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I suggested the whole Private guild thing a while back in a thread in Crew. But whatever.

I'll put more later when I get back from dinner. lulz

This is sad, it really is...

I mean, on one hand, we have the troublemakers who have, well, been up to no good. Breaking rules, hating on people, and whatnot... and it is a problem that needs to be corrected...

On the other hand, an extreme solution makes it hard for the people who actually want to do things right... it kills the joy, so to speak, even MORE so than the troublemakers can, because it can make the people who are trying to do the right thing feel guilty.

I mean, yes, something has to be done; however, I don't really think that the "mass banning" is really going to do anything to affect the mentality of the rule breakers... You can't do it forever (if you try, people will "come back together" somewhere else), and anything less resolute will probably not be able to bring the fact home that they need to stop. The ONLY way that rule breakers are going to be changed, is if they are singly called out, and nailed for their actions... which is hard.

As for the whole "crew" thing... I will freely admit that I have no idea of the full range of problems that the crew has dealt with. I'm pretty sure that "those in power" so to speak, are out for everyone's best interests; unlike bigger "organizations" the crew is actually a part of us, and has to feel the effects of their actions. To restate it, if the crew is bad, we have no one to blame but ourselves, however, it is of my opinion that the crew has been doing a pretty good job.

However, for the "positions" that are now open, I'd like to openly suggest right now, that the elections be "blind" in at least one form. One, we should NOT be able to see each other's votes. Period. It leads to sheeping of more popular individuals (not saying that popular individuals can't do the job, however, the people voting NEED to think about whom they are voting for, and not being able to see the "sheep" is a great encouragement for that)... also, it MAY be a good idea that instead of names being put up, accomplishments and descriptions of people being voted for are placed up to be voted on instead... It forces people to read, and to choose who they feel would be good.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not saying this because things have been bad in the past (as I said before, I think our crew is doing a good job), I only wish to see things get better for the future... ^_^

And one more thing before Sibby finally shuts up... I just want everyone to know that although I may be opposed to Nymmie's actions now (and potentially actions by her and the crew in the future), I do want to say that I am glad that something is being done. It's one thing to say that there's a problem and you don't know what to do, and it's another thing entirely to say that although you don't know what to do, you're going to at least try to fix the problems at hand. I only wish to caution those in power now, and in power in the future, that it's always a good idea to really think things through. Think it through, and try to do what's right, and no one will have a right to complain, and it'll work out eventually in the end... n_n

I am shocked and appalled by the behavior demonstrated by some of my fellow Sniper Gamers. I can't believe that... OK, I'm over THAT.

Yeah, sorry about Padme and her whole "somebody got on to the GM account and took the names". BUT, she has pretty much killed off any case she had for herself. She has no reason to sit around and complain about people doing that since, according to certain reliable sources, she has done the same thing in the past.

Plus, it was a little careless (not to say dumb, because THAT would be mean, but it is what I would epext somebody would say to me... ACTUALLY, I would have hoped for stupid, but sexy beast can't choosers.) to not change the password on that account.

I mean, she found the password IN crew. And she KNEW that she had been in crew before, when she WASN'T a crew member. And she let Eikichi go on her account and look at crew also, apparently, unless she took the screencap and then showed it to him, which just seems like a waste of her life. Back to the point, she knew that people who aren't crew members have access to the subforum. SO, it's only common sense to think that other people could find out the password.

And about the guild closing, Nymphie KNOWS it pains me to say this, but it just doesn't seem right. You assume that everyone is like you, and that everyone will react the same way you hope you would in the situation, but, yeah no. This is High School Fugde Tracks heart . Reprimanding everyone will NEVER get anything solved, I mean, you MIGHT catch the people who did it. But then what? You think the people in their clique will be all "good for you Nymphie". NO, they will probably be 10 times the amount of jerk/a**/douchebag as the person you caught in the begining. So you will ban them all, and then, people will say you're abusing your power, have secret meetings and then kick you out like Mr. Brown. (For the people who don't roll in the D-Block, Mr. Brown was our principal for the first part of senior year. He got on peoples nerves, the teachers had a secret meeting after school. Since it was secret the students all naturally knew about it. And a couple of weeks after that he was fired.)

tl;dr version, Padme needs to stop complaining, cuz everything is her own fault. And closing the guild will accomplish... not a lot.

YES, that was a serious rant, so I think Padme needs to run around with underwear on her head to balance it all out.

Well, I just spent a good half hour reading up on past posts today, since yesterday I was all tl;dr and just wanted to rant.

I find this whole closing thing silly. Mainly because I'm not one to be part of this whole drama thing. All closing the guild did for me was disconnect me from the people I know only to have to find other ways around the guild to get to them.

I don't honestly see what closing the guild for 3 days will do. We close it and reopen it and, MAGICALLY OUR PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED. Haha. Get real.




I don't really have much more I want to say, other than a suggestion.

If we want to pretend the guild is a democracy, why do we have a Crew forum? Half the decisions about the guild as to the people and what they do, are made in there. It may cause more unneeded fire, but I say "Why have a Crew Forum?" Before we pretend this is a democracy, you need to have other people, not just crew, put their vote in. On things OTHER than just "Who's gonna be the person to be given the power to write paragraphs of text about who is out of the game and who's still in?"

I think a better idea would be having the crew forum be public but agaibnst the rules and worthy of a ban if a non-crew/VC/C posts in it. I have never liked private crew forums. It makes it so you have no way of knowing what the people with power over you are planning and doing until they think you should know.

Also, instead of electing new crew to fill positions, I think the whole crew should be scraped and new ones voted in. Then if the public believes that the crew members who are in right now are doing a good job they'll get their position back and it also gives everyone an equal chance.

Also, @Rift - Something like that happened when I was in grade 2, cept it was the whole school, no recess and staying in classroom at lunch cause someone had wrote "p***s" across banner in sharpie. (School was grade 0-6)And they never found out who did it.

tl;dr
Private crew forum sucks.
Scrap crew and start yearly (or bi-yearly?) elections for crew positions.
kids are like /b/tards, they do it for the lulz.

Still, How does closing a guild for 3 Days stop harassment?

Please tell me this.

It's not like closing down the guild will stop them. It just shows them they have the power to kill everyone's fun. THEIR ENTIRE PURPOSE.

And mind filling me in on this failed democracy? I never even saw it start.

But who is to say the people doing it CARE?



Okay, fine. I'll say this since its not really being understood or listened to. I agree with Eikichi on this point. All Crew gone, Public Crew forum. That may help with the bias cause then you can't say "Let's think of reasons why this person can't be crew" without everyone seeing. I think his posting of that screenshot was reasonable, even if drama inducing.



Again, what if the kid cares more about the candy then the class, and since no body knows, he doesn't sweat about everyone staring at them?

The current situation is more like: There are murderers on the loose. They're hurting people. The police aren't finding enough evidence to go on. You, being the police, just decide to arrest everyone instead, hoping a night or two in jail will make them stop.



Okay, if we're not a democracy, what are we? A dictatorship under the iron fist of Kim Jong Nym-Il?