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 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:46 pm
Leto atreides Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided... not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number. The both of you make very fine points but still the title is nations at war so we are assuming that the dragons can step outside there individualistic nature in this instance to from a bond in hopes of something greater. Even if the chromatic and metallic form two separate nations making it three total. We still have two full blown kingdoms of dragons living amongest each other doing something thats never truly been done before by dragons. Which causes me to think that the only true infighting will be among the chromatic dragons with there nation resembling some thing close to that of drow society. I can see the metallic and giants forging a truce of sorts. And if there was a red powerful enough to cow all the others into submission the chromatic nation mite not be as easily defeated as every one seems to think. What I'm asking for here is not a dozen reasons why it could never work but for all of us to think outside the box and then figure out what you think mite happen if it did work. a powerful red would still have to deal with at least one nearly-as-powerful gold...
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:25 pm
Orion Daermon Leto atreides Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided... not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number. The both of you make very fine points but still the title is nations at war so we are assuming that the dragons can step outside there individualistic nature in this instance to from a bond in hopes of something greater. Even if the chromatic and metallic form two separate nations making it three total. We still have two full blown kingdoms of dragons living amongest each other doing something thats never truly been done before by dragons. Which causes me to think that the only true infighting will be among the chromatic dragons with there nation resembling some thing close to that of drow society. I can see the metallic and giants forging a truce of sorts. And if there was a red powerful enough to cow all the others into submission the chromatic nation mite not be as easily defeated as every one seems to think. What I'm asking for here is not a dozen reasons why it could never work but for all of us to think outside the box and then figure out what you think mite happen if it did work. a powerful red would still have to deal with at least one nearly-as-powerful gold... I still say the smaller races would win i mean unless there is nothing left in the world then other fractions are going to take notice. Cult of the dragon anyone? and as i have said before one circle of high elf wizards can easily crush a flight or two of dragons. baring that in a one on one giants all the way its a birth rate issue, dragons cant keep pace with giants.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:13 pm
Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided... not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number. The both of you make very fine points but still the title is nations at war so we are assuming that the dragons can step outside there individualistic nature in this instance to from a bond in hopes of something greater. Even if the chromatic and metallic form two separate nations making it three total. We still have two full blown kingdoms of dragons living amongest each other doing something thats never truly been done before by dragons. Which causes me to think that the only true infighting will be among the chromatic dragons with there nation resembling some thing close to that of drow society. I can see the metallic and giants forging a truce of sorts. And if there was a red powerful enough to cow all the others into submission the chromatic nation mite not be as easily defeated as every one seems to think. What I'm asking for here is not a dozen reasons why it could never work but for all of us to think outside the box and then figure out what you think mite happen if it did work. a powerful red would still have to deal with at least one nearly-as-powerful gold... I still say the smaller races would win i mean unless there is nothing left in the world then other fractions are going to take notice. Cult of the dragon anyone? and as i have said before one circle of high elf wizards can easily crush a flight or two of dragons. baring that in a one on one giants all the way its a birth rate issue, dragons cant keep pace with giants. just because i don't want to find my MM at the moment, how many in a flight?
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:52 am
Orion Daermon Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides Tsukikage Knight not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number. The both of you make very fine points but still the title is nations at war so we are assuming that the dragons can step outside there individualistic nature in this instance to from a bond in hopes of something greater. Even if the chromatic and metallic form two separate nations making it three total. We still have two full blown kingdoms of dragons living amongest each other doing something thats never truly been done before by dragons. Which causes me to think that the only true infighting will be among the chromatic dragons with there nation resembling some thing close to that of drow society. I can see the metallic and giants forging a truce of sorts. And if there was a red powerful enough to cow all the others into submission the chromatic nation mite not be as easily defeated as every one seems to think. What I'm asking for here is not a dozen reasons why it could never work but for all of us to think outside the box and then figure out what you think mite happen if it did work. a powerful red would still have to deal with at least one nearly-as-powerful gold... I still say the smaller races would win i mean unless there is nothing left in the world then other fractions are going to take notice. Cult of the dragon anyone? and as i have said before one circle of high elf wizards can easily crush a flight or two of dragons. baring that in a one on one giants all the way its a birth rate issue, dragons cant keep pace with giants. just because i don't want to find my MM at the moment, how many in a flight? actually i was going off of the actions from the book "evermeet" and i believe it was a rage of dragons that circle smashed not a flight but you get the idea.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:05 pm
Dragons are part of the Creator races they ruled the world until the Elven High mages created the Rage to cause Dragons to lose their ability to cohesivelly control their kingdoms so if the rage was removed then the dragons would win against Giants but other than that the Giants would win. So if we go as dragons should be without a Mythal controling them then the Dragons will win always
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