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 Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:25 am
Yeah, Iroh and Ursa would make a good team. In fact, I think me and my friend have established the Ursa/Iroh pairing^^ Ursa just deserves so much better than Ozai, and Iroh deserves some lovin' too! I think they'd make a cute older couple^^
And I had this cracky thought the other day when I was happily mulling this entire theory over. Iroh's working hard so he can break out, and then go find Ursa and the White Lotus so SHE can knock some sense into her stubborn son! Cause you know he'd listen to her!
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:26 pm
Hehe, Ursa/Iroh would be awesome. And you're right, she deserves so much better than Ozai.
Yes! If anyone can knock some sense into that boy, it'll be his mother.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:26 pm
Woot! Go Irsa! (or Uroh...)
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And you know, I think I found evidence that Iroh may have been back from Ba Sing Se by the time Azulon was murdered, thus that he could have helped Ursa escape...
I found the timeline of Avatar on AvatarSpirit.net (I'll go fish up the link later) and it showed that Lu Ten's death and the end of the siege ended a year before Azulon's death! Therefore, around the time of Azulon's death and Ursa's disappearence, IRoh should have been back in the royal city...right?
This is of course assuming that the timeline was correct, I think it was fan-made, but yeah! Iroh knows something, I swear it!
ninja domokun
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:41 pm
=o Really? Sweet.
Yay for proof! This theory is getting more and more plausible. =d It makes me a very excited fangirl.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:40 pm
Teh_Sheba Ok, I think I have a theory on my hands.
I thought this up while at work last weekend after watching "Sokka's Master", though at the time it was mainly wishful thinking, and stemmed from some fantasy of mine that Ursa ran away and joined some secret rebellion group...but you know, the more I think about it, the more I think it could really happen.
Ok, here goes.
What if:
Ursa is in with the White Lotus society? What if they are hiding her out? And what if the Gaang meet her when they eventually find more out about the WL? And, furthermore, what happens when Zuko's there as well??
I also saw one of my friends, greenifyme on DeviantArt expressing this same theory, but going a step further, like so: The following is her part of the theory.
Perhaps, Ursa killed Azulon, then had to run, and is now under the White Lotus's protection.
This theory is starting to make a lot of sense.
I'm sure that the White Lotus society wasn't brought up by the Master at this point in the story for no good reason. The White Lotus could be one of those elusive, seemingly unimportant plot devices that come in later with a great deal of importance. Up until Sokka's recieving the tile, it was basically just a hobby or an old interest of Iroh, but now...I am sure that it's going to play an important role in the upcoming episodes, and this could be it.
"You can always find a friend..." Seems to me like this group is quite enthusiastic about helping their own. We saw it with Iroh and Zuko when they helped them get out of the desert, with fake identities as refugees...And now Sokka has a friend, one who doesn't seem to care that he's of the water tribe, nor that he's travelling with none other than the Avatar. Even though he could probably get a lofty reward were he to provide information to the authorities. Perhaps they are looking out for a Fire Lady gone assassin as well?
As for her actually killing Azulon, Greenifyme provided this little bit of the show to consider. (I'm currently going on what she wrote, I need to see that part of the episode again, myself...)
When Azulon was talking to Ozai, saying that he(Ozai) needed to learn the suffering of losing a son, while Azula is watching from behind the curtain, there is a flash of light from a fire. Could this be Ursa offing the old man for suggesting the murder of her son? Can Ursa fire-bend?
It would fit in with her telling him, "everything I did was to protect you," perhaps she meant killing Azulon, though I'm not sure how that would assuredly save Zuko...
And you know, it begs the question, does Iroh know where Ursa is? If she's involved with the White Lotus, does Iroh know about it and where to find her? Maybe he was the one who got her in? And will Iroh tell Zuko?
So, now I'm thinking that the episode "The Runaway" Could either be Zuko's finally running off to find Ursa, as was my original theory, or it could be what happened to Ursa herself, possibly with Zuko leaving at some point for the same reasons.
I'm thinking that maybe he finds some sort of clue that she's still alive, and he becomes determined to find her. I actually had this little vision in my mind of him perhaps finding a Pai Sho White Lotus tile, maybe buried or somehow hidden around the little pond where he and his mother sat and fed the Turtleducks, as if she left it there for him to find later in life, for him to figure out...or, you know, something like that.
sweatdrop
But I'm sure that Mike and Bryan, the evil geniuses, can come up with something much better^^
OMG, I'm so wordy, WTH.
