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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:25 pm

I think more people want to be reverted back to base class after games, if a second seal is used, so that's what I'll be doing. Second seals will be on the item pickup list as well as the visit list, so that they're more common to find.

Still need innate skills from people. If I don't get them before I'm ready to start the games, I'll just start and the skills can be given for next game.

The question about Annis being listed as a flying unit and Aruna and Ganon getting dragon typing is still up in the air. If Annis becomes flying, she'll get tantivy. If Aruna and Ganon get typed as dragon, they'll get a skill called dragonskin that halves die rolls unless the attack is made with thunder or a dragon slaying weapon. If these 3 get the typing, they'll get the weaknesses that come with it.

I'm thinking about incorporating the weapon triangle. Weapons with the advantage do +1 damage, weapons with the disadvantage do -1 damage. Too hard to remember? (Swords > Axes > Lances > Swords | Anima > Light > Dark > Anima)

Interested in supports? My first thoughts: too complicated. Disagree?

The custom growths are a hit. Do you think people should also get 5 custom base stats to put in?

Item info is updated. Any changes you think should be made? I'll also be adding some new ones.

Reevaluating laguz skills:
Manakete/Dragon
- Boon
- Dragonskin
Upon level 20: Ire

Taguel/Wolf/Cat/Tiger/Lion
- Quickclaw
- Tantivy
Upon level 20: Roar

Raven/Hawk
- Maelstrom
- Tantivy
Upon level 20: Shriek

I think laguz should have their range (and dragons their skin) as well as get an extra skill the same way other units get one when they promote.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:41 pm

Rath you've got Clara's skill and the justification for it?

Anyway I do want to mention adding in custom base stats does put a but more customization into our characters. Take Clara and Ziaram for example. They are both myrmidons. They are 2 different people thus they shouldn't be the same even from the start.

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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:55 pm

The custom base stats would be nice, as what Mel said in that all our units are unique and shouldn't be forced to start with the same stats. I also agree with the supports being too complicated unless we plan them out long beforehand and they would only last for the duration of the game I would think so it wouldn't be permanent and you'd be set with a limit to supports unless we go with the Awakening adaption to allow A rank with everyone. /shrug. Then I guess it wouldnt matter so much, but muh. I don't really see a need for it.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:53 pm

I'm okay with the triangle weapons. Love to put more damage to the enemy as well as having some disadvantage too. 3nodding

I have to agree with you and Shinon about the support. It's too complicated to put into the boardgame. Not only do we need to figure out which affinity gives boost to which stat, but we also need to figure out what is the limit of gaining the support as well as who to support. Although we can do the same as Awakening support, the number of turns is still the same as the others. Some people can support easily while others take forever. So to be quite fair, I will have to say no to support due to the complication it will need to put into the boardgame.

Yes on the custom base stats. I agree with what Melethia said, that everyone has an unique stat, despite if they are in the same class or not. And I think having 5 to custom our base stats is a good way to start. Do you want us to PM you our base stats?

I have no issue about the Item info. However, my question is about the Master Seal. Since promotion class is okay for the boardgame, I've seen no Master Seal in the item info. So is the Master Seal going to be in the item pick-up or the other?

I have no issue about the changes for the laguz skill. But sooner or later, we may need to add a Heron in it just in case someone decides to play as Heron.

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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:07 pm

The weapon triangle is a good idea.

Supports are complicated because:
A) Not everyone has an affinity. I think it was 6-10 that had an affinity system, but the others didn't have it.
B) Affinity bonuses are a little harder to decide what it'll boost, since we're not using critical hits/evasion in FEF boardgame and a lot of the boosts in-game go towards Crit/Crit Avoid/Avoid
C) Some characters are just easier to support with than others.

I think the custom base stats are a good idea. No two units are the same, so why do their bases have to be the same?

I'm also okay with the Laguz skill changes. Roar is just too OP.

Since the Laguz get a skill that acts as their promotion skill, shouldn't the other classes that can't promote get something too?

If we implement the Heron class, I think their skills should be similar to what Bard/Dancer get since that's basically their equivalent. Instead of Perform, they get Galdr.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:41 pm

In all fairness, we're trying to stick to canon, and how many people actually play a Heron who classes as an actual Heron?

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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:40 am

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In all fairness, we're trying to stick to canon, and how many people actually play a Heron who classes as an actual Heron?

While Rath wants character who are known in the canon RP, he did say that the game is non-canon. >>;

In addition, I did say "sooner or later" if someone decides to play as Heron. So far in canon, we only have one who RPed as Heron, but we also that person was "inactive" to play that character. >>;

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:45 am

In order:

→ I'm okay with the Second Seal result. Maybe Annis really CAN become a flying unit on a flying mount! :B

→ How exactly do innate skills work? Like, a specific skill a unit has that they get to keep even if they wouldn't gain it from leveling up? If that can be clarified for me, I'll give you a personal skill for Annis ASAP, Rath. [and if i figure that out on my own from reading the thread, Rath, I'll scratch this out]

→ I'd be okay with wind/bow weakness if I get flying movement and etc. Annis can still fly, whether or not she transforms.

