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 Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:26 pm
I forgot to get back to you on this thread. Sure you could get a blood test like me to find out, but another way is to do a psycological test I admit that one is kinda phoney, but there are other giant 200-300 question tests out there and I really don't want to bum you guys out by putting down a exasperating test.
It does have its faults and the sheer arrogance of the whole lot is crazy and it does give folks a big head. I admit the test I posted did seem rigged. That's not the indigo's fault. it's the people running those websites. If in fact you go to an indigo run website then you see a whole bunch of peaceful stuff and a whole bunch of stuff sometimes. although it is still a bit stuffy, but It never says that indigos are better than normys it just says that every human has the capacity to enter this state of mind and everyone eventually will. then all known as indigos will be normal.
believe what you will I'm just putting it out there. The tests though have nothing to do with you being an indigo or not in my opinion. then some 2012 stuff got in there.... I personally think that with the type of training intended for indigos anyone could have the same effects thus rendering the title indigo useless.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:11 am
Why did you post the test if you didn't believe in it? You didn't say it was just for fun or anything, you said it was an indigo test.
Could you answer my question, at least? What is an indigo child? Please give me a definition I can use to say "All people with this are Indigo and all people without these or with these different characteristics instead are not Indigo."
I'm sorry, but I don't think many of us take this seriously.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:16 am
Tetraya I forgot to get back to you on this thread. Sure you could get a blood test like me to find out, but another way is to do a psycological test I admit that one is kinda phoney, but there are other giant 200-300 question tests out there and I really don't want to bum you guys out by putting down a exasperating test. It does have its faults and the sheer arrogance of the whole lot is crazy and it does give folks a big head. I admit the test I posted did seem rigged. That's not the indigo's fault. it's the people running those websites. If in fact you go to an indigo run website then you see a whole bunch of peaceful stuff and a whole bunch of stuff sometimes. although it is still a bit stuffy, but It never says that indigos are better than normys it just says that every human has the capacity to enter this state of mind and everyone eventually will. then all known as indigos will be normal. believe what you will I'm just putting it out there. The tests though have nothing to do with you being an indigo or not in my opinion. then some 2012 stuff got in there.... I personally think that with the type of training intended for indigos anyone could have the same effects thus rendering the title indigo useless. Ties in two nice theories in the magickal community -- 2012, and the mass psychic evolution or whatever you want to call it. Suffice to say, the greatest changes in the world were never predicted.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:02 pm
Obscurus BUT THE EXTRA DNA IS ASTRAL DNA. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME!!!! crying Indigo/star/whatever children, to me, seems like just a way for yuppies to say that their kids are special, and as an excuse to be lax on parenting, discipline, and medical treatment. If they have perfect DNA, wouldn't they never develop any sort of genetic disease, or have no genetic predispositions for disease? What exactly is meant by "perfect DNA"? I've read stuff on the internet before about "activating dormant DNA" through certain types of meditations and stuff. According to those sources, anyone can achieve this "perfect DNA" assuming that perfect amounts to having all of your DNA, corporeal and etheric, active. If that's the case, then just because an indigo was born that way it makes them special, even though everyone on the planet could achieve the same pompous, self-centered attitude? No wonder the world is so ******** up. If anyone can explain any of this to me, then please do, but I'm feeling like I'd have to read a Llewellyn book on it in order to be tricked into believing it. /harhar Everything about your post is right, I am just going to elaborate on it. Fact is, if all humanity can be traced back through mitochondrial DNA patterns to one human female who lived over 80,000 years ago in Africa (S. Oppenheimer - Out of Eden 2003) and the Human Genome project is now completed (R. Lewontin - It Ain't Necessarily So: The Dream of the Human Genome and Other Illusions) meaning that any so called "perfect DNA" would be identified without question, "star people/indigo children" would be able to have infallible scientific data to document their existence. Which they don't. All this talk about "latent DNA" is bullshit. DNA is NOT an active compound in the body. DNA is the LEAST REACTIVE COMPONENT IN THE MAKEUP OF A HUMAN. It is NOT changed, it is NOT altered, it is READ in order to make proteins. (See Lewontin for the full explanation. He's a geneticist.) These proteins determine what we look like, the DNA is just the recipe book. So what does this mean? Well it means that the idea of "latent DNA" is an armchair geneticist theory. It's cooked up by uneducated spiritualists who are looking for a scientific explanation to an idea of theirs to make it more plausible. I'm not saying that spiritualism has no scientific basis. I am saying that this particular item has no scientific basis because it is thought up by someone who knows nothing about human science except that which they have read in National Geographic.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:06 pm
