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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:00 pm
My statement was aimed at the totality of Richie's work, not just aimed at Homles - that is just his current work at the box office (as Avatar is Cameron's). I didn't dislike it completely, but I was not enthralled and disliked the plot and I have never been fond of Riche's style. I think my main problem is that I never viewed the original material as un-sexy; so a sexy amped up Jude Law!Watson isn't impressive in my eyes, it is just a obvious attempt to subtrovert a solid role from a older actor to a hawt one so the addition of kung-fu slow mo won't be full of wrinkly ugly.
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:33 pm
Yeah, get that young sex the ******** out of my Holmes.
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Linda Lee Danvers Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:55 pm
I think that'd be a valid argument if Downey or Law or McAdams were talentless pretty faces, but they aren't. They're all talented actors who played their roles well. Besides, with the exception of McAdams, they aren't even that young. At least, not in Hollywood terms.
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:40 pm
Ohmahgooooosh I'm not saying they are untalented and the film was horrible and I hate the shiny shmexy whoopla - I'm just saying I personally didn't need the characters to be upgraded to badassitude for it to work. Obviously Richie wanted to sex it up and bring the series to a modern audience so on so forth, and power to him. It can be the new Pirates. I just happen to like old Watson and arrogant cocaine using Holmes, that is just my personal preference - but I gave it a shot. I thought the character's essence where preserved well enough within the film, although of course they were overly simplified in many regards while expanded on exponentially in others - as is the nature of interpretation. One I don't prefer. Holmes gets points for not making me roll my eyes like Avatar did though.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:54 am
Ms Chastity Marks Jennifer's Body, Well I was interested in it the first Trailer and as more and more of the movie was shown in each trailer they had I lost interest. The Megan Fox hype seems to have gone dead with that. I enjoyed her character in Transformers, but that seems about it for me so far. Fox's role seems a bit too corny for me in Jennifer's Body. "I like girls too," made me roll my eyes. The only people who got what they were expecting out of Jennifer's Body are the fans of it's writer Diablo Cody, who took home an academy award for Juno and is the creator of the Emmy award winning TV series The United States of Tara. I don't say this out of any elitism or whatever as a fan of her work, but a reflection of just how goddamn poorly it was marketed.
Jennifer's Body is a satire of slasher flicks whose main objective is to reverse the classical gender roles of the genre. What the trailers don't tell you is that Jennifer is the victim of a satanic emo band who attempt to sacrifice her in a ritual to make them famous. As a result, she becomes a blood thirsty demon preying on her (male) classmates. The actual scene in the film where she does the whole "I go both ways," thing is an illustration of how Jennifer is unable to engage with another human being on any level other than the sexual. She plays that card in an attempt to turn the tables on Needy once she figures out what Jennifer is doing.Had no involvement whatsoever in Jennifer's Body.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:25 am
Ms. Karen Starr Had no involvement whatsoever in Jennifer's Body. He was a producer. It's no coincidence that half the supporting cast previously popped up in Juno and/or Thank You For Smoking. On paper, it looks like something I'd be absolutely interested in, but everything I've heard and seen in trailers makes me think otherwise. I'll get around to watching eventually.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:53 am
C'mon guys, stop ******** around. Guy Ritchie didn't make a Sherlock Holmes movie, he made Gotham By Gaslight. Bringing in Nightwing, Catwoman, and Ra's Al Ghul was a welcome change, in my mind.
I've been reading and hearing a few ridiculous things about the movie, as if people didn't understand that the point of the whole exercise was to come up with a new and unique approach or that writer/producer Lionel Wigram went so far as to commission a graphic novel in order to sweeten the pitch to Warner Brothers long before Ritchie got involved. Sherlock Holmes isn't a Guy Ritchie vehicle, it's a shared vision by fans of the original work who got together to put a new spin on it. It's almost as if no one remembers that Michael Caine/Ben Kingsley Sherlock Holmes movie.
One day recently, I talked to a guy at work who said he hated JJ Abrams' Star Trek because you can't see Vulcan from Delta Vega. Delta Vega is my new codeword for taking s**t way too ******** far and/or seriously.
I also have this problem with the suggestion that Guy Ritchie's visual style is somehow incompatible with making a film that took place during Victorian times. Sophia Copolla rode the fail train to Grand Fail Central when she made Marie Antoinette not because she tried a new angle at period, but because she's an idiot in general who does stupid things like cast Kirsten Dunst. No one worth listening to complained that Baz Luhrman's bizarre style was somehow inappropriate for Moulin Rouge, although a case could be made for Romeo and Juliet. Don't even get me started on Quentin Tarantino and Inglorious Basterds.
Making period films should not give you a free pass to be a lazy boring ******** of a director. Valkyrie was no one's favourite film.
Anyway, Ritchie isn't a hack. He's self indulgent. He makes the same damn kind of movie every time because that's the kind of movie he wants to make. That's why Sherlock Holmes and the upcoming Lobo are the first theatrical films he didn't write and direct himself. He made Swept Away as a very ill advised favor to his wife.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:23 am
Nick Joseph Fury He was a producer. It's no coincidence that half the supporting cast previously popped up in Juno and/or Thank You For Smoking. On paper, it looks like something I'd be absolutely interested in, but everything I've heard and seen in trailers makes me think otherwise. I'll get around to watching eventually. Hadn't noticed he produced, but that's a far more logistical than creative position. I've honestly found that it rarely really pays to focus on who produces a movie unless they have a very specific focus like Joel Silver, David Lynch, Luc Besson or Judd Apatow. Reitman doesn't have much producing experience outside projects he directed himself so it's hard to say what kind of influence he'd have over a production. You read about guys, screenwriters especially, that work on Joel Silver productions like Shane Black or the Wachowskis and it's very clear that he's got a very specific vision and formula that he works hard to get his directors and writers adhering to.