→ Supports are too complicated for something as simplistic as this. The most I can see if you wanted to set up Bonds, pre-established relationships between characters that give a small boost to Avoid and Hit or to damage and defenses (+5, +1-3, whatever a small bonus in this game would actually amount to) when within 1-3 squares. Like Aruna and Ganon would have a Bond because they're dating, or Ganon and Annis might have a Bond because she saved his life, or Vika and Blossom would have a Bond if they happened to be in the same game together, etc. But actually developing supports would be complex.

→ Custom base stats would be a really nice way to help differentiate units with the same class and account for a character's innate strengths and weaknesses. Differentiation is good!

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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:26 pm

Well then, a resounding yes to custom base stats. In that case, go distribute your 5 points!

I realized that the atypical typing would also apply to Loch if Gale were to ever join a game with him. So, if both Mallow and Gale are okay with it, I'll make them both innate Flying units. Same goes for Aruna and Ganon being innately Dragon units.

I've updated just about everything in the Info Hub except characters. The class and skills post especially will be useful. I added a Unit Types section that differs slightly from typical Fire Emblem as well as added a master skill list, in case you need help choosing an innate skill. If you want a skill that's not on the mast list, I can still try to incorporate it, though.

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:28 pm

I'm cool with it.

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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:28 pm

Added (for the second time) Vika's base additions. Also, I'd like to revise her reclass options to Myrmidon and Thief, considering that her base stats would make it too hard to worm Mag in there effectively. Also, Shade for innate skill.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:17 am

Hey Rath, I have a question about the Dancer.

I know we had a discussion that Dancer should be in the middle-to-last turn order since being first will put them at disadvantage to use Perform.

However, since Leo changed his mind about having one of Rin's reclasses to Dancer, I like to know if Leo ever decides to reclass Rin as a dancer, does this mean that the turn order needs to be changed if an unit reclass to dancer/bard?

EDIT: Almost forgot, for the Leena's Card, is it similar to the Silver Card or Member Card, or both of the cards?

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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:04 am

Solution: An addition to the Perform skill that stipulates that anyone who possesses this skill is moved to the end of the turn order.

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:26 am

Shenanigan about Izzy and Shinon using the Gaurd/Provoke combo:

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"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Lol

JisenStar17: Shinon, just the person I also looking forward. 8D

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: "Shinon, the archer, d**k of all trades." i lol'd today and said "seems legit"

JisenStar17: If Izzy and Shinon are in the same space, it's going to be a win situation for Shinon while a lose situation for Izzy because of their innate skill. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Hey Isa
xDD why?

JisenStar17: Shinon has Provoke while Izzy has Gaurd.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: LOL

JisenStar17: Meaning that Izzy has to take whatever damage Shinon provoke the enemies. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Shinon would totally abuse that /snort

JisenStar17: I know. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Living up to his given title of d**k of all trades LOL

JisenStar17: Even though Shinon can handle himself with his def, I know he would do that on purpose. LOL XD
That's why it's a winning situation for Shinon while losing situation for Izzy.
Of course, ONLY if Izzy wants to gaurd him. >>;

"razevithebeautiful"goddessrazevi: What

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Lol

JisenStar17: Morning Gale.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: well considering no one will ever want to guad shinon LOL
*guard

JisenStar17: Well, it depends on the situation. If his health is low, then we may have to gaurd him. >>;

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15
I mean willingly

JisenStar17: Touche

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: If it isnt necessary then no one would LOL

JisenStar17: All I know is that I'm glad Guard isn't a Passive skill or else Shinon WOULD abuse it. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Lmao srsly

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: i can see it now, Isa trying to smack Shinon upside the head cause hes abusing it so much and is like "you may as well let me ride with you, LOL /troll"

JisenStar17: PHFT!!!

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: XDD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: I am amused xD

JisenStar17: Isadora: We're TRYING to avoid the battle. Not CAUSING a battle. D<

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Shinon: Look at it this way, babe: The sooner and quicker you kill them, the faster we get through this and everyone's happy in the end! So you should be THANKING ME that I'm drawing them all here. I thought the great, powerful Lady Knight would appreciate using her skills.
XD
Cue Isa smacking him xD

JisenStar17: Isadora: *slaps Shinon* You nearly had me killed from that. D<
Isadora: Not to mention, NOT everyone is a fighter.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Shinon: Well, that's not MY fault you can't take the heat! *smirk, not too phased by the slap*

JisenStar17: LOL
I can't decide whether we should do that or not. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Yeah, Shinon is definitely not gonna be earning points with anyone LOL
Shinon: And again, not MY fault that they're useless.
xD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: yeah, totally not earning points thar, Shinon.