Sorry for the lengthiness, I just had to get this out! Ursa lives!!
domokun
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:21 am
Random-Gal930 That's very likely! You're very good at making theories. I'm starting to believe in it all the more. That was some good hint-finding! I always thought that maybe she killed Azulon and ran away to the Air Temples. I don't know why, but I just did... eek
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:32 pm
rachaella22 Random-Gal930 That's very likely! You're very good at making theories. I'm starting to believe in it all the more. That was some good hint-finding! I always thought that maybe she killed Azulon and ran away to the Air Temples. I don't know why, but I just did... eek Well, you know, didn't the magazine say that we'd be going to the Western Air Temple? And didn't the Air Nomads play Pai Sho as well?
xd
Maybe there is some White Lotus activity going on in the old temples...
In fact...
The Fire Nation destroyed all the Air Nomad groups, right? So they probably haven't had any reason to go back to the temples they attacked ages ago(except for the Northern one where the guy in the wheel-chair's group moved in)....
...So maybe...
Maybe one of the old Air temples would be the perfect place to hide!! The Fire Nation armies would never go there! And since the other two have already been visited, Maybe they are in the Western one, right?
And The Western one, that's the closest one to the Fire Nation, right? And since me and my friend have concluded that Ursa probably isn't too far from the royal city, you know, for Zuko...hmm. What if the Western Air Temple is actually the headquaters of the White Lotus?!
Random-Gal, I think you've got something here.
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Think about it; after the invasion on the Day of Black Sun, which I don't think is going to go THAT well, let's face it...The Gaang escape on Appa, while the rest of their rag-tag army escape other ways...Maybe someone(even Aang again) is injured, and they fly to the Western Air temple for refuge while they recover from the battle. Zuko may or may not be with them, and he may or may not have once and for all changed at this point.
ONLY TO FIND that there are also people in this temple as well...The White Lotus. And Ursa.
Or, maybe, instead of Zuko being with them, Zuko wasn't part of the battle on the Day of Black Sun, because he'd left days or so before to look for his mother. Maybe he somehow finds a lead, and goes to the Air Temple, and the Gaang are already there, and he suddenly learns about the invasion, or the Gaang comes there days later.
Holy carp again!
eek
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:27 pm
o.o
You're theories are like, completely amazing. xD How do you come up with them so easily?!
But, I have to agree. Ursa is more than likely alive, and she's more than likely hiding out somewhere. How else are we supposed to learn about her mysterious disappearance.
The Air Temples are definately the perfect place to hide. Just the right place for a secret society and a run away Fire Lady.
Gahh! I wanna see more Avatar! Now!
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:02 pm
rachaella22 o.o
You're theories are like, completely amazing. xD How do you come up with them so easily?!
But, I have to agree. Ursa is more than likely alive, and she's more than likely hiding out somewhere. How else are we supposed to learn about her mysterious disappearance.
The Air Temples are definately the perfect place to hide. Just the right place for a secret society and a run away Fire Lady.
Gahh! I wanna see more Avatar! Now! I have a natural curiosity.
rofl
That, and an overactive imagination. And probably too much thinking time devoted to this kind of stuff.
sweatdrop
Gyah! I know, It's like I want to see them all now...but then, it'd be over, and waiting is HALF the thrill, if not more... I've already succumbed and watched up to episode 9, which is Nightmares and Daydreams...
Gyah, curse my natural curiosity!
gonk
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:29 am
Teh_Sheba rachaella22 o.o
You're theories are like, completely amazing. xD How do you come up with them so easily?!
But, I have to agree. Ursa is more than likely alive, and she's more than likely hiding out somewhere. How else are we supposed to learn about her mysterious disappearance.
The Air Temples are definately the perfect place to hide. Just the right place for a secret society and a run away Fire Lady.
Gahh! I wanna see more Avatar! Now! I have a natural curiosity.
rofl
That, and an overactive imagination. And probably too much thinking time devoted to this kind of stuff.
sweatdrop
Gyah! I know, It's like I want to see them all now...but then, it'd be over, and waiting is HALF the thrill, if not more... I've already succumbed and watched up to episode 9, which is Nightmares and Daydreams...
Gyah, curse my natural curiosity!
gonk
Though, I'm now very, very tempted to see what's happens in the other episodes. >.>
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:39 pm
((I've been waiting so long to go nuts here about this! Curse those people who leaked the episodes!! And well, cure me for sucummbing! XD))
whee
((Still, SPOILERS OF DAY OF BLACK SUN, DON'T READ IF YOU NEED TO SEE IT AND DON'T WANT SPOILERS!))
Alright.
Ursa killed Azulon, zomg!!
*checks one thing off her list of Ursa Theorizing*
She did it entirely for Zuko's protection, ignoring the consequences it held for her( Ie, banishment, being a traitor)
*checks another thing off her list of Ursa Theorizing*
Ozai was in on it....
