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 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:31 pm
I'm just saying stuff that I said in the second post again, but this thread was for more of the people who would have believed it right off. It was to get us thinking about what you should be careful about in the guild, such as making claims or believing them. Anyone with any thoughts on trust and tightening the guild community, like I've also mentioned?
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:41 pm
Subrosian I'm just saying stuff that I said in the second post again, but this thread was for more of the people who would have believed it right off. It was to get us thinking about what you should be careful about in the guild, such as making claims or believing them. Anyone with any thoughts on trust and tightening the guild community, like I've also mentioned? By proving in your post that trust is a slippery slope, how and (my real question) why do you think we should build trust in the guild? Just a thought. EDIT: Rereading this, it sounds kind of mean. I'm really not trying to be. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:49 pm
Nookie Monster By proving in your post that trust is a slippery slope, how and (my real question) why do you think we should build trust in the guild? Just a thought.
Edit to respond to yours: It didn't come off as mean; it was a perfectly reasonable question.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:51 pm
Subrosian Nookie Monster By proving in your post that trust is a slippery slope, how and (my real question) why do you think we should build trust in the guild? Just a thought. If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...?
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:53 pm
Your description sounded a bit too... thought out. Usually peoples experiences are a bit more viceral. They aren't that extreme. The things which are extreme... well... alot of times the people sound a bit more bewildered then you did. The affects... well the strange reactions of your mother. That you talked to your mother. That seemed strange in and of itself
Who the ******** wouldn't first be thinking omg I'm insane upon that happening to them. Who wouldn't be...
But well you give people the benefit of the doubt. You never believe people right off even if you give the appearence of it.
Doubt is healthy belief or disbelief perhaps not.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:06 pm
Nookie Monster If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...?
1] Brag/Get attention
2] Deal with a problem
3] Enjoy watching people believe it blindly.
4] Hurt others for whatever reason.
5] Or in the more mundane, just to HIDE the truth which to them may be worse than the lie.
Sorry if I forgot anything, it's probable.
As for the supernatural in particular, I can only imagine. But by communication [Guild IRC chat!?] trust can be developed through honest friendship of similar interests, perhaps to a point when someone feels welcome enough to not have to feel like lying about themselves. In the perfect world, perhaps...
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:12 pm
Nookie Monster Subrosian Nookie Monster By proving in your post that trust is a slippery slope, how and (my real question) why do you think we should build trust in the guild? Just a thought. If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...? You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... I like your sig. Since all science does is explain the mysteries of nature, would it be cheating if a scientist joined? ...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:19 pm
Subrosian Nookie Monster If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...?
1] Brag/Get attention
2] Deal with a problem
3] Enjoy watching people believe it blindly.
4] Hurt others for whatever reason.
5] Or in the more mundane, just to HIDE the truth which to them may be worse than the lie.
Sorry if I forgot anything, it's probable.
As for the supernatural in particular, I can only imagine. But by communication [Guild IRC chat!?] trust can be developed through honest friendship of similar interests, perhaps to a point when someone feels welcome enough to not have to feel like lying about themselves. In the perfect world, perhaps...Excellent. Your reasoning sounds right on the mark. Now we have to eliminate these things. 1] Brag/Get attention, 2] Deal with a problem, 5] Hide the truth, which may be worse. To solve these reasons, we must be the first to develop the trust. Perhaps a sort of "Life Issues" forum? Not only would that comfort some people, but it would also be a sort of record for others when another problem arises ("I've been having dreams about laying eggs..." "Well, your mother wasn't around during your younger years, so maybe you have a desire to try your hand at raising a baby the way you feel you should have been, blah blah" Maybe more than dream interpretations could apply here, but particularly dream interpretations would be helped here. There is no "catch all" dream interpretations (Can you tell where my expertise is?). Anyway, this might be a poor example, and I'm sorry.) 4] Hurt others for whatever reason. This we can't do much about. This sort of person may be lashing out (above suggestion?), but if they are just vindictive/get pleasure from it, what can we do to solve it? Nothing, really. But we can protect ourselves. My theory is that people lie often on the internet because *gasp* they can get away with it. (Yeah, real original idea. I'm a genius.) We need to take that "safety in anonymity" away. How can we do that? I've noticed people feel less "safe" when you know what they look like. (Though why, I don't know.) I was thinking we might combine revealing our true identies (really, just appearances) and combine a psychic exercise I read in another forum. Perhaps set aside a thread with a few people wishing to practice their abilities, and have them guess other's appearances. Then the person posts their picture. I know that you can "lie" and post someone else's picture, but maybe there are a few honest people (or ones who hadn't thought of the loophole) that would release their anonymity. Also: read their post history. Consistent BS and even admitted lies are there for the dissecting. Honestly, I'm even prejudiced against certain forums. *cough* Chatterbox vampire RPs *cough*
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:20 pm
Baron von Turkeypants Nookie Monster Subrosian Nookie Monster By proving in your post that trust is a slippery slope, how and (my real question) why do you think we should build trust in the guild? Just a thought. If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...? You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... I like your sig. Since all science does is explain the mysteries of nature, would it be cheating if a scientist joined? ...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles. Maybe But my contest is unfortunately closed. If you are a writer, I'd be glad to tell you when my next one will start, though.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:22 pm
Nookie Monster Subrosian Nookie Monster If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...?