Tetraya I forgot to get back to you on this thread. Sure you could get a blood test like me to find out, but another way is to do a psycological test I admit that one is kinda phoney, but there are other giant 200-300 question tests out there and I really don't want to bum you guys out by putting down a exasperating test. It does have its faults and the sheer arrogance of the whole lot is crazy and it does give folks a big head. I admit the test I posted did seem rigged. That's not the indigo's fault. it's the people running those websites. If in fact you go to an indigo run website then you see a whole bunch of peaceful stuff and a whole bunch of stuff sometimes. although it is still a bit stuffy, but It never says that indigos are better than normys it just says that every human has the capacity to enter this state of mind and everyone eventually will. then all known as indigos will be normal. believe what you will I'm just putting it out there. The tests though have nothing to do with you being an indigo or not in my opinion. then some 2012 stuff got in there.... I personally think that with the type of training intended for indigos anyone could have the same effects thus rendering the title indigo useless. If the Indigo Community has biological evidence for their existence I want to see these claims supported by a geneticist who didn't gain their PhD in a mini-mall. No 200-300 question test can prove what your DNA is, it can only prove what your thought processes are. And don't try and tell me all thought is linked to DNA. It isn't. Take a Chinese child and raise them in Western society and they won't have a ******** gene to make them use chopsticks. Almost all human action outside of basic survival and procreation is not dependent on biology, making a SOCIAL measurement of a supposed biological entity absolutely IRRELEVENT. As for the test you posted? Sounds like you're trying to worm out of being associated with a crummy piece of "evidence"
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:51 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Tetraya I forgot to get back to you on this thread. Sure you could get a blood test like me to find out, but another way is to do a psycological test I admit that one is kinda phoney, but there are other giant 200-300 question tests out there and I really don't want to bum you guys out by putting down a exasperating test. It does have its faults and the sheer arrogance of the whole lot is crazy and it does give folks a big head. I admit the test I posted did seem rigged. That's not the indigo's fault. it's the people running those websites. If in fact you go to an indigo run website then you see a whole bunch of peaceful stuff and a whole bunch of stuff sometimes. although it is still a bit stuffy, but It never says that indigos are better than normys it just says that every human has the capacity to enter this state of mind and everyone eventually will. then all known as indigos will be normal. believe what you will I'm just putting it out there. The tests though have nothing to do with you being an indigo or not in my opinion. then some 2012 stuff got in there.... I personally think that with the type of training intended for indigos anyone could have the same effects thus rendering the title indigo useless. If the Indigo Community has biological evidence for their existence I want to see these claims supported by a geneticist who didn't gain their PhD in a mini-mall. No 200-300 question test can prove what your DNA is, it can only prove what your thought processes are. And don't try and tell me all thought is linked to DNA. It isn't. Take a Chinese child and raise them in Western society and they won't have a ******** gene to make them use chopsticks. Almost all human action outside of basic survival and procreation is not dependent on biology, making a SOCIAL measurement of a supposed biological entity absolutely IRRELEVENT. As for the test you posted? Sounds like you're trying to worm out of being associated with a crummy piece of "evidence"
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:01 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Tetraya I forgot to get back to you on this thread. Sure you could get a blood test like me to find out, but another way is to do a psycological test I admit that one is kinda phoney, but there are other giant 200-300 question tests out there and I really don't want to bum you guys out by putting down a exasperating test. It does have its faults and the sheer arrogance of the whole lot is crazy and it does give folks a big head. I admit the test I posted did seem rigged. That's not the indigo's fault. it's the people running those websites. If in fact you go to an indigo run website then you see a whole bunch of peaceful stuff and a whole bunch of stuff sometimes. although it is still a bit stuffy, but It never says that indigos are better than normys it just says that every human has the capacity to enter this state of mind and everyone eventually will. then all known as indigos will be normal. believe what you will I'm just putting it out there. The tests though have nothing to do with you being an indigo or not in my opinion. then some 2012 stuff got in there.... I personally think that with the type of training intended for indigos anyone could have the same effects thus rendering the title indigo useless. If the Indigo Community has biological evidence for their existence I want to see these claims supported by a geneticist who didn't gain their PhD in a mini-mall. No 200-300 question test can prove what your DNA is, it can only prove what your thought processes are. And don't try and tell me all thought is linked to DNA. It isn't. Take a Chinese child and raise them in Western society and they won't have a ******** gene to make them use chopsticks. Almost all human action outside of basic survival and procreation is not dependent on biology, making a SOCIAL measurement of a supposed biological entity absolutely IRRELEVENT. As for the test you posted? Sounds like you're trying to worm out of being associated with a crummy piece of "evidence" Look up psychogenetics or I guess it's now behavioural genetics. essentially is says that people from a specific generation or gene pool will have similar choices. I believe one article theorised that the cause for a person's problem solving method lied in genetics and such things were the cause for war. Bullshit or not that is your choice. Now If you want to be skeptic go to http://www.skepticreport.com/newage/indigoblues.htm and see everything paranormal and otherwise be cleverly disproven. Although this also attempts to disprove things like auras and stuff. Personally I believe that we could debate this forever. I don't particularly believe or disbelieve in the existence of indigos. But I am however intrigued by the conversation that would arise from such a concept, which is mostly why I put it here. In my belief. Under no circumstance at all would a person have "perfect DNA" since humans are constantly evolving there should be small chages happening from generation to generation. But then