Welcome to Gaia! ::

IMAGINE - The Fantasy Guild

Back to Guilds

This guild is intended for those who have a love of the fantasy genre, perhaps a growing interest in it, and for those who write in it. 

Tags: Fantasy, Writing, RPGs, Magic, Myth 

Reply Historical Archives
HMS Victory, the Battle of Trafalgar & Admiral Lord Nelson Goto Page: [] [<] 1 2 3 ... 4 5 [>] [»|]

Quick Reply

Enter both words below, separated by a space:

Can't read the text? Click here

Submit

DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:02 pm


Ok guys, here's the youtube video of HMS Victory I made - HMS Victory (Youtube)
It's also on my Gaia profile.

I put the song "Amaranth" with it because, well, read the words to the song...


DM_Melkhar
Amaranth

Baptised with a perfect name
The doubting one by heart
Alone without himself

War between him and the day
Need someone to blame
In the end, little he can do alone

You believe but what you see
You receive but what you give

Caress the one, the Never-Fading
Rain in your heart - the tears of snow-white sorrow
Caress the one, the hiding amaranth
In a land of the daybreak

Apart from the wandering pack
In this brief flight of time we reach
For the ones, whoever dare

You believe but what you see
You receive but what you give

Caress the one, the Never-Fading
Rain in your heart - the tears of snow-white sorrow
Caress the one, the hiding amaranth
In a land of the daybreak

Reaching, searching for something untouched
Hearing voices of the Never-Fading calling

Caress the one, the Never-Fading
Rain in your heart - the tears of snow-white sorrow
Caress the one, the hiding amaranth
In a land of the daybreak


An amaranth is a plant that has never-fading leaves and blooms, so essentially it portrays immortality. HMS Victory is a preserved piece of history that represents Britain in a very big way. She IS baptised with a perfect name, for she won the Battle of Trafalgar with Horatio Nelson as her Admiral. She is the oldest commissioned warship in Britain, and I think also the world. The naval officers hold meetings within her.

When I was there, I felt something of the men that lived and died on board her, and I also felt something of Nelson himself. The photographs depict not only the outside of the ship, but much of her interior as well. For example, the song is basically about war and immortality, and the pictures of what HMS Victory really is are apparent with the gun decks and grand magazine where all the gunpowder is stored.

The song has a very reminiscent feel to it, and it heightens the respect that HMS Victory truly deserves. I think, regardless of it being only a slideshow, it's a powerful video with that song as its backing. It stirs up a very reverent sense of respect in me, and also a feeling of longing because now I simply want to be near her whenever I can be. I am sentimental about her, I know.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:14 am


I absolutely love that song--and the pictures are quite stunning! This is a really nice video show! Thank you for making it--I think more people should take an interest in history like this.

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:35 pm


Thanks for the compliment Jasta. I think people should take more interest also. Many do respect and love her, but I don't think many others do as much as myself. I almost had tears in my eyes when I had to leave her behind and come back home to Norfolk. Some may call me sad, but I really do feel that much of a connection with her.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:30 am


Please rate the video, and make a comment if you want.
It's had a good few watches but not many ratings so far.

DM_Melkhar
Captain


JastaElf
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:32 am


I have felt a similar sorrow when visiting various battlefields from the American Civil War (known where I live, in the "invaded territory," as the War Between the States...)--right up to the reluctance to leave the area. I think such things are an indication of how strongly the past clings to our eidetic memory.

I saw a programme on our History Channel where they digitally re-created the battle of Trafalgar, and unpacked it from a study standpoint--both sides' tactics and strategies discussed, outcome and movement hour by hour... there was a whole series, all excellent, but that particular episode just riveted me. I really do need to get over there, visit the Victory, and see what happens when I do.

I'll go back and re-view, and leave a comment and rating.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:57 am


Thanks for the rating and comment Jasta. I know it's just a slideshow, but it has an impact for me. Maybe I'll gather some more pictures next time and make another one, and add some text possibly - with the same song.

I have such reverence for Victory, I simply don't understand why. Just standing before her stirs something up inside me so powerful I simply don't want to leave her. You know when something means so much to you that you touch it and feel things, and just feel so overwhelmed? It's like that.
Sometimes it happens to people when they've just bought a new home, they touch everything outside and inside and feel something really strong. It's like that for me with her.

Don't forget next week though! Sunday the 21st October. It's the anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar. If only I could stand before Victory on that day...alas. As it's the anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, it's also the anniversary of Lord Nelson's death (not to mention it's also my nan's birthday ^_^). That's a special day for me.

DM_Melkhar
Captain


JastaElf
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:46 pm


*smiles* It's also my wedding anniversary... we chose the date *because* of Trafalgar, figuring we'd never have trouble remembering the date that way.

Why yes, we ARE history geeks... smile

With your strong ties to the ship and the man, I really feel there's a reincarnation thing going on here. Either that or you are incredibly sensitive to the energies surrounding both Nelson and his ship... very cool, actually. And I say that with all respect!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:26 am


As a Christian, I don't believe in reincarnation in that sense (as mentioned in the past life regression thread), but I definitely think there's something there. Horatio Nelson was from Norfolk, where I am from and where I still live. There might be a chance that I am related in some way, I don't know. My ex (LazarusOwenhart) said that his adoptive family MIGHT be related to Nelson somehow, but it's never been proven.

I'd sure love it if I was related to the man himself in some way. That'd be amazing!