1] Brag/Get attention
2] Deal with a problem
3] Enjoy watching people believe it blindly.
4] Hurt others for whatever reason.
5] Or in the more mundane, just to HIDE the truth which to them may be worse than the lie.
Sorry if I forgot anything, it's probable.
As for the supernatural in particular, I can only imagine. But by communication [Guild IRC chat!?] trust can be developed through honest friendship of similar interests, perhaps to a point when someone feels welcome enough to not have to feel like lying about themselves. In the perfect world, perhaps...Excellent. Your reasoning sounds right on the mark. Now we have to eliminate these things. 1] Brag/Get attention, 2] Deal with a problem, 5] Hide the truth, which may be worse. To solve these reasons, we must be the first to develop the trust. Perhaps a sort of "Life Issues" forum? Not only would that comfort some people, but it would also be a sort of record for others when another problem arises ("I've been having dreams about laying eggs..." "Well, your mother wasn't around during your younger years, so maybe you have a desire to try your hand at raising a baby the way you feel you should have been, blah blah" Maybe more than dream interpretations could apply here, but particularly dream interpretations would be helped here. There is no "catch all" dream interpretations (Can you tell where my expertise is?). Anyway, this might be a poor example, and I'm sorry.) 4] Hurt others for whatever reason. This we can't do much about. This sort of person may be lashing out (above suggestion?), but if they are just vindictive/get pleasure from it, what can we do to solve it? Nothing, really. But we can protect ourselves. My theory is that people lie often on the internet because *gasp* they can get away with it. (Yeah, real original idea. I'm a genius.) We need to take that "safety in anonymity" away. How can we do that? I've noticed people feel less "safe" when you know what they look like. (Though why, I don't know.) I was thinking we might combine revealing our true identies (really, just appearances) and combine a psychic exercise I read in another forum. Perhaps set aside a thread with a few people wishing to practice their abilities, and have them guess other's appearances. Then the person posts their picture. I know that you can "lie" and post someone else's picture, but maybe there are a few honest people (or ones who hadn't thought of the loophole) that would release their anonymity. Also: read their post history. Consistent BS and even admitted lies are there for the dissecting. Honestly, I'm even prejudiced against certain forums. *cough* Chatterbox vampire RPs *cough* You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... I'm hella down for your proposed proto-scientific experiment! ...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:37 pm
Baron von Turkeypants Nookie Monster Subrosian Nookie Monster If we want to really learn from all the members in this guild, it is vital to have trust. How? ... Well, to do that, maybe we should look into why people lie about the supernatural, and what makes them comfortable to do so...?
1] Brag/Get attention
2] Deal with a problem
3] Enjoy watching people believe it blindly.
4] Hurt others for whatever reason.
5] Or in the more mundane, just to HIDE the truth which to them may be worse than the lie.
Sorry if I forgot anything, it's probable.