while we're talking we could always take the extreme scientific approach and attack things such as reincarnation or the soul even and also disprove astral projection on the basis or a total sensory hallucination. We COULD disprove telepathy or telekinesis on the basis of there is no foolproof scientific explanation or sheer luck or something. Can science explain everything? Can it prove something false on the basis of lck of immmediate evidence? let's save those debates for later and stick to the subject of psychogenetics or behavioural genetics. Although in my personal belief I would say that If I could steal the term indigo from its intended explanation and psycho tests and use it as an explanation for psychically adept kids. I definitely believe in that. I can honestly say I could believe that it has something to do with genetics that kids are popping up with advanced psychic powers in the same way that inbred children are popping up with disabilities. And I believe that it COULD be the beginning of a new era, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on what the kids themselves want to do with the future. It could turn out that they wish to bring forth a new era of psychic tyranny, in which case we are screwed. believe what you will.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:59 pm
Tetraya Look up psychogenetics or I guess it's now behavioural genetics. essentially is says that people from a specific generation or gene pool will have similar choices. I believe one article theorised that the cause for a person's problem solving method lied in genetics and such things were the cause for war. Bullshit or not that is your choice. Now If you want to be skeptic go to http://www.skepticreport.com/newage/indigoblues.htm and see everything paranormal and otherwise be cleverly disproven. Although this also attempts to disprove things like auras and stuff. Personally I believe that we could debate this forever. I don't particularly believe or disbelieve in the existence of indigos. But I am however intrigued by the conversation that would arise from such a concept, which is mostly why I put it here. In my belief. Under no circumstance at all would a person have "perfect DNA" since humans are constantly evolving there should be small chages happening from generation to generation. But then while we're talking we could always take the extreme scientific approach and attack things such as reincarnation or the soul even and also disprove astral projection on the basis or a total sensory hallucination. We COULD disprove telepathy or telekinesis on the basis of there is no foolproof scientific explanation or sheer luck or something. Can science explain everything? Can it prove something false on the basis of lck of immmediate evidence? let's save those debates for later and stick to the subject of psychogenetics or behavioural genetics. Although in my personal belief I would say that If I could steal the term indigo from its intended explanation and psycho tests and use it as an explanation for psychically adept kids. I definitely believe in that. I can honestly say I could believe that it has something to do with genetics that kids are popping up with advanced psychic powers in the same way that inbred children are popping up with disabilities. And I believe that it COULD be the beginning of a new era, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on what the kids themselves want to do with the future. It could turn out that they wish to bring forth a new era of psychic tyranny, in which case we are screwed. believe what you will. I'm a Social Anthropology student myself, and I've already studied many areas that attribute behaviour to biology, namely evolutionary psychology. And guess what? They're unproven, quasi-scientific theories. Also, find me that article if you want me to believe it, but if problem solving was entirely linked to genetics then school would be useless. If people are inborn with certain learning characteristics then it'd be pointless sending certain types of people to school, which is utter shite. But the more I read about Indigos the more I have to laugh. An anthropological cover up? Oh good. A crackpot spiritualist theory wrapped in a government conspiracy novel. Right, then they'd have different, identifiable DNA. So, please. Provide proof for that theory. Don't bring astral projection and reincarnation into things, because they don't claim to have a biological basis. "Crystal Children" are supposedly different genetically. So if they are... prove it. Not only that, but there are no existing tests which can be used to prove the existence of things such as telekinesis or telepathy that couldn't simply have a skeptic dismiss them. But a DNA identifier? That's concrete evidence that Indigos supposedly have, and if they have this evidence, why are they pussyfooting around it? It'd be indesputable to even the most hardline scientists. If there is any Holy Grail of science today, it's genetics and DNA. If Indigos have their proof in that, why are they not using it? Because it's not there. If it's there, the human genome project would have identified it. But it hasn't. Why? I don't tear something down due to a lack of evidence. I tear something down when something claims to have viable evidence and doesn't supply it. There's a difference between having no evidence and claiming to have evidence and not supplying it. Okay, if there is a bunch of kids with increased psychic ability as a result of genetics, then why hasn't the Indigo community come together and gotten the test results? I'm sure they'd have more than enough money in donations. Secondly, I really don't believe Indigo kids have any "increased psychic power" in the eyes of anyone but themselves, their parents who want to feel special about their child, and in the eyes of other parents who want to feel special about their children also. So you're going to end on a conclusion of "Well, there's no proof in what I say, there's evidence against what I say too, so instead I will offer my opinion and the notion that we should be skeptical about just about everything before leaving you all sitting on the pseudo-philisophical question of 'believe what you will'."? I have to say I'm not impressed with anything you have said about this topic. You're ignoring a very pertinent fact and trying to cover it up with speculation and more questions. It's thus: if the Indigo community has a genetic difference to that of regular humans, then why do they not use genetic science to prove it?
