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 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:21 pm
The concern with drinking isn't the actual consumption of alcohol, but rather the not-so-smart things that people tend to do when they're piss drunk. If you're reponsible and can control yourself with it, there's nothing wrong with drinking. It's when you start to lose control, either because you're so intoxicated or because you're addicted to alcohol, that one runs into problems.
I was raised to appreciate good booze. It's true that most alcoholic drinks are an aquired taste, and my parents saw to it that I aquired that taste because such things are part of our culture. However, I've never even enjoyed being really, really drunk. I had a grand total of two experiences with it, vowed to never do it again, and haven't had any problems since. I enjoy a nice glass of wine with meals, or have a few drinks while out with my friends, and that's about it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:33 pm
Ok, first of all drinking is a sin, just like smoking. It kills you. It kills your liver and God says not to do anything that would damage your body. I also think that it's very selfish to drink and smoke because you do it to get the pleasure and don't care how it affects the others around you. It can make some of the nicest ppl in the world into retards. Makes respectable ppl into wife beaters.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:23 pm
Kaki Pan Ok, first of all drinking is a sin, just like smoking. Wrong. Debauchery is; drinking is not. Why not check out the story of Jesus turning water into wine? Drinking=/=Overdosing. It kills your liver and God says not to do anything that would damage your body. Red wine in moderation has been proven to decrease risks of cardiovascular diseases and strokes. Both red and white wine have been shown to decrease risk of bacterial contamination through the digestive system. It also decrease the risk of gallstones. Moderate drinking also keeps people thinking; moderate drinkers have the highest cognitive thinking skills later in life. It also prevents dementia later in life, including Alzheimer's. And, finally, it lowers risk of diabetes and osteoporosis. Quote: I also think that it's very selfish to drink and smoke because you do it to get the pleasure and don't care how it affects the others around you. What? Sorry, how would drinking in conjunction with smoking affect others around you any more than simply smoking would? Quote: It can make some of the nicest ppl in the world into retards. Makes respectable ppl into wife beaters. Wrong. That's getting drunk, not drinking.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:18 pm
Do you hate me or something. These is why i got mad at you before. I told you to leave me alone, and yet somehow you are drawn to my post.
I'd like to see any proof at all that drinking is healthy. And the wine story, everyone knows that it wasn't alcoholic. I don't see why you think that you are a Christian. I'm tired of being nice to ppl. EVERYTHING it says in the Bible you say isn't true. You don't do anything that the Bible says to but maybe love God. I don't see how this works for you.
Like I said before, LEAVE ME ALONE!
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:54 pm
My doctor prescribed me a daily glass of wine...
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:38 pm
Kaki Pan Do you hate me or something. I don't hate you; I'm rather disgusted by you, yes, but only inasmuch as I am disgusted by anyone who is illogical. Quote: ]These is why i got mad at you before. I told you to leave me alone, and yet somehow you are drawn to my post. I post in many threads, and I reply to many people. I am not going to leave you alone simply because you don't like having your ideas challenged; if you do not want your ideas challenged, do not posit them on a public forum incorporating a range of ideas. Quote: I'd like to see any proof at all that drinking is healthy. I have GIVEN you proof. If you are confusing drinking with alcoholism, that's completely wrong. Drinking in moderation is healthy in a number of ways, many of which I listed. Quote: And the wine story, everyone knows that it wasn't alcoholic. Drinking=/=alcoholic. Quote: I don't see why you think that you are a Christian. Because I believe in God and Jesus Christ, I believe that Christ was crucified and rose from the dead to save us from our sins, and I try to live my life as set out in the Bible. Quote: I'm tired of being nice to ppl. Then don't be nice. As long as you remain logical, I could care less if you swear at me or insult me. This does not extend to ad hominems; that, of course, is illogical. Quote: EVERYTHING it says in the Bible you say isn't true. Downright wrong. More accurately, "Most of the things in the Bible currently used by the Evangelical Right as political footballs, I contest the interpretations of." This includes four things. Evolution Homosexuality Abortion Atheist lack of morals Nothing else. Quote: You don't do anything that the Bible says to but maybe love God. I don't see how this works for you. Quite well; I have not lost a debate on doctrine yet. Quote: Like I said before, LEAVE ME ALONE! Your irrational belief that I am in some way stalking you implies that you may have Histrionic or Narcissistic personality disorder, or simple paranoia. It's just a suggestion, but you should do some interviews with psychiatrists and get help. It's what I've already done with depression (didn't have), Asperger's (do have) and what I'm planning to do with Seasonal Affective Disorder.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:07 am