*...*
Holy carp!! That's what was missing from the puzzle!
I was wondering (along with my friend Aki Yasu) why Ursa would have killed the one person standing between her husband and the throne. How just killing Azulon would protect Zuko, especially when Ozai was going to do it on his father's orders...He still could have done it, even if his father was gone. Just killing Azulon wouldn't have garunteed Zuko's safety.
But this makes perfect sense. Ozai and Ursa made a deal! Ursa would kill the old man, be banished, Ozai would assume the throne as Fire Lord, but in return for Ursa sacrificing her social stature for this, he'd not kill Zuko.
Now all that is to be debated is how Azulon went along to agree. Guess we'll find out when we meet up with Ursa!
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As to Iroh being involved...And the White Lotus...Well, there's still a good probability that she's with the White Lotus. I mean, it hasn't been proved, nor has it been DISproved. But Iroh...hmm. He may have gotten her a connection...He might have still helped her out of the city. I'd have to know how deeply Ozai was involved with her escape. Cause either one, the other, or neither were involved with that part of the plan. I'd like him to be involved, though, really I would^^ I'd like to have a little glimpse of Ursroh interaction! You know, even if it isn't couple-ish. I'd be quite happy if they interacted in any way at all with each other, though I still say they'd make a great couple!
xd
And also, part of the Western air temple was correct. Aang and everyone else are headed there for rest after the failed invasion. And Zuko is on their tail. They're all going to meet each other there, and I still believe that they're going to meet someone else there too; Ursa, The White Lotus, both, maybe... I don't think that there are any Airbenders left, sadly, but really. There was talk about it in the magazine..but I think that was more addressing rumors and maybe trying to lead us off track. Somehow I just don't get the feeling that we're going to run into Aang's buddies.
The next episode, The Western Air Temple, is probably going to be one of the best episodes, besides the two DoBS ones... Zuko joins(or tries to) the Gaang, zuko-Katara interaction is garanteed, we see another brand new place-the Air temple, and there's the chance that Zuko's mom is there.
And seeing Zuko's interaction with his mother may be a very important key in his earning of the Gaang's trust. Like I've said, it'll show Zuko's innocent side, it will let everyone, especially Katara, see that he's human after all.
A week has never seemed so long.
>.>
I apologize for babbling!
But holy crap, the theory! she comes true!
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:48 am
Spoilers! Highlight to read:
Waah! I'm so glad part of your theory has come true. Now we're so much closer to finding Ursa!
I'd love to see hwo the little details were put together, too. I mean, Azulon made it pretty clear that he wanted Iroh to be the next Fire Lord, yet somehow, in his dying moments, his mind was changed. The escape is a bit of a mystery, too. Ursa had to get out of the Fire Nation, seeing as she was banished, but she wouldn't be able to do so without transportation.
Another mystery to be solved!
Ahh! I wanna see the next eppie so bad! It's definately going to rock for all the reasons you've listed, plus the fact that we get to see all the old character together again, and see how they react to the prince of the Fire Nation siding with them. Should be pretty interesting.
No need to apologize! You're babbling is awesome. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:37 pm
Haha, I'm still squeeing over this!
XD
Me and Aki Yasu have gotten our Avatard friend at college in on this whole thing as well. Ursa, the White Lotus, the Air temple, the whole shebang ^^ He's totally with us!
mrgreen
But yeah, the thing about Azulon agreeing with this, that's a mystery. I'm thinking maybe they go in, discuss the whole "You kill Zuko" thing with Azulon...Ozai 'agrees' to kill Zuko, Azulon renames him, then Ursa does her thing. Aki Yasu has theorized that maybe she poisoned him, or something.
Or, maybe he never agreed...but Ozai said that Azulon named him as heir. And, being the "honorable" prince Ozai, everyone believes that it was his father's last, dying testimates to his youngest son or something... That'd certainly explain where Azula got her manipulative side...The whole thing is a conspiracy, man...
._.
And yes, she needed transportation! And eventually, she was going to need a place to stay. Who better than Iroh and the White Lotus Society to provide her with that?
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:48 am
=D Your theories are amazing. The whole thing is starting to make sense.
Now, if only Mike and Bryan were on our side with this. >.>
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:20 pm
Hey, you never know! Like I said, it hasn't been proved, nor has it been disproved!
And this is AVATAR, anything can happen!
XD
And now I'm drunk on thoughts that Iroh's gone off to form a White Lotus rebel army to help with the overthrowing of his little brother...I"m absolutely hopeless, really, I am!
rofl
It'd be totally cool if I'm right about all this, though...It'd be better than winning the lottery.
:3
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