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 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:11 pm
To be honest, I've never been able to go on a Walk For Israel. I've had eleven surgeries (yes, eleven, and no, we won't talk about what they were for), and this upcoming year will be the first time I've really felt like doing any extended walking. I do hope to eventually be in Israel during the week of the "walking" Torah portion. I'd also like to go for tree planting day in Israel sometime. Heck, I'd just like to go to Israel, period.
Oh, well. One foreign trip at a time. I'm going to Paris at the end of December to honor my father-in-law's 60th birthday. He wants the family to gather in Paris, and we all felt this was a good time for it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:38 pm
darkphoenix1247 Dis Domnu I'll use a line of thought given to me by an orthodox friend while debating this very issue. G-d has given mankind commandments to follow, but G-d also makes it so some people can not (physically, mentally, or spiritually) follow these commandments. There are men born without arms, who clearly can not wash their hands, or place Tefillin on himself. There are Jews born in remote regions where they have no hope of keeping kosher, or where it is dangerous to openly practice and so must not celebrate shabbat. And there are people born who do not believe their gender fits their sex, or who are attracted to people of the same sex, or any other of the many things that naturally make it hard, or even impossible, for a person to follow G-d's commandments. Are we/they (yes, I am one of them) going to suffer for eternity because of this? No, of course not. The main difference between our G-d, and the God of the Christians is that G-d forgives, God does not. Even IF G-d disagrees with our choices, we will be forgiven. That point aside, one must wonder if these things are really wrong, if G-d decided to place them in our lives in the first place. It's not as though we had a choice when we were born, so please don't even try the "free choice" line of BS. G-d made us the way we are, and you're going to sit there and tell G-d He made us wrong? That is probably one of the best arguments I've heard in a while; well-said. :3 Except careful of knocking the Christian god. xp Not knocking their god. Just pointing out a key difference in ideology. They can go to Hell for eternity, we can't.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:58 pm
Divash To be honest, I've never been able to go on a Walk For Israel. I've had eleven surgeries (yes, eleven, and no, we won't talk about what they were for), and this upcoming year will be the first time I've really felt like doing any extended walking. I do hope to eventually be in Israel during the week of the "walking" Torah portion. I'd also like to go for tree planting day in Israel sometime. Heck, I'd just like to go to Israel, period. Oh, well. One foreign trip at a time. I'm going to Paris at the end of December to honor my father-in-law's 60th birthday. He wants the family to gather in Paris, and we all felt this was a good time for it. You are certainly entitled to your privacy, and to take one foreign trip at a time! I want to do a lot of international travel myself. Israel and France (probably not Paris) are on the list along with a lot of other place. I have a world map in my room with dots on places I would like to visit eventually. It's a nifty thing to have, a map. 3nodding If you don't mind me asking, why Paris? Are your in-laws French or do they just enjoy Paris? I hear it's very easy to fall in love with.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:51 am
Why Paris? Honestly, I have no idea why, but my father-in-law and his wife (and his first wife, my bashert's mother, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) are completely enamoured of all things French. They love the language, they love the food, they love the culture, and they love the way the French hate Americans. I don't get it, myself, but we're going to honor him by going there. It'll be an adventure, at least, and I'm planning to spend at least a day wandering around to look at Parisian synagogues and mikvaot for the sake of my own enjoyment. Fortunately there are actually a pretty good number of kosher restaurants in Paris, and most of them aren't French food, so I'll be able to eat reasonably well. I know French food is supposed to be the bomb, but I've never really liked it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:57 pm
I totally agree. French food has never been my speed. When I went on this cruise I had snails and nearly vomited. I know that isn't the only french food out there, but other dishes I have had just haven't impressed me. I'm an Italian/German fan myself. (And the obvious, Chinese)
I would really love to do something like that, because I'm sure some of the buildings, synagogues, and things like that are absolutely beautiful. However, I've never really thought of France as a place with a lot of Jews. Of course when we were doing our unit on the Holocaust in American History I read one of many books about the struggle, and one was an account of a French town that took in a hoard of Jewish refugees. Some were French, some weren't. I guess when we think about Jewish culture it's normally presented as Eastern European...
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:13 am
German cooking = "If you can't shove it into an animal casing, you don't get to eat it."
At least that's how my family operated, rich bavarian ancestry.
BTW... I would like to install a new internet law... The Neufian Squeezls law of forum posting... as Number of posts increases towards infinity, the probability that LordNeuf and Kingpin will just start talking about food increases until the subject matter becomes food.
Look up Godwins law for a reference.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:13 pm
Sign me up in there. I generally bring things around to either Judaism or food, too, and we're already on Judaism. wink
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:48 pm
Eh. Things happen. Food is something everyone has in common. I mean, everyone has eaten the stuff at least once in their life if they are over the age of breast feeding.. It's the easiest thing to talk about, I guess.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:22 pm
We're kinda off topic here xd , so I'd suggest making a new thread and getting back on topic 3nodding .
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:35 am
Divash I highly recommend going to a showing of Trembling Before God, a documentary about homosexuality within the Orthodox world. Yes, there are gay Jews. Yes, there are gay Jewish clergy. Yes, it's possible for a gay person to have a close relationship with the Creator. Hashem's greatest gift is the ability to love.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:04 am
I believe that homosexuality should not be considered a problem within Synagogues or Temples.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:12 pm
What do you mean? Do you mean that you don't have a problem with it, and you don't think anyone else should have a problem with it either? Or do you mean that it wouldn't be a problem if it didn't exist or if people wouldn't talk about it in synagogue?
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:54 am
AngelofDeath22787 Divash I highly recommend going to a showing of Trembling Before God, a documentary about homosexuality within the Orthodox world. Yes, there are gay Jews. Yes, there are gay Jewish clergy. Yes, it's possible for a gay person to have a close relationship with the Creator. Hashem's greatest gift is the ability to love. I saw that movie. It was pretty good.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:08 pm
Macaroni Jesus AngelofDeath22787 Divash I highly recommend going to a showing of Trembling Before God, a documentary about homosexuality within the Orthodox world. Yes, there are gay Jews. Yes, there are gay Jewish clergy. Yes, it's possible for a gay person to have a close relationship with the Creator. Hashem's greatest gift is the ability to love. I saw that movie. It was pretty good. I havent. Someone once recommended it to me before though. I've never seen it anywhere.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:04 am
Benzino the Great Macaroni Jesus AngelofDeath22787 Divash I highly recommend going to a showing of Trembling Before God, a documentary about homosexuality within the Orthodox world. Yes, there are gay Jews. Yes, there are gay Jewish clergy. Yes, it's possible for a gay person to have a close relationship with the Creator. Hashem's greatest gift is the ability to love. I saw that movie. It was pretty good. I havent. Someone once recommended it to me before though. I've never seen it anywhere. I saw it on LOGO. I...frequent...that channel to say the least.
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