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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:45 pm
Holy s**t, children. What have you been doing since I've been at college? Ripping each other's throats out?
Fluffysteel2, I hate to break it to you, but you OP is very, very dam confusing. If you want people to actually read your posts, you may try a different shade of pink. It's pretty damn obnoxious. I have a difficult time reading it, and, as much as I would like to be objective, it kind of makes me hate to read your posts. But I do, because I want to help.
While I cannot answer your (ever-so-ambiguous) question, I can try to help people to understand what it is exactly that you're asking. I've read your posts twice now, and the best guess that I have is that you're asking for proof that there are "people"(/creatures?) who require ingesting blood to sustain normal life function. If that's not it, allow me to quote some conflicting statements of yours. (I'm too lazy to format them properly, but all of these are your quotes, copied and pasted.)
"i would like to see someone proove to me the existance of an HLV vampire that sucks blood.." (first post)
"EDIT: bam i did say HLV... in any case i would like someone to proove it to me since there is only one person i ever saw in the guild who said they sucked blood." (second post)- It makes it sound like you're looking for proof that people suck blood, regardless of whether they're a vampire or not.
" i merely wany someone to proove to me there is such a thing otu there as vampires who suck blood." (third post)- Seems pretty clear-cut.
" i would love to see you quote me, at any point in time, that i said the proof i want is someone drinking blood. i do recall stateing however, that as long as they proove it with solid evidence, it can be whatever evidence they want and are comfortable with." (some other post. I'm too angry at you for being a b***h to Page that I don't want to count.)- If you're not looking for evidence of blood-drinking, what the hell are you looking for? Perhaps if you suggest some other way of "proving" vampiredom (is that a word? I like it), you might actually get what you're looking for. But you're being very ambiguous, and no one seems to like it.
Oh, now I get to yell at you for being mean to Page/Yagi.
Dude, she was just trying to help. She was not attacking you; she does not attack (usually). There was nothing "ignorant" about her post. Actually, you're the only one being ignorant here. And you're being bitchy. I'm not trying to make you leave the guild. In fact, I rather like some of your thoughts and ideas. This idea is a reasonable one. It was just presented in a confusing and...immature manner. You're 14. You're intelligible. Yay. Congratulations, you beat out the other 6 billion people and actually got some brains. You're just incoherent. Your typing is terrible, and some of your words are...well, nonexistant. "Theasable," for example, is not a word. But that's ok. No one's perfect. You're just really damn defensive. Maybe if you calmed down a little, and tried to explain things coherently, people would help you more. Hell, they may even answer your question. But I know, at least, that if I was a real vampire, I wouldn't want to prove s**t to you. After the way you treated Page, who was trying to help you, I wouldn't want to prove anything to you, for fear of you going off on me. Well, actually, if I was in a particularly argumentative mood, I might. But I don't think most people would. So take a breath, slow down, and download Firefox (yay spell check?).
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:28 pm
ShadowHail Alrighty, Fluffy. <.< While you may not have intended, or wanted to sound like an a** when you were responding to Pageantry, you sorta did. The main reason why people ask about vampires is because they're what I like to call "Vampire groupies" The classic kid who's all "OOo, vampires are cool, I wana be one, pleeease?" There's also the fact that the majority of the posts here are revolving around feeding, even if that's nto what you intended. So, she was adressing those topics. Also the age thing. She asked your age, not because she saw you as immature, but because, as she said, most vampires won't accept donations from minors. This was in line with what she thought the discussion was. And you've got to admit, you typing is very sloppy, which does tend to lead to some assumptions about maturity. So please, knock off the rant, she was only trying to be helpful and doesn't deserve to be yelled at. it wasnt a rant. i wasnt mad of anythign when i typed it i just tried to clear it all up so we can get on the right track. the way i worded it was pretty simple. "hey vampires, proove you exist." confused
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:47 pm
DrasBrisingr Holy s**t, children. What have you been doing since I've been at college? Ripping each other's throats out? Fluffysteel2, I hate to break it to you, but you OP is very, very dam confusing. If you want people to actually read your posts, you may try a different shade of pink. It's pretty damn obnoxious. I have a difficult time reading it, and, as much as I would like to be objective, it kind of makes me hate to read your posts. But I do, because I want to help. While I cannot answer your (ever-so-ambiguous) question, I can try to help people to understand what it is exactly that you're asking. I've read your posts twice now, and the best guess that I have is that you're asking for proof that there are "people"(/creatures?) who require ingesting blood to sustain normal life function. If that's not it, allow me to quote some conflicting statements of yours. (I'm too lazy to format them properly, but