As for the supernatural in particular, I can only imagine. But by communication [Guild IRC chat!?] trust can be developed through honest friendship of similar interests, perhaps to a point when someone feels welcome enough to not have to feel like lying about themselves. In the perfect world, perhaps...Excellent. Your reasoning sounds right on the mark. Now we have to eliminate these things. 1] Brag/Get attention, 2] Deal with a problem, 5] Hide the truth, which may be worse. To solve these reasons, we must be the first to develop the trust. Perhaps a sort of "Life Issues" forum? Not only would that comfort some people, but it would also be a sort of record for others when another problem arises ("I've been having dreams about laying eggs..." "Well, your mother wasn't around during your younger years, so maybe you have a desire to try your hand at raising a baby the way you feel you should have been, blah blah" Maybe more than dream interpretations could apply here, but particularly dream interpretations would be helped here. There is no "catch all" dream interpretations (Can you tell where my expertise is?). Anyway, this might be a poor example, and I'm sorry.) 4] Hurt others for whatever reason. This we can't do much about. This sort of person may be lashing out (above suggestion?), but if they are just vindictive/get pleasure from it, what can we do to solve it? Nothing, really. But we can protect ourselves. My theory is that people lie often on the internet because *gasp* they can get away with it. (Yeah, real original idea. I'm a genius.) We need to take that "safety in anonymity" away. How can we do that? I've noticed people feel less "safe" when you know what they look like. (Though why, I don't know.) I was thinking we might combine revealing our true identies (really, just appearances) and combine a psychic exercise I read in another forum. Perhaps set aside a thread with a few people wishing to practice their abilities, and have them guess other's appearances. Then the person posts their picture. I know that you can "lie" and post someone else's picture, but maybe there are a few honest people (or ones who hadn't thought of the loophole) that would release their anonymity. Also: read their post history. Consistent BS and even admitted lies are there for the dissecting. Honestly, I'm even prejudiced against certain forums. *cough* Chatterbox vampire RPs *cough* You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... I'm hella down for your proposed proto-scientific experiment! ...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles. Like I said, it wasn't my idea. I think I found it in the games subforum? I just applied it to our current problem. sweatdrop redface
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:38 pm
Well, we already have a Self Help sub-forum that's kinda the same as the "Life Issues" forum. The picture thing is definitely a good idea, too. Perhaps we could develop it or other methods to break down the barrier of lies some people set around themselves. Not to weaken them, but to strengthen them. In my opinion, anyway, since I believe that honesty is the way to go and whatnot.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:46 pm
Subrosian Well, we already have a Self Help sub-forum that's kinda the same as the "Life Issues" forum. The picture thing is definitely a good idea, too. Perhaps we could develop it or other methods to break down the barrier of lies some people set around themselves. Not to weaken them, but to strengthen them. In my opinion, anyway, since I believe that honesty is the way to go and whatnot. Ooop, sorry, I completly overlooked the Self-Help forum. ^^;; Other methods? Strengthen? Hm... Shall we research some trust building excersises? Maybe we could have a seminar type thingy... I agree, strengthening our relationship is ideal, not beating down the others' defenses. Defenses are there for a reason, and most honestly believe it's a damn good reason.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:53 pm
When I said "strengthen" I didn't mean "strengthen their barrier of lies", I meant "strengthen them as a person". Just to clarify.
Edit: Trust can also be a bad thing when, obviously, you're believing something that just isn't true. Be mindful of the intentions of others, but don't be paranoid, perhaps. And the main focus here is when you lie about the supernatural. Lies to protect yourself from being hurt aren't uncommon, and while I still believe that honesty is the best way to go, acceptance is another thing that is necessary. One doesn't tell the truth if they think that someone is going to look down on them for who they really are.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:02 pm
Oh no, I didn't take it as strengthening their lies (or strengthening them as a person). I took it as strengthening their relationship with other members. If they trust us, then (hopefully) they won't LIE to us.
I've a done an eensy bit of research, and so far the only thing I can find that would apply to our unique online relationship is "eye contact" (the picture idea).
If we can show our own humanity, then it will make most humans feel pretty crappy about mistreating us. Kind of like in Silence of the Lambs, when the governer (or whatever) kept repeating her daughter's name on TV so if the killer heard, there would be a greater chance of him realizing his victim was an individual.
Something like that. biggrin
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