Kaki Pan Do you hate me or something. These is why i got mad at you before. I told you to leave me alone, and yet somehow you are drawn to my post. I'd like to see any proof at all that drinking is healthy. And the wine story, everyone knows that it wasn't alcoholic. I don't see why you think that you are a Christian. I'm tired of being nice to ppl. EVERYTHING it says in the Bible you say isn't true. You don't do anything that the Bible says to but maybe love God. I don't see how this works for you. Like I said before, LEAVE ME ALONE! she's right on those points he has made.....drinking in moderation...especially certain types of wine and such isn't a bad thing. it is the getting drunk that is. there is a verse in proverbs talking about a little wine settles the stomach. and to say that the wine then wasn't alcoholic is probably completely off as well, now how much alcohol was in it...we don't know that but it still had to be a fermented...something. the Bible is quite clear that we are not to get drunk...but it never says not to drink. even Jesus drank b/c the pharisees were surprised that he sat and drank with the sinners and tax collectors at a party. and about your asking to leaver her alone...your the one who put your opinion on the board it's bond to be replied to be someone at some point, that's why it's called a discussion board. it happens. if you don't want to have your opinions torn apart and shown that they are not 100% right then i suggest not posting. i'm not trying to be mean to you, just stating the fact. this doesn't mean that i'm agaisnt you on everything but disagreements happen, we're human and until we get to heaven we will not know everything there is, different opinions on some subject are bond to come up...some of those are worth debating about others are just fun to discuss but in the end are unimportant. it's life and to quote boy meets world "life tough get a helmet"
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:21 am
etchedspirit Today in youth group we had a debate on wheather or not it was a sin to drink....(alcohol or any related things like that) I personally do not think it is a sin to drink. I think that as long as you are not doing it to get drunk, maybe like, one drink, then it's ok. Nowhere in the bible ( that I have seen)does it say that it is a sin to DRINK, it does say however that being drunk is bad. So as long as it is done in moderation then ur good. BUT! *big but* if someone has had drinking problems in the past, like they used to be alcoholics then I believe they should stay away. So...what do you guys think?
Proverbs 31:6
~Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter. (N.A.S.B)
~Give liquor to a person who is dying and wine to one who feels resentful.(G.W.T)
Jeremia 25:27
~"You shall say to them, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, "Drink, be drunk, vomit, fall and rise no more because of the sword which I will send among you."' (N.A.S.B)
*Here drinking doesn't sound like a leisure activity does it?
*It's a domino affect kinda thing....
That's just what i think. Personally, the main reasons why I don't drink are, because in Jeremiah, God told the different groups of people to drink so they could die "fall and rise no more" AND because there is a chance i might become addicted, and become an alcoholic AND my (immediate) family doesn't drink either. xd
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:59 pm
trinity343 she's right... ...to leaver her alone... I'm male. ^-^
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:14 pm
Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori trinity343 she's right... ...to leaver her alone... I'm male. ^-^ sorry...can't tell from your avi
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:13 pm
trinity343 Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori trinity343 she's right... ...to leaver her alone... I'm male. ^-^ sorry...can't tell from your avi It's cuz he's gay. Just cuz you don't shut up doesn't mean that you won the fight. Right now you are just being stupid. I'm not crazy, that's for sure. I know that you are harassing me and you can deny it but that doesn't make it true. You are going to cause someone to kill themselves someday and then you'll regret how you treat ppl. I sit around for hours and find the most "logical" method for things. That is where I get my beliefs, and just cuz I post them doesn't mean that I want your opinion on my opinions. I'm not posting in this topic after this. We have gone off topic.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:22 pm
Kaki Pan trinity343 Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori trinity343 she's right... ...to leaver her alone... I'm male. ^-^ sorry...can't tell from your avi It's cuz he's gay. Just cuz you don't shut up doesn't mean that you won the fight. Right now you are just being stupid. I'm not crazy, that's for sure. I know that you are harassing me and you can deny it but that doesn't make it true. You are going to cause someone to kill themselves someday and then you'll regret how you treat ppl. I sit around for hours and find the most "logical" method for things. That is where I get my beliefs, and just cuz I post them doesn't mean that I want your opinion on my opinions. I'm not posting in this topic after this. We have gone off topic. looks like im late to the party