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:08 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Tetraya Look up psychogenetics or I guess it's now behavioural genetics. essentially is says that people from a specific generation or gene pool will have similar choices. I believe one article theorised that the cause for a person's problem solving method lied in genetics and such things were the cause for war. Bullshit or not that is your choice. Now If you want to be skeptic go to http://www.skepticreport.com/newage/indigoblues.htm and see everything paranormal and otherwise be cleverly disproven. Although this also attempts to disprove things like auras and stuff. Personally I believe that we could debate this forever. I don't particularly believe or disbelieve in the existence of indigos. But I am however intrigued by the conversation that would arise from such a concept, which is mostly why I put it here. In my belief. Under no circumstance at all would a person have "perfect DNA" since humans are constantly evolving there should be small chages happening from generation to generation. But then while we're talking we could always take the extreme scientific approach and attack things such as reincarnation or the soul even and also disprove astral projection on the basis or a total sensory hallucination. We COULD disprove telepathy or telekinesis on the basis of there is no foolproof scientific explanation or sheer luck or something. Can science explain everything? Can it prove something false on the basis of lck of immmediate evidence? let's save those debates for later and stick to the subject of psychogenetics or behavioural genetics. Although in my personal belief I would say that If I could steal the term indigo from its intended explanation and psycho tests and use it as an explanation for psychically adept kids. I definitely believe in that. I can honestly say I could believe that it has something to do with genetics that kids are popping up with advanced psychic powers in the same way that inbred children are popping up with disabilities. And I believe that it COULD be the beginning of a new era, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on what the kids themselves want to do with the future. It could turn out that they wish to bring forth a new era of psychic tyranny, in which case we are screwed. believe what you will. I'm a Social Anthropology student myself, and I've already studied many areas that attribute behaviour to biology, namely evolutionary psychology. And guess what? They're unproven, quasi-scientific theories. Also, find me that article if you want me to believe it, but if problem solving was entirely linked to genetics then school would be useless. If people are inborn with certain learning characteristics then it'd be pointless sending certain types of people to school, which is utter shite. But the more I read about Indigos the more I have to laugh. An anthropological cover up? Oh good. A crackpot spiritualist theory wrapped in a government conspiracy novel. Right, then they'd have different, identifiable DNA. So, please. Provide proof for that theory. Don't bring astral projection and reincarnation into things, because they don't claim to have a biological basis. "Crystal Children" are supposedly different genetically. So if they are... prove it. Not only that, but there are no existing tests which can be used to prove the existence of things such as telekinesis or telepathy that couldn't simply have a skeptic dismiss them. But a DNA identifier? That's concrete evidence that Indigos supposedly have, and if they have this evidence, why are they pussyfooting around it? It'd be indesputable to even the most hardline scientists. If there is any Holy Grail of science today, it's genetics and DNA. If Indigos have their proof in that, why are they not using it? Because it's not there. If it's there, the human genome project would have identified it. But it hasn't. Why? I don't tear something down due to a lack of evidence. I tear something down when something claims to have viable evidence and doesn't supply it. There's a difference between having no evidence and claiming to have evidence and not supplying it. Okay, if there is a bunch of kids with increased psychic ability as a result of genetics, then why hasn't the Indigo community come together and gotten the test results? I'm sure they'd have more than enough money in donations. Secondly, I really don't believe Indigo kids have any "increased psychic power" in the eyes of anyone but themselves, their parents who want to feel special about their child, and in the eyes of other parents who want to feel special about their children also. So you're going to end on a conclusion of "Well, there's no proof in what I say, there's evidence against what I say too, so instead I will offer my opinion and the notion that we should be skeptical about just about everything before leaving you all sitting on the pseudo-philisophical question of 'believe what you will'."