoist? WTF? There is no mention of the bible of either Luicfier or Beelzubub. Not the one I've read. There is a Satan, but no mention of him as an angel. I suggest you go read it instead of making broad claims. I see how it is, you dislike me so your going to fight my claims every step of the way huh? Satan being an angel was added in Christian Lore, but wasn't part of the bible. I don't particularly dislike anyone. You can't convince me without proof, so go find some proof. If you hang on, I'll go through my Bible, but I have just a couple minutes here, so. . .
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:50 pm
Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Dark Lord M Britomartis-the-Valiant According to the Bible, Satan is Lucifer is the Devil is Beelzebub is. . . I think Dark Lord M is writing from a more Christianized view and not a Taoist one. Isn't the Taoist religion a Chinese/Oriental one? Taoist? WTF? There is no mention of the bible of either Luicfier or Beelzubub. Not the one I've read. There is a Satan, but no mention of him as an angel. I suggest you go read it instead of making broad claims. I see how it is, you dislike me so your going to fight my claims every step of the way huh? Satan being an angel was added in Christian Lore, but wasn't part of the bible. I don't particularly dislike anyone. You can't convince me without proof, so go find some proof. If you hang on, I'll go through my Bible, but I have just a couple minutes here, so. . . My proof: 1. In Revelations they mention a fallen angel of the bottemless pit, but later refer to Satan as a dragon. 2. In the Old Testament they mention the fall of human rulers which the mainstrem sociaty refer to as Satan's fall.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:54 pm
Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Taoist? WTF? There is no mention of the bible of either Luicfier or Beelzubub. Not the one I've read. There is a Satan, but no mention of him as an angel. I suggest you go read it instead of making broad claims. I see how it is, you dislike me so your going to fight my claims every step of the way huh? Satan being an angel was added in Christian Lore, but wasn't part of the bible. I don't particularly dislike anyone. You can't convince me without proof, so go find some proof. If you hang on, I'll go through my Bible, but I have just a couple minutes here, so. . . My proof: 1. In Revelations they mention a fallen angel of the bottemless pit, but later refer to Satan as a dragon. 2. In the Old Testament they mention the fall of human rulers which the mainstrem sociaty refer to as Satan's fall. Okay, I found the passage: Revelations 12: 7-9(NIV) And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to earth, and his angels with him. Job 1:6(NIV) One day the angels (also sons of God) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came with them. Revelations 9:11 (NIV) They had as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:59 pm
Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant I suggest you go read it instead of making broad claims. I see how it is, you dislike me so your going to fight my claims every step of the way huh? Satan being an angel was added in Christian Lore, but wasn't part of the bible. I don't particularly dislike anyone. You can't convince me without proof, so go find some proof. If you hang on, I'll go through my Bible, but I have just a couple minutes here, so. . . My proof: 1. In Revelations they mention a fallen angel of the bottemless pit, but later refer to Satan as a dragon. 2. In the Old Testament they mention the fall of human rulers which the mainstrem sociaty refer to as Satan's fall. Okay, I found the passage: Revelations 12: 7-9(NIV) And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to earth, and his angels with him. Job 1:6(NIV) One day the angels (also sons of God) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came with them. Revelations 9:11 (NIV) They had as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. OK. 1. Dragon not equal angel. 2. Satan's role wasn't as clear in the Old Testamant, and he may have been an angel sent to test Job in that book. 3. Apollyon not equal Satan. I said that in my last post. If I am wrong then Revelations contradicts itself, which I doubt. Note: Satan means "adversary" in Hebrew
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:26 pm
Dragon is one of the name's for Satan, so is Lucifer and Beelzebub. In the book of Job Satan was an angel sent to screw up Job's life as a test. Satan was an angel there, not a demon.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:27 pm
Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 I see how it is, you dislike me so your going to fight my claims every step of the way huh? Satan being an angel was added in Christian Lore, but wasn't part of the bible. I don't particularly dislike anyone. You can't convince me without proof, so go find some proof. If you hang on, I'll go through my Bible, but I have just a couple minutes here, so. . . My proof: 1. In Revelations they mention a fallen angel of the bottemless pit, but later refer to Satan as a dragon. 2. In the Old Testament they mention the fall of human rulers which the mainstrem sociaty refer to as Satan's fall. Okay, I found the passage: Revelations 12: 7-9(NIV) And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to earth, and his angels with him. Job 1:6(NIV) One day the angels (also sons of God) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came with them. Revelations 9:11 (NIV) They had as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. OK. 1. Dragon not equal angel. 2. Satan's role wasn't as clear in the Old Testamant, and he may have been an angel sent to test Job in that book. 3. Apollyon not equal Satan. I said that in my last post. If I am wrong then Revelations contradicts itself, which I doubt. Note: Satan means "adversary" in Hebrew Because God created everything, Lucifer must be one of his creations. Satan, the Accuser, the Tempter, and likely Apollyon as well are all titles, referring to him. Well here is a line of logic: 1. God created everything 2. The devil must be one of his creations 3. The devil is obviously not a physical being 4. The devil has to be a spiritual being 5. The devil used to be unfallen 6. The devil was therefore one of God's subjects 7. God's subjects include angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim, thrones, powers, etc. 8. Therefore the devil must fall under one of these categories. 9. The general word for those different spiritual beings is angel meaning messenger of God 10. Therefore the devil was an angel and must now be a fallen angel. Comprendes?
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:39 pm
Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant Wei Stan14 Britomartis-the-Valiant I don't particularly dislike anyone. You can't convince me without proof, so go find some proof. If you hang on, I'll go through my Bible, but I have just a couple minutes here, so. . . My proof: 1. In Revelations they mention a fallen angel of the bottemless pit, but later refer to Satan as a dragon. 2. In the Old Testament they mention the fall of human rulers which the mainstrem sociaty refer to as Satan's fall. Okay, I found the passage: Revelations 12: 7-9(NIV) And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to earth, and his angels with him. Job 1:6(NIV) One day the angels (also sons of God) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came with them. Revelations 9:11 (NIV) They had as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. OK. 1. Dragon not equal angel. 2. Satan's role wasn't as clear in the Old Testamant, and he may have been an angel sent to test Job in that book. 3. Apollyon not equal Satan. I said that in my last post. If I am wrong then Revelations contradicts itself, which I doubt. Note: Satan means "adversary" in Hebrew Because God created everything, Lucifer must be one of his creations. Satan, the Accuser, the Tempter, and likely Apollyon as well are all titles, referring to him. Well here is a line of logic: 1. God created everything 2. The devil must be one of his creations 3. The devil is obviously not a physical being 4. The devil has to be a spiritual being 5. The devil used to be unfallen 6. The devil was therefore one of God's subjects 7. God's subjects include angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim, thrones, powers, etc. 8. Therefore the devil must fall under one of these categories. 9. The general word for those different spiritual beings is angel meaning messenger of God 10. Therefore the devil was an angel and must now be a fallen angel. Comprendes? I see your point. Both of yours But religon aside, logically I beleive it would make more sence for Satan to have equal yet oppisite power to God in order to keep things in balance. Oh well.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:46 pm
I wouldn't say he has equal powers, since God created anything and therefore all-powerful so he could take down Satan any day. He lets him hang around to keep a balance between good and evil, test man, and because Satan was once one of his best angels. (Last one is an opinion.)
I believe Satan was an archangel and kind of acted like a lawyer or prosecutor in heaven.
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