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:52 pm
kitsunegami Since I come from an alcholic family I was also terrified of what might happen if I ever took my first drink. A few years ago, however, my doctor suggested that drinking a glass of wine every night could help me with my chronic pain (red wine has been tentatively shown to have various medicinal benefits but only when consumed in moderation). Normally there is no drinking alcohol to be found in the homes of either my parents or my wife's family but a couple of Christmases ago my wife's aunt decided to offer everyone wine at the annual family Christmas gathering in honor of her son who had been killed by a drunk driver that year. (I don't know why the choice was made and I'm polite enough not to ask.) My wife (TuraLura here on Gaia) and I decided that there would be no better time to see if I had inherited my father's alcoholism. I was simultaneously excited and horrified to discover that alcohol tastes nasty. It was good news because I had absolutely no desire to drink more (so I wasn't going to become an alcoholic) but it was bad news because I had absolutely no desire to drink more (and thus wouldn't get the medical benefits). I tell you all of that to show you where I'm coming from. I've seen what drunkenness can do to people and their families. I'm also aware of the health benefits that alcohol can bestow. I beg everyone to learn from what I've experienced in three decades of life: all things in moderation. God created everything so nothing is inherently evil. But Satan (who lacks the ability to create) likes to corrupt God's creations for his own devices. Whether or not you drink is between you and God but remember: "Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." - 1 Cor 10:31 (NASB)
Coming from a family of European immigrants (Sicily and Germany), I can tell you that wine was available at almost every dinner, and there was no real legal drinking age. Small children were given a glass of wine mixed with water at special occasions. That surprised me a great deal when I found this out.
But even more surprising, my father, a Sicilian/Italian Methodist chaplain and minister informed me, that while alchohol is readily available and enjoyed by many people, public drunkenness is considered rude, foolish, and is interpreted as a sign that a person has no self control in his native country.
That is not to say that alchoholism does not occur in Europe, because it most certainly does. But the attitude towards alchohol is that it is to be enjoyed, but not abused. My belief is that it is not the consumption of alchohol that is the sin, but allowing it to become such an influence over your life that it comes between you and your relationship with God.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:24 pm
Kaki Pan trinity343 Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori trinity343 she's right... ...to leaver her alone... I'm male. ^-^ sorry...can't tell from your avi It's cuz he's gay. And yet again, we dissolve into Ad Hominems. Quote: Just cuz you don't shut up doesn't mean that you won the fight. You're right. It's when the other person gives up that I win the fight. Quote: Right now you are just being stupid. Ad Hominem until you can detail exactly how. Quote: I'm not crazy, that's for sure. I didn't say you were. When I suggested you get help, I tried to word it in as nice a way I could, so you would know I've done the same thing and there's no shame in it. Quote: I know that you are harassing me and you can deny it but that doesn't make it true. Okay. ^-^ Quote: You are going to cause someone to kill themselves someday and then you'll regret how you treat ppl. If you are truly motivated to kill yourself over what I've said to you, the problem is definitely not what I've said to you. Quote: I sit around for hours and find the most "logical" method for things. Based on what criteria? Quote: That is where I get my beliefs, and just cuz I post them doesn't mean that I want your opinion on my opinions. I'm not posting in this topic after this. We have gone off topic. Nobody actually wants another person's opinions on their opinions. Get used to it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:39 am
Kaki Pan Do you hate me or something. These is why i got mad at you before. I told you to leave me alone, and yet somehow you are drawn to my post. I'd like to see any proof at all that drinking is healthy. And the wine story, everyone knows that it wasn't alcoholic. I don't see why you think that you are a Christian. I'm tired of being nice to ppl. EVERYTHING it says in the Bible you say isn't true. You don't do anything that the Bible says to but maybe love God. I don't see how this works for you. Like I said before, LEAVE ME ALONE! Honestly, you're being quite silly. Just because someone disagrees with you about something and explains why they disagree doesn't mean that they're stalking you or something. If you can't handle a bit of disagreement, the simplest solution is just to never say anything at all. Seeing as how that's a highly impractical way to live, though, a better idea might be to not take everything so damn personally. The wine wasn't alcoholic? You do realise that by definition, wine is alcoholic. If it wasn't alcoholic, it would be grape juice.
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