? I have to say I'm not impressed with anything you have said about this topic. You're ignoring a very pertinent fact and trying to cover it up with speculation and more questions. It's thus: if the Indigo community has a genetic difference to that of regular humans, then why do they not use genetic science to prove it? That's a good point. A really good point. Here's a few things to add they're not really good, but a few articles of psychogenetics. The truth is it all is unproven mainly because one really can decipher the human brain or everything that goes along with it. Human psychology is way too complex for anyone to undrestand perfectly because each one is different. http://www.cnsforum.com/imagebank/item/genetics_phobia/default.aspxThe existence of psychic power is unproven. The existence of indigo children is unproven. The influence of genetics on human behaviour is contemplated, but still unproven. This probably would disprove any and all evidence the indigo community might have. The evidence presented by the indigo community would have to prove the existence of psychic power and simultaneously prove the influence of genetics on human behaviour and then prove the influence of human behaviour on psychic power. Perhaps that's why they are hesitant to present their data. Perhaps it's because even if they do present their data, it would be insufficient. They couldn't prove psychic power with just DNA. They would also have to prove the change and difference from normal human DNA. Basically I'm just going off your argument here. Why they can't do this is beyond me. Either way they couldn't prove half of what they're talking about. I said "believe what you will" because I personally don't care what the heck you believe. And I really think it's useful to have some things to ponder. I don't believe in the indigos. I believe in psychic children. I do believe in psychic power, and I believe in varying degrees of human psychic development. The really focused hard-working spiritual kids are the real indigos. DNA proves nothing at this point in time.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:31 pm
Science and Psi/spirituality don't mix well unless you're; A: Fairly educated in both fields. B: A Targ. Or C: an aquaintance with a Targ.
In this guild, I ask, do not ever post something relating to science without a scientific backing. Too many lies spread in the fashion you state your post, research before posting, or post in the chatterbox section, please, thank you.
My inglish are no am good, mi tired... Sarry
(My fail English? That un-possible)
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:01 pm
LoBo_23 Science and Psi/spirituality don't mix well unless you're; A: Fairly educated in both fields. B: A Targ. Or C: an aquaintance with a Targ. In this guild, I ask, do not ever post something relating to science without a scientific backing. Too many lies spread in the fashion you state your post, research before posting, or post in the chatterbox section, please, thank you. My inglish are no am good, mi tired... Sarry (My fail English? That un-possible) .... what's a Targ? As for my argument about Indigo genetics, my idea was not of proving psychic ability. Mine was simply to make a biological screening of all supposed "indigo" or "psychically gifted" children, and then compare that with a biological screening of non-psychic children. From these tests you would be able to identify a genetic link shared by all indigo children that is lacking in all non-psychic children. Because it's perfectly possible to do that. If a certain community is supposed to own a special gene, then that gene could be identified and shown to not be present in all humans, especially if this gene creates a certain gift.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:39 am
Isn't this the stuff that Atomica or whatever was spouting off about?
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:28 pm
If an Indigo/Star/Crystal/Moonbeam child became a fluffy bunny, would the world explode?
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:50 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Tetraya Woops i neglected to give a brief explanation thanks for the pm I'm going to post the same thing here. An indigo child is basically a new generation of kids that have special traits caused by extra dna strands that normal humans don't have. The resulting effect is that the child grows up with a great understanding and a hyperintelligence. Adults may also be indigos but that is not as common. The indigo children have great artistic abilities as well as physical abilities. Their aura is usually a deep indigo hence the name. One of the most accurate ways of telling if one is an indigo teen or an indigo child with "perfect DNA" is with a simple 20 question psycological test. They are very rebellious and often act according to their own will without fear of punishment or otherwise. They are most often diagnosed with ADD or ADHD and their psychic abilities far outsoar the abilities of normal humans. Google it. Take the test. A psychologist test can't tell you anything about DNA structures. That's a load of horse s**t right there. Not to mention that you can create psychologist tests to catch a particular kind of person, no matter what the kind of person you want to catch. Plus, 20 questions is short by psychological evaluation standards. Meaning that I don't believe this gumph for one moment. Don't trust any of this psychological evidence. I bet they thought Freud was a brand of German sausage. There is no reason to trust any OK Cupid test, in my humble opinion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:29 pm
Does anyone have a link to one of those 200 to 300 question tests? I have a lot of time on my hands.
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