I don't know what Reitman's involvement was, but I can certainly say from talking to someone who worked on Jennifer's Body (I swear to God that at least a third of my customers work in the industry) that there were a lot of production issues including a battle over re-writes that delayed the release over six months. I swear to God, if I ever get into film I will do everything in my power to stay away from Fox.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:43 am
Ms. Karen Starr I will do everything in my power to stay away from Fox. One word: Motorcycles.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:31 am
Ms. Karen Starr The only people who got what they were expecting out of Jennifer's Body are the fans of it's writer Diablo Cody, who took home an academy award for Juno and is the creator of the Emmy award winning TV series The United States of Tara. I don't say this out of any elitism or whatever as a fan of her work, but a reflection of just how goddamn poorly it was marketed.
Jennifer's Body is a satire of slasher flicks whose main objective is to reverse the classical gender roles of the genre. What the trailers don't tell you is that Jennifer is the victim of a satanic emo band who attempt to sacrifice her in a ritual to make them famous. As a result, she becomes a blood thirsty demon preying on her (male) classmates. The actual scene in the film where she does the whole "I go both ways," thing is an illustration of how Jennifer is unable to engage with another human being on any level other than the sexual. She plays that card in an attempt to turn the tables on Needy once she figures out what Jennifer is doing. I myself don't really enjoy slash movies, comics I can read and enjoy. When I was younger I would sneak downstairs and watch slash films without anyone being the wiser, though now for some reason I shriek like a girly girly school chick and hide behind the nearest thing/person I can find.
The reverse of the classic gender roles is one of the main reason that I wanted to go see it. If that's the only reason 'Jennifer' said that in the trailer then I'll most likely pick it up just out of sheer curiousity. Though I'll most likely have to watch the dang thing more than once to get the full impact.
The satanic emo band I already knew about, I had a few conversations about the comic book with a few individuals before I saw the second trailer. My views on it was that they most likely warped the story so far off the comic bend that it was going to be something far from the reverse of the normal/classic gender vic in slash movies. Jennifer's Body is actually one of the trades on my list to read.
The Classic 'I'm a ditzy blond bimbo cheerleader with implants tripping over my feet as a killer comes at me at a very slow pace yet will inevitably catch me at the end of the scene/movie,' very much annoys me. And yet strangely at the same time I find it hilarious in some movies that over exaggerate it even more than my first statement in this paragraph. Jason X comes to mind the most, it was a horrid movie but I can't seem to not watch it. What with the camper girl program.
And Billy, I know what you mean. Not everyone likes the changes that can come from each views of how something should be or enjoy the smexing it up for the viewers. I enjoy the actors in that movie and will most likely enjoy it when I see it. But I can see your point of view.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:06 pm
Ms. Karen Starr Nick Joseph Fury He was a producer. It's no coincidence that half the supporting cast previously popped up in Juno and/or Thank You For Smoking. On paper, it looks like something I'd be absolutely interested in, but everything I've heard and seen in trailers makes me think otherwise. I'll get around to watching eventually. Hadn't noticed he produced, but that's a far more logistical than creative position. I've honestly found that it rarely really pays to focus on who produces a movie unless they have a very specific focus like Joel Silver, David Lynch, Luc Besson or Judd Apatow. Reitman doesn't have much producing experience outside projects he directed himself so it's hard to say what kind of influence he'd have over a production. You read about guys, screenwriters especially, that work on Joel Silver productions like Shane Black or the Wachowskis and it's very clear that he's got a very specific vision and formula that he works hard to get his directors and writers adhering to.Oh, of course. I'm not suggesting Reitman's involvement was anything more than logistical. But, as much acclaim as Juno brought him, I'd like to believe that he wouldn't blindly back Diablo Cody's follow-up without it having a decent script and what have you. There's just a lot of people involved whom I really like, so I'm hoping my misgivings about the movie are unfounded. Quote: (I swear to God that at least a third of my customers work in the industry) You're in Vancouver, right? Not surprising. Hell of a lot of things have been getting filmed there lately. The best I get around here is the spillover from Toronto. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:53 pm
Sadie_Voodoo Doll And Billy, I know what you mean. Not everyone likes the changes that can come from each views of how something should be or enjoy the smexing it up for the viewers. I enjoy the actors in that movie and will most likely enjoy it when I see it. But I can see your point of view. Thanks! I'm not trying to force my point of view but just trying to explain it from my personal standpoint; I'm not confused as to why the film was made how it was or what it's purpose was, and I accept it. Doesn't mean I have to like it. And "I have never been fond of Riche's style" doesn't mean "I can't believe he used this style for a 19th century period piece!" it means I don't like his style in really any of his films, whenever it is they take place.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:18 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:47 pm
New Super Mario Bros. Wii: 100% complete. In your FACE, 9-7.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:36 pm
Prince Ambrose Thanks! I'm not trying to force my point of view but just trying to explain it from my personal standpoint; I'm not confused as to why the film was made how it was or what it's purpose was, and I accept it. Doesn't mean I have to like it. And "I have never been fond of Riche's style" doesn't mean "I can't believe he used this style for a 19th century period piece!" it means I don't like his style in really any of his films, whenever it is they take place. No prob, hun. I found clerks boring while my friends were all obcessed with the dang thing. Conflicts of opinion happen all the time. I myself just sit back and enjoy a movie, I hardly ever really enjoy paying attention to whose behind it so i can't give an honest opinion on whoevers style I like.
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