all of these are your quotes, copied and pasted.) "i would like to see someone proove to me the existance of an HLV vampire that sucks blood.." (first post) "EDIT: bam i did say HLV... in any case i would like someone to proove it to me since there is only one person i ever saw in the guild who said they sucked blood." (second post)- It makes it sound like you're looking for proof that people suck blood, regardless of whether they're a vampire or not. " i merely wany someone to proove to me there is such a thing otu there as vampires who suck blood." (third post)- Seems pretty clear-cut. " i would love to see you quote me, at any point in time, that i said the proof i want is someone drinking blood. i do recall stateing however, that as long as they proove it with solid evidence, it can be whatever evidence they want and are comfortable with." (some other post. I'm too angry at you for being a b***h to Page that I don't want to count.)- If you're not looking for evidence of blood-drinking, what the hell are you looking for? Perhaps if you suggest some other way of "proving" vampiredom (is that a word? I like it), you might actually get what you're looking for. But you're being very ambiguous, and no one seems to like it. Oh, now I get to yell at you for being mean to Page/Yagi. Dude, she was just trying to help. She was not attacking you; she does not attack (usually). There was nothing "ignorant" about her post. Actually, you're the only one being ignorant here. And you're being bitchy. I'm not trying to make you leave the guild. In fact, I rather like some of your thoughts and ideas. This idea is a reasonable one. It was just presented in a confusing and...immature manner. You're 14. You're intelligible. Yay. Congratulations, you beat out the other 6 billion people and actually got some brains. You're just incoherent. Your typing is terrible, and some of your words are...well, nonexistant. "Theasable," for example, is not a word. But that's ok. No one's perfect. You're just really damn defensive. Maybe if you calmed down a little, and tried to explain things coherently, people would help you more. Hell, they may even answer your question. But I know, at least, that if I was a real vampire, I wouldn't want to prove s**t to you. After the way you treated Page, who was trying to help you, I wouldn't want to prove anything to you, for fear of you going off on me. Well, actually, if I was in a particularly argumentative mood, I might. But I don't think most people would. So take a breath, slow down, and download Firefox (yay spell check?). XD i know. i failed computer apps... and i wasnt trying to be a d**k to your friend but youve gotta understand that there are so many d**ks out there that word the things they say like she did assumeing that im a kid for things i want to know about. i didnt join this guild to be rideculed about being a teen, i joined because i wanted to see if anyone in here had anything intellegent to say. most people do. having said that, i didnt join in this guild and start off about how your all little kids for being interested in magick simple because thats ignorant.
as for my wording ill admit i do f**k up my word order sometimes and occasionaly cant type fast enough to put the thoughts down. i do the same crap on speling tests like leaving out words and replaceing the with e. when i read back (which i do sometimes) i only realy look for complete words ect.
in any case, dont go having a temper tantrum because i replied to what your friend said with what needed to be said. she askes things and told me things that didnt even slightly pertain to the start of this. i said basicly "proove your a vampire if you are, if your not then please just pipe down. ill say it again, i wasnt being a d**k. when i posted it, i wasnt angry or upset or anything. i was just explaining.
if nobody likes that i type in pink because its obnoxious, i wont post anymore. if im being disruptive, then please by all means boot me from the guild. if anything it would let me go to a place where the people on it arent jerks at all. ( no offence to everyone who isnt being a d**k, and no offence to anyone whos acctualy helpful)
and im not downloading firefox. i have WOW on my comptuer and that things a pig by itself. gonk and theisable is a word im proble just spelling it wrong.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:07 pm
Again Fluffy, that may not have been what you were feeling or how you were intending to sound, but it's how you came across one way or the other. Just so you know.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:23 pm
Off topic, but I think you should at least give FireFox a quick go. I know I was hesitant to do so, especially since I can't just delete Internet Explorer off the computer...
But, I love the tab system, because it keeps everything constrained into one window and I can navigate much more easily. Plus, it helps with those add ons and such. I can see the weather (although sometimes it's a bit buggy... yay for sunny days when it's raining!!), surf deviantART so much faster... various things.
Again, I would give it a quick go... and then you could just delete it if it's not your thing.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:43 pm
aaarhus Off topic, but I think you should at least give FireFox a quick go. I know I was hesitant to do so, especially since I can't just delete Internet Explorer off the computer...
But, I love the tab system, because it keeps everything constrained into one window and I can navigate much more easily. Plus, it helps with those add ons and such. I can see the weather (although sometimes it's a bit buggy... yay for sunny days when it's raining!!), surf deviantART so much faster... various things.