When you mention reincarnation though, I do have that scepticism there. I believe that our souls are 100% individual, but that memories and strong emotions continue on throughout the ages. It's something that baffles me to be honest.

Rather than just continuing the conversation as we are, why don't we talk more in-depth about: a.) HMS Victory, b.) the Battle of Trafalgar, and c.) Lord Nelson. Anything about the topics is welcome, but I think we need to delve deeper.

DM_Melkhar
Captain


JastaElf
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:45 am


Fair enough!

What do you think of Nelson's tactical inorthodoxy? Standard mode was to attack in a single line, which has its good points... but Nelson pretty much re-invented naval orthodoxy when he had his people attack in two lines, deliberately severing the enemy order of battle from the start, and then doubling around behind them to take them out. He also took the perfectly splendid and kind of basic notion of painting all HIS ships in that chequered pattern so he could tell his own ships from everyone else's... that seems like a no-brainer now, but back then everyone was stunned. smile

Also, I found this online several years ago--and as a Christian myself (I'm actually a priest to a small congregation here in Virginia, in addition to my "day job"...) I found it so cool that I have kept it hanging over my desk:

May the Great God, whom I worship, grant to my Country and for the benefit of Europe in general, a great and glorious victory: and may no misconduct, in any one, tarnish it: and may humanity after victory be the predominant feature in the British fleet.

For myself individually, I commit my life to Him who made me and may His blessing light upon my endeavours for serving my Country faithfully.

To Him I resign myself and the just cause which is entrusted to me to Defend.

Amen, Amen, Amen

Isn't that neat?? Shows that he might have had a premonition, too...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:51 am


Also, I have this in my university folder: a pic of the naval signal flags that were flown from Victory's masts that day:

"England Expects Every Man to do his Duty"


User Image

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:18 am


I think that prayer is the best I have ever read next to the Lord's Prayer. I have it on an engraved piece of oak salvaged from HMS Victory sitting in my room. It cost me £49.95 which is about $101.59 I think (according to XE.com). I bought it at the historic dockyard. So, I own a piece of that ship. ^_^'

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.

I think this is the tactic you're on about right?

I didn't know Victory flew so many flags that day though! I must read the book that a friend bought me for my birthday called "Nelson's Battles."
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:04 am


Absolutely--that is exactly the tactic I mean. It was considered positively the wrong thing to do back in his day--until he did it and succeeded so brilliantly. I only wish he could have lived to see the fruit of his labours... but they do say every great victory requires an equally great sacrifice.

Nelson's Battles -- is that the Oliver Warner book? It's very good. There's another one with nearly the same title, called Nelson's Battles: The Art of Victory in the Age of Sail, by Nicholas Tracy; that's a hardcover and harder than heck to find any more, as it was published in 1996 and collectors tend to snap them up. WELL worth the effort to find, but if that's the one you already have, you're one lucky stiff. *grins*

May I also recommend:

Decision At Trafalgar, by Dudley Pope (published in 1999 and a little hard to find, but worth the effort)
Nelson's Trafalgar: The Battle That Changed the World, by Roy Adkins
and a REALLY good work:
Nelson's Trafalgar Captains and Their Battles. by T Heathcote

The last two were published in 2005 for the 200th anniversary year, and are both really quite good.

And can I just say, I'm delighted (and jealous! *g*) that you got a piece of the Victory--but how very cool!!! And from your pics, it looks as if they're displaying Victory with her Battle Day signal in place--unless my eyes are off, which could entirely be possible. *grins*

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:44 am


Yeah that's the book. I just need to find the time to read it to be honest! Well, it's not that I haven't got the time right now, it's more that I get caught up doing other things or end up not being in the frame of mind to get engrossed in a book.

You know, seeing photographs of Victory is one thing, but seeing her for real is something else entirely. What I saw inside her in Portsmouth just took my breath away. Nobody would have noticed it, but it did. I was 100% awestruck. That's one reason why I made the video in the way I did; no words, just the photographs with "Amaranth" as the backing music.

Not the time we were down there, but when my dad visited Victory goodness knows how many years ago (before I was born), he tripped over the spot where Nelson fell. When the tour guide said "here is where Nelson fell", my dad said "I'm not bloody surprised, I almost did." -_-'
That's his sense of humour for you.

The timber used to build Victory was seasoned for 14 years before it was used, and to begin with there were 250 men employed in her construction in one way or another. On Friday 8th May 1778 she went to sea for the first time.

Look up on Google maps, Norwich, Norfolk (UK) and Burnham Thorpe, Norfolk (UK). At the top of the screen, there's an option for getting directions. If you get directions from Norwich to Burnham Thorpe, it'll show you how far it is from pretty much where I live to where Nelson was born and raised. He was born on 29th September 1758. I think it's approximately 40 miles from me, which is roughly 45 minute's drive.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:45 pm


Tomorrow - The 202nd Anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar and Nelson's death.

POST darnit.

DM_Melkhar
Captain


DM_Melkhar
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:02 am


Today is the day!

The 202nd Anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar!
Reply
Historical Archives

Goto Page: [] [<] 1 2 3 ... 4 5 [>] [»|]
 
Manage Your Items
Other Stuff
Get GCash
Offers
Get Items
More Items
Where Everyone Hangs Out
Other Community Areas
Virtual Spaces
Fun Stuff
Gaia's Games
Mini-Games
Play with GCash
Play with Platinum