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Erasmas

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:01 pm


I disagree. I think people know about birth control and know how to get on the Pill and know where to get condoms...and if they know, they know were to get the info in minutes. This is just more uselessness meant to divert attention away from the fact that the only people at fault are the ones killing their unborn children because they ******** up.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:29 pm


This is partially true. However, this needs to be eased into so that there is less of a want for abortion.

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lymelady
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:18 pm


It's uselessness to try and reduce the number of abortions by reduing unwanted pregnancies? Can you please explain to me how less demand for abortions is uselessness?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:38 pm


lymelady
It's uselessness to try and reduce the number of abortions by reduing unwanted pregnancies? Can you please explain to me how less demand for abortions is uselessness?

Not really no.
Oh yeah, hey hon twisted

Amens_Magus


Erasmas

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:41 pm


lymelady
It's uselessness to try and reduce the number of abortions by reduing unwanted pregnancies? Can you please explain to me how less demand for abortions is uselessness?


The hell? You reduce unwanted pregnancy by doubling-down on contraception and/or abstaining from sex. But "educating" people on something they already know is a waste of time.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:55 pm


Erasmas
lymelady
It's uselessness to try and reduce the number of abortions by reduing unwanted pregnancies? Can you please explain to me how less demand for abortions is uselessness?


The hell? You reduce unwanted pregnancy by doubling-down on contraception and/or abstaining from sex. But "educating" people on something they already know is a waste of time.
You can reduce unwanted pregnancy by actually using contraception properly, which is something that a surprising number of individuals don't know how to do. You can also reduce it by allowing people to get sterilized when they want to. You can reduce it by spreading the idea that it's okay to say "no" when you don't feel your ready, and it's not selfish to insist on birth control, that it doesn't "ruin the moment."

lymelady
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WatersMoon110
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:46 pm


Erasmas
The hell? You reduce unwanted pregnancy by doubling-down on contraception and/or abstaining from sex. But "educating" people on something they already know is a waste of time.

Isn't telling people to use multiple forms of contraception or to refrain from sex educating them?

And don't people already know about these ways to better prevent unintentional pregnancy?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:10 pm


Tyshia2

I think part of the problem is that a lot of strictly pro-life organizations are very religious based, and promote the abstinance only crap. (At least around here they do.) So the pro-choice places are really the only ones who actively try to get the safe sex stuff out there.


While I do disagree with the organizations that promote political pro-life stands based on their religious viewpoints, I do think they definitely have the same rights to express their opinions, to help women, and to create these organizations as others.

However I also think that abstinance is the only 100% (or practically 100%) effective method to keep from getting pregnant. That said it really annoys me when BOTH sides refuse to give out good and complete information. People teaching about abstinance should make sure to offer the other options. I also think that people who are promoting the condoms need to make darn sure that they still mention that abstinance is the most effective choice, and that ALL contraceptives can fail, what can happen when they fail. Lastly I think that discussing abortion as an option shouldn't be required. According to most stats I see the majority of the population opposed the use of abortion as a contraceptive method. It's currently a very common option, but I don't think any councelor should be forced to suggest or promote a method that they believe is ethically wrong.

elffromspace


WatersMoon110
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:07 pm


elffromspace
Tyshia2

I think part of the problem is that a lot of strictly pro-life organizations are very religious based, and promote the abstinance only crap. (At least around here they do.) So the pro-choice places are really the only ones who actively try to get the safe sex stuff out there.


While I do disagree with the organizations that promote political pro-life stands based on their religious viewpoints, I do think they definitely have the same rights to express their opinions, to help women, and to create these organizations as others.

However I also think that abstinance is the only 100% (or practically 100%) effective method to keep from getting pregnant. That said it really annoys me when BOTH sides refuse to give out good and complete information. People teaching about abstinance should make sure to offer the other options. I also think that people who are promoting the condoms need to make darn sure that they still mention that abstinance is the most effective choice, and that ALL contraceptives can fail, what can happen when they fail. Lastly I think that discussing abortion as an option shouldn't be required. According to most stats I see the majority of the population opposed the use of abortion as a contraceptive method. It's currently a very common option, but I don't think any councelor should be forced to suggest or promote a method that they believe is ethically wrong.
One can't use abortion as contraception, because "contraception" means "prevents pregnancy". I do agree that abortion should never be the only method of birth control used though (I mean, come on people! If you don't want to be pregnant, but aren't going to refrain from sex, use a condom).

I don't think that any agency that teaches about birth control methods doesn't mention abstinence. Abstinence is always taught, as it is the only way to completely avoid the possibility of unintentional pregnancy.

Who shouldn't be forced to discuss abortions? Teachers? What do you mean by "counselor"? Like a therapists?
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