JisenStar17: But at least Izzy will get EXP for defending Shinon's smartarse. LOL XD
Not to mention, Shinon gets protection too.
But still, Izzy is not happy about taking so many damage because of Shinon.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Hey if shes soaking up damage for him, he's free to back her up indefinately, he may be an a** and may be forcing her more or less to be a meat shield but hes not dumb enough to let her get killed and would at least back her up

JisenStar17: PHFT!!! Oh, NOW we're making her as meat shield despite that a Wyvern Rider has more Defense than her? LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Hes not a wyvern rider

JisenStar17: I mean Mihira. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15
XD

JisenStar17: I swear, I don't know if the Provoke/Gaurd combo is a good sign or bad sign. LOL XD
But we should get brownie points for making a comedy show of that.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Hes probably doing it cause she reminds him of Titania

JisenStar17: What? How? LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Because lets face it, he would totally abuse Titania in the same way LOL xD only Ti would chase him with her axe after the mission LOL
Totally LOL
Oh god i should make a fic of it LOL

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: the misadventures of Shinon and Isadora xD
153 ways to misuse Provoke xD

JisenStar17: PHFT!!!!
Oh God. LOL XD
I'm STILL thankful Guard is not a Passive skill.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: XD im just thinking up hillarious titles LOL
XDD

JisenStar17: True, but still. LOL XD
I would like to read that fic if it ever happens. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: You can request it LOL

JisenStar17: ........................ PHFT! Oh Gods. LOL XD
I bet after the tenth abuse, Izzy would try to find a way to avoid Shinon. LOL XD
That would be the support Izzy doesn't want.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: from here on out, we should have them sign onto boardgames together and Isa bitchmoans about her bad luck and Shinon's just "Ready to get hammered?" And eventually Isa just deals with it and is like "One of these days i'm gonna stick YOUR a** on his horse, give YOU a sword and let YOU deal with this s**t while I sit back here and draw them all in"

JisenStar17: Heck, I'm afraid to see what the A support be like for Izzy and Shinon. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15
LOL xD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15
This*

JisenSta17: PHFT!!!
Only it's too bad they can't reclass into each other's classes.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: They'd be the comedic red/green duo only theyre blue/red LOL

JisenStar17: PHFT!!!!

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: xD

JisenStar17: Well, consider Shinon is both red AND Green while Izzy is maroon and white. >>;

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: shinons reclasses i gave him for the lulz. Thief because of Sorens comment of "steal from the dead on your own time" and wyvern rider cause of his appearance on daeins side xD

JisenStar17: Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Izzy tells Rath to take Shinon with him. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: LOL xD
Oh god Rath and Shinon xD
glare wars and archery contest shenanigans ahoy

JisenStar17: PHFT!!!

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Bahaha xD
Hell itd be funny if Rath made Isa deal with Shinon xD

JisenStar17: It's too bad Shinon can't use Provoke with Vika because Vika's skill is Shade. And as we saw in Game 1, they both cancel each other. >>;
Probably AFTER on the first time with Shinon. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: I know, that sucks. XD but that may come in handy for me to have Shinon stalk Vika and cancel provoke cause to be honest im scared to death its gonna get him killed LOL

JisenStar17: Perhaps. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: hes not a dodge tank like in fe9 and thats probably why i gave him def like woah xD

JisenStar17: It would depend on the RNG.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: True xD

JisenStar17: If he's near Vika, he would. If not... I don't know what he will do.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: he'll get smacked xD
Hardcore

JisenStar17: Well, since the level C, I think we can handle well with team work and such.
And not the level S like where Rath and the others are.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: XD
True

JisenStar17: Man, if Shinon IS with Rath and the others, it would be more than an S rank level. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: but still, Shinon = not a team player and would die hardcore LOL

JisenStar17: We'll see. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Hes not stupid enough to wander too far but he wouldnt want to be directly involved with the rest of the group unless hes forced to be xD

"pointydemonspanker"mallowninja: wait, why does Shinon have Provoke?

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Because its his innate

JisenStar17: Or.... Something he would take advantage.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: from fe9
yeah Isa
like your guard /shot

"pointydemonspanker"mallowninja: if you aren't in range of enemies and they can't attack you, then he'll be fine.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: Thats what we are discussing

JisenStar17: Shinon and I were talking about the Provoke/Gaurd combo earlier.

"pointydemonspanker"mallowninja: *nod*

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: we're designating Isa as Shinons personal meat shield /SHOT
not really tho

JisenStar17: I told Shinon that it's a win situation for Shinon while lose situation for Izzy. LOL XD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: xD

"pointydemonspanker"mallowninja: you'll definitely wanna talk to Vika if you intend on shadowing him to cancel Provoke, though. :p

JisenStar17: And I'm glad Gaurd is not a passive skill or else Shinon will abuse it.

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: I was kidding about it
XD

"pointydemonspanker"mallowninja: ahhhh :p

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: yes Isa he would
Hahaha i really DO wonder what their supports would be like xD

"eliwoodxmerlinusheadcanonftw"ijuuinenzan15: It would be like ....Isa constantly cursing her luck and Shinon all "*trollolololol"

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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:55 am

This totally SHOULD happen. It would at least save everyone else from being Provoke-screwed and make for amusing commentary xDD

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