Again, I would give it a quick go... and then you could just delete it if it's not your thing. gonk i would try fox fire but it just doesnt work. something about firewalls. its becuase i have this macafee antivirus thing installed. >.<
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:25 pm
fluffysteel2 DrasBrisingr Holy s**t, children. What have you been doing since I've been at college? Ripping each other's throats out? Fluffysteel2, I hate to break it to you, but you OP is very, very dam confusing. If you want people to actually read your posts, you may try a different shade of pink. It's pretty damn obnoxious. I have a difficult time reading it, and, as much as I would like to be objective, it kind of makes me hate to read your posts. But I do, because I want to help. While I cannot answer your (ever-so-ambiguous) question, I can try to help people to understand what it is exactly that you're asking. I've read your posts twice now, and the best guess that I have is that you're asking for proof that there are "people"(/creatures?) who require ingesting blood to sustain normal life function. If that's not it, allow me to quote some conflicting statements of yours. (I'm too lazy to format them properly, but all of these are your quotes, copied and pasted.) "i would like to see someone proove to me the existance of an HLV vampire that sucks blood.." (first post) "EDIT: bam i did say HLV... in any case i would like someone to proove it to me since there is only one person i ever saw in the guild who said they sucked blood." (second post)- It makes it sound like you're looking for proof that people suck blood, regardless of whether they're a vampire or not. " i merely wany someone to proove to me there is such a thing otu there as vampires who suck blood." (third post)- Seems pretty clear-cut. " i would love to see you quote me, at any point in time, that i said the proof i want is someone drinking blood. i do recall stateing however, that as long as they proove it with solid evidence, it can be whatever evidence they want and are comfortable with." (some other post. I'm too angry at you for being a b***h to Page that I don't want to count.)- If you're not looking for evidence of blood-drinking, what the hell are you looking for? Perhaps if you suggest some other way of "proving" vampiredom (is that a word? I like it), you might actually get what you're looking for. But you're being very ambiguous, and no one seems to like it. Oh, now I get to yell at you for being mean to Page/Yagi. Dude, she was just trying to help. She was not attacking you; she does not attack (usually). There was nothing "ignorant" about her post. Actually, you're the only one being ignorant here. And you're being bitchy. I'm not trying to make you leave the guild. In fact, I rather like some of your thoughts and ideas. This idea is a reasonable one. It was just presented in a confusing and...immature manner. You're 14. You're intelligible. Yay. Congratulations, you beat out the other 6 billion people and actually got some brains. You're just incoherent. Your typing is terrible, and some of your words are...well, nonexistant. "Theasable," for example, is not a word. But that's ok. No one's perfect. You're just really damn defensive. Maybe if you calmed down a little, and tried to explain things coherently, people would help you more. Hell, they may even answer your question. But I know, at least, that if I was a real vampire, I wouldn't want to prove s**t to you. After the way you treated Page, who was trying to help you, I wouldn't want to prove anything to you, for fear of you going off on me. Well, actually, if I was in a particularly argumentative mood, I might. But I don't think most people would. So take a breath, slow down, and download Firefox (yay spell check?). XD i know. i failed computer apps... and i wasnt trying to be a d**k to your friend but youve gotta understand that there are so many d**ks out there that word the things they say like she did assumeing that im a kid for things i want to know about. i didnt join this guild to be rideculed about being a teen, i joined because i wanted to see if anyone in here had anything intellegent to say. most people do. having said that, i didnt join in this guild and start off about how your all little kids for being interested in magick simple because thats ignorant.
as for my wording ill admit i do f**k up my word order sometimes and occasionaly cant type fast enough to put the thoughts down. i do the same crap on speling tests like leaving out words and replaceing the with e. when i read back (which i do sometimes) i only realy look for complete words ect.
in any case, dont go having a temper tantrum because i replied to what your friend said with what needed to be said. she askes things and told me things that didnt even slightly pertain to the start of this. i said basicly "proove your a vampire if you are, if your not then please just pipe down. ill say it again, i wasnt being a d**k. when i posted it, i wasnt angry or upset or anything. i was just explaining.
if nobody likes that i type in pink because its obnoxious, i wont post anymore. if im being disruptive, then please by all means boot me from the guild. if anything it would let me go to a place where the people on it arent jerks at all. ( no offence to everyone who isnt being a d**k, and no offence to anyone whos acctualy helpful)
and im not downloading firefox. i have WOW on my comptuer and that things a pig by itself. gonk and theisable is a word im proble just spelling it wrong. Alright, Josh's turn.
I don't know where you're from, but you respect the people who run the institutions you visit. Now, most of the time you contribute fine which is why I don't want to run you out of town, but you need to respect these people. Yagi and Dras take time out of their days getting educated to come in here and help people. Which means even if they are wrong and misguided, you treat them right, because God bless them for showing up. And in this case, I'm sorry, but you did act like a d**k, and you were wrong. I read your responses to Yagi, and mostly you were just selectively reading her posts and drawing the wrong conclusions. I don't feel like quoting the posts, but Dras did a good job of that. No, she didn't have a "temper tantrum," and don't say that anymore. Yagi mentions one time you'd have to be 18 to give blood and that you are probably a kid. No one cares if you are 14. No one cares if you post in pink. People care if you're a jerk. No one wants you to leave. They just want you to not act like a jerk. So, don't and it will be fine.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:21 pm
This has potential for sorta closing the discussion on the subject, feel free to ignore this post.
I'll choose to add that there is no possible way to "prove" anything that has ever been mentioned when it comes to "the occult."
No way to prove otherkin, vampires, "energy manipulation/work," magic(k) and so forth.
This thread asks for an impossible task, and I feel that said task is the center and origin of all the disharmony (angst?) found in here.
Asking for proof that someone needs anything other than food, water, and shelter is always debatable. I say I need my books. You say I don't. Others say that it makes me a better person. Another group says I could have gotten it without books. (stupid example, but it works)
The debate goes around, and has no conclusion.
Person A says "I'm a vampire, and need human blood to function properly. Person B :" B.S., prove it." A: "Ok, I'll go a while without drinking any blood, and once I do I'll feel better."
This has problems that have already been pointed out. I could say that I am a sanguinarian vampire, but am allergic to all blood types except AB+ when it comes to feeding. I could easily fake symptoms, and then just return to normal upon ingesting a small quantity of blood. Point being that I lied, and there is no way to prove me wrong, other than to say there is no scientific support for my claim.
Once someone says "there is no scientific support" consistancy demands that they continue with this train of thought (otherwise they should be ignored, as they are inconsistant). So unless the asker of "prove it" will accept it on the word of someone over the internet (or in real life), then they must conclude that they do not believe in vampires.
Once they conclude they do not believe in vampires, a plausible explanation of why must be given. Why does it "sound iffy?" Does it bother that rational side that pays attention to the five senses, bending only to cold hard logic when the senses are contradicted?
If you say "I have a sixth sense" you have eliminated your basis for being able to say firmly that vampires do not exist. By admitting anything supernatural, you lose the ability to firmly say that X isn't real. Now you may only conjecture on the basis of belief/faith, and few people are willing to have a "Bible fight" sort of match.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:36 pm
fluffysteel2 gonk i would try fox fire but it just doesnt work. something about firewalls. its becuase i have this macafee antivirus thing installed. >.< Regardless of what happens, it's McAfee who is the real d**k. Try AVG? At least AVG is freeware. And, you know, not McAfee. I also hear they have Safari for Windows now. But it's probably buggy. Anyway. I don't believe I was having a temper tantrum. I believe that was you, sir. But regardless, I think anger is a constructive emotion. Ignorance, intolerance, and hatred are not constructive emotions. You can be angry. You can b***h at people. As long as it's subtle enough as not to be terribly offensive. You were offensive and annoyed. It's over now, so it doesn't really matter. But in the future, take a breath before you type up a post. Perhaps you should look into taking something, if your thoughts are racing so terribly. Have you ever been diagnosed with ADHD? I'm not trying to be mean, sarcastic, or offensive. I'm just trying to help. I'm completely against the whole, "Little Jimmy can't concentrate in class because he sits next to a pretty girl. Let's pump him full of Adderall and watch him have conniption fits!" But I do believe it's needed in some adolescents and adults. If it's a chronic thing that interferes with your schoolwork, perhaps there is a treatable problem. Again, I'm not trying to be offensive. Not even subtlely offensive. I hate having to qualify myself like that, but it seems necessary, under the circumstances.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:59 pm
I share the feeling that the post is disrespectful for other people in this forum who have openly declared to be vampires. Whether we believe it or not, it's not our right to mock about it.
What I've read on etherical-astral vampirism is that it's just an energetic phenomenon. Mythological vampires are just symbolical and veiled interpretations of that knowledge that was very secret in the past. Depressive people are more inclined to be "energy feeders", because their own energy levels are very low (or so I've read). Some times we all feel tired and down, and may feel like we're taking other people's energy. In those ocassions we can simply try a little bit of sunlight and a large desire of feeling optimist and well. It's very effective and it doesn't involve taking